TranscriptUnion Church Committee Meeting ~ August 3, 2023

thank you all right we'll call the meeting to order thank you everybody for coming today yeah I appreciate it it's the second meeting of the Union Church committee it's August 3rd um we've had a forum it looks like everybody who's here except perhaps again

moment at the committee charge and do that for yourself that would be great could I add something to the agenda you may quickly um just about two minutes on I talked to MDOT and it take me about two minutes to tell you they haven't told me well okay sure let's put that uh right after the Kopp Brothers okay uh

okay has everybody had a chance to take a look at the minutes from July 18th move to accept okay is there a second that we put in number we can set this aside for a minute are you sure yeah I did I just a couple things I wasn't sure how [Music] the way it was worded is how it is

using a money [Music] instead of using it for further evaluation and assessments I didn't really remember that that was if that's in this the minutes does that mean that that we all said that and agreed to that or no that's just okay I remember that several of us okay okay that was on the one point on that

okay that's in yeah that's fine okay great what's been moved and seconded that the minutes are accepted so if everybody raise your hand did you agree the minutes so that it reflects what we think it's supposed to say well actually I Tia this is your this is your request um

the audition made to the minutes of key is request which read one suggestion to a sec coordinator to do review the procurement policy and what or how the proposal was accepted yeah I have the procurement policy here great

so when we get to that point I can pass it out or I can tell us out now nope let's pass it out when we get to it okay perfect and um thank you for including in the minutes um is everybody comfortable with that and then by request the one that's on here if I request Lois that one yep that is about the minutes okay I want to make sure that we don't have to go back and revoke the minutes yeah yeah no I didn't understand that that was with respect to the minute so let's see it's in the minutes okay so I just wanted to make sure that I'm I'm where Paula was I don't remember having the discussion that we could use the ten thousand dollars for evaluations and assessments I may have been out of the room at that time but I didn't understand that that money could be used for anything except with the town had voted it for the town voted for that money to go from um undesignated funds

I think that's what you were asking for but I think it ends up being voted in a more General way um so we have to go back and look at the town meeting we may I mean if you're if you're concerned about it I am concerned about it because I don't think that ten thousand dollars that the town residents voted for is a repair of the sales because that's what I was arguing for when I kept coming up to the mic what should be used for an evaluation and assessment I do disagree with it I think that's what you were saying well yeah but and I I'm not really even sure I mean that you would we would have to pay anybody to ask for I mean they cut whenever you ask for a you know a builder to come and make an assessment pay for that so maybe it's a mute point but I was wondering you know we did

discuss it and that's that's what's reflected in the minutes um I remember discussing it myself last week at all so I think what I would recommend you do is is see if you can get a transcript or or the result of that vote from the town meeting okay and see what it says and we'll do that right now I'll bring it next time yeah bring it next time yeah but I think the minutes are accurate in reflecting the fact that we didn't discuss that yeah that we could use the ten thousand dollars for something else um I remember being taught but I don't know how it came up even yeah I don't remember I remember it was the subject of discussion

in a that's why I was surprised that it was yeah and it wasn't a decision it was just a discussion and at the end of the day it doesn't matter just in general we don't have the authority to spend anyway right I mean we have to go to the select them and it's under 10 000 and the town if it's over 10 000 right right and if we I mean if we I think if what Jerry was saying is that if we have some intended use for

that in a in a kind of in this budget cycle environment thing but when I'm taking notes one should I just include names of whoever said things it's necessary feel like when things are discussed I should make note of them even if they haven't gone to an official vote because it seems like

so I'm a little confused I think I think you could include the items that we discuss but I think if it's if it's something we vote on I think we should make that very clear yeah is that if we take action yeah I guess I the other one of the bullet points in the minutes

serious structural issues or collapse in four to five years per the Northeast house rights and I hadn't read that prior to leaving here but it doesn't say that so that information is it either is that well I don't know but it didn't say it on the report so where does that come from that four to five years of the building

what he said was that the rear part of the building he wasn't going to collapse today or tomorrow but then it might it doesn't have a life beyond for four or five years little more clear it's the northeast corner not the whole I don't know I mean I didn't say northeast Northeast house rights oh but I don't know which I mean the main preservation yeah you know 10 to 20. this will for 15. and redone in 2017 and he says in 10 20 years you can have serious issues I guess four to five years of could you make the minutes more specific and say that Lois recall um but who was it great Northeast house rights Jerry was there I mean I'm just saying that Jerry was also and Calvin were also there but it's your recollection yes

I'm thinking it's not on the estimate I read I handed to my husband asked him to read it yeah I did not and I hadn't read the estimate yeah that's great thank you thank you discussed will make a motion and accept the minutes as amended great with somebody terrific any discussion any further discussion okay everybody who approvals of the minutes please raise your hand can I just run the copy of everything uh I just wrote lowest or calls from the meeting with Northeast Health rights that the church is likely to have serious structural issues or have a side collapse in four to five years

approval of the minutes great please raise your hand in hand do not approve of the minutes items and I I talked with Lois and Tyler a little bit about um you know using the procedure the rules and procedure and stuff in it what we're doing didn't seem to me to fit into the structure of old business and new business so uh I took upon myself to kind of put things down as action items this thing that seems that we're going to discuss and perhaps

old business action on that well okay somehow I mean we're having Tia give us a presentation that's the action okay it doesn't mean we have to vote on it all right so I've made a little um wrote up a little something for everybody so I'm not going to breed it word for word you guys can all take it home yeah

um and then I'll pass out the timeline too Emily was awesome and put a timeline together and I helped her insert a few things here and there we forgot to write the foundation work that was done in 2019 so I hand wrote that on the back um so the timeline itself is um will really show you how much work has been done on the church over the years that the town has approved and that the historical society as a private entity has raised money to have the church fixed I'd say more times than not

um I also found an old article about the foundation going out to dig for repairs back in 1959 so the very first time those cinder blocks were put in would have been either 1959 or 1960. so um that is when the original blocks would have been removed from the back um the granite blocks is that when they were pushed down the hill as well I would assume so I would think so because they I don't think they are up the top I think they were closer to the top and then when the fill was brought in in 2019 they probably got pushed down further because I feel like they were closer to the church which would make sense because that back had been washing away for a while there was a couple laying kind of on the edge on the other side well no on the side where there was a whole I thought there

pictures from the report too that he did um but there's there was Article upon article about how the building was near collapse and the sill needed to be replaced all the way back to like 1940. okay and the still has yet to be fixed and the rear corner of the building is still collapsing so here we are almost 75 years later and it still has been fixed but anyway so the timeline will go through right from day one right up to when the church is bought by the town I found all kinds of articles about how townspeople donated their own money so that it can become a town hall I thought that was kind of neat all the renovations that took place inside of it um are those I mentioned Granite blocks

it appears they're down below like if you look down in the brush there's Granite blocks back there so the chances of them being back there most of them are probably good unless over the years they were taken away like the one that went missing at the Methodist Church so Granite is highly sought after so it's very possible that from 1959 till now some of them have walked but but this is a pretty good timeline of everything that has ever been done to the church from day one and then for the history I did a little history about how um when the church was built back in 1835 and I'm not going to like read it to you guys because you guys can read it yourselves but um I don't know if you guys are aware that there's a Revere Bell that sits at the top of the church made by Paul Revere's son um there's also the church and you can see it in the picture down here in the front the doors that we enter now are the original doors

that were the male and female doors that were off to the side um and the windows that are on the front of the church are not original to 1835 but all of the windows on the side of the back are all 12 over 12 original Windows which are all in pretty good shape surprisingly for how old they are so 1835 windows bell tower has been repaired many times over the years and then the Historical Society had a big fundraiser where they they hold Bell for them

the bell I think for the first time I think I have it listed in the timeline they had a robe installed so the Bell to be the first time it's in here it's in the timeline um but before that the Bell hadn't been rung probably for 100 years so yeah it's pretty neat um the church also features um in our lovely one whole Outhouse um they're I believe we're one of the only churches in the state of Maine that has an indoor one-hole Outhouse according to the androsconic history book it was noted in there so it was noted in there um yeah and then the original Queen Anne style stained glass window that's in the lovely one-holar bathroom still is in existence today too which is kind of neat pictures oh yeah it's not using that though every once in a while you still get a walk to sewer if you don't know why but you do um something else neat to note about the history of the church the stairs that are with inside of the church now those

that's not the original placement of the stairs the stairs would have been at the front of the church when you walk in in the civil defense office which sits off to the right so the stairs would have went straight up and there used to be two wood stoves that sat at the back of the church and there was a brick sort of Hearth that went around with seating so the men could sit around and get warm I thought that was kind of interesting to read church has been struck by lightning twice there was also a chandelier that fell from the ceiling during a church service and nearly burned a woman to death it's noted in an article by I believe his name was Robert strout and he talks about a very skinny man standing at the back left window helping people jump out of the church as it was on fire and the woman that had chandelier frog she was a hefty Ross if they basically went out the window together and they rolled down the

hill together the embankment so uh down off the back yep so they rolled down the hill together that would have been uh Church would have still been in service I think the last service was held in like 1870 something I have that in here too 1878 I think was the very last time the church service was ever held so it would have been

there yeah but there's a whole article I Emily found it I'd be glad to send it to everybody I haven't digitalized but it's about it's written by I believe his name is Robert strout who lived in Candy's house which has also been struck by lightning down into the basement which is quite interesting but he goes on and talks all about the church and there's an old picture of how the pews were set up and you can you can see the old stove pipe that runs down the front so it's pretty deep yeah absolutely it's a really neat read and it talks about the man and the woman who rolled out over the hill and how somebody nearly burned to death by the chandelier uh not bad at all but apparently the floor that's there now is not original but the floor underneath it still has burn marks from where the chandelier fell so it was covered over when the town hall was bought in 19 yeah um it's also been featured in two books

the church actually it's probably been featured in more but they really specify the church in the the Revere valve which is the do we have a coffee book I would love to get a copy of it's 110 on eBay but it actually features like members of her Town young girls like voting for the first time and and there's some really neat pictures within the book but it's apparently a very rare book and pretty expensive but if you have a coffee on eBay if anything if it's written by John Gould it's probably hysterical I'm I'm sure it is very funny yeah

um you know we that church has seen religious Services funerals baptisms weddings choir performances by Anna Louise Carey I mean she was the most famous opera singer to come out of her um the Historical Society has been holding events in that church since 88-ish give or take um quilt exhibits art shows bake sales open houses historical talks and then prior to that

that's where people would go and vote so the Historical Society actually had to have the floor refinished at one point because it had left the voting booth had left divots in the floor from sitting there for so many years

there are six original pews those were all restored um think it was in the 80s we were all restored it's all written in this timeline and it could be listed in this as well who restored the pews they were originally stained and then the Historical Society decided on a lovely color for the inside of the church to make them think of like a coastal breeze so that is why the church is now a coastal Breeze color and the pews were then painted there's also three other pews I can only really figure out which one is one of them but three of them came from the solid rock Grange which is over by the Quaker Meeting House Church it's the Robert Small agency so it sits right across the street so inside of that were three pews that originally came from the Quaker Meeting House and we have three of those over there so those were donated when the when it was sold to the insurance company which is kind of one of them is extremely obvious

the other two it's kind of hard to determine because they look so much like the the other church shoes that are in there and then it has different arms they sure do yeah it's a little bit narrower and kind of sits up straighter than the other ones um and then on the back I just did a little bit of um stuff that the Historical Society has done over the years and how it was voted in due to article 91 in April of 1988 for the Historical Society to be housed within the church and I think most of you have been in there but we are getting ready to have an open house and it's it's just full of really cool stuff the other day we found a book and 1974 that yep 1774 and it was town

meeting minutes when the town was still broke yeah so it's extremely old we hope to have that featured in a glass box for the open um it was just sitting in a box but we've done so much work and Lee Tyler have made a beautiful website I made a little a few little articles in there about you know speakers and whatnot that have happened at the church so the church has technically been a museum since the Historical Society took it over all of the items that are in there well not all a big majority were stored at May Parker's house for a really long time and then when they got the inside permission to be in there they moved all the artifacts over to the church turned it into a museum and it's been a museum ever since so almost 30 years now it's been operating as a so it does it it does warrant the question of why is now the town wondering what the church can be used for when for the past 30 years it's been the same

so you can see why we're like oh strange question to ask um I think there was a time when members of the Town thought it was used for storage so it's never really been stored it was there was a small portion of time when there were very few members that kind of got turned upside down but not anymore it looks amazing so feel free to read this over anytime you want I don't I'm not much for reading word for word to people we can all read so and the timeline is really informative it really goes to show how much work and dedication has gone into keeping that building standing for nearly 200 years so [Music]

it was yeah it was crazy I thought we were just getting a little blurbed about the church Museum a legal that how does somebody how's the building become a museum well I mean I don't know but it's been one since they moved in there so they would have what's your description of it yeah they don't think it's any kind of believe no it's the building inside

which typically most historical societies are museums that you can go and see so Historical Society Museum it's all in sort of the same classification term so if you drive through town and you see like I'm thinking gray the gray historical society it's a it's a building you go in it's a museum you can do research genealogy Deeds all of that stuff so there's no legal or tax benefit to calling it a museum or anything like that that I I have no idea I'm not sure yeah our ordinance calls the museums and libraries cultural facilities it's my that's my place our ordinance calls museums and libraries and things cultural facilities um I don't know they'll have to use soreness yeah educational purposes that type of thing

yeah but yeah so it's been open to the public now since 1988. they've been having open houses there ever since it's been a few hot years since we've had an open house but we're super excited to have one next one I think it's important to say also that we've gotten a lot of feedback from people that now because it started to be posted on Facebook or people have just come by when we've been there and they've seen the door open and they've stopped and come in and people are a lot of people that have stopped and the people on Facebook seem to be really interested in having that continue yeah so um I think when we consider what our options are that's going to be important for us to consider what the not what necessarily this group of a few people would like what the bigger Community would like and I I am not someone who believes in putting out holes all the time on yes or no do you want this do you want that but I

think we need to read the community and understand that at least of duromine and enjoy thinking that we might have call it what you want a cultural center or a museum but um are going to look forward to having that as a place that they can use and their children can come and visit and schools can go see schools I've held many Girl Scout things over there showing the Girl Scouts let them try on hats things like that um the um

it's all yeah so you can remember what it was yeah yeah I mean it it's one of those things where the use of the church has been that for the past 30 years so it's hard for me to understand why it's being questioned on what the news will be now with all the support that's happened over the past almost 200 years of the church

something that has to selection yeah they gave us this charge to look at it yeah and it is it is interesting too um I did find emails that date back I can't remember off the top of my head I think 2018 uh where we had contractors coming to look at the church I had spoke with Kevin Edo and he basically just went and asked it and then all of a sudden the committee was going to be formed we met with the newspapers crickets more crickets more crickets well in the bin and the pandemic but this is not the first time like there's been a kabosh it's been put on the back burner put on the back burner so the more things get put on the back burner I mean things have been put on the back burner the foundation's been put on the back burner for a really long time so yeah well I think that's I think our

charge is an indication that somebody at least wants to do an issue maybe the new select board is yeah I have no clue what or whether they are anticipating any particular outcome I had no idea to be formed it was going to be a building committee to help basically get bids I've got the whole email from the select board stating that and uh but I was told that we couldn't do that until a committee was formed and that it was going to go on the agenda I think it went on the agenda but it is yeah so it's definitely been we've been trying to do it now for about five years the other thing I think it's important and and I feel like maybe I carry misinformation is that that Foundation the cement locks were done way before I thought they were done my understanding from conversations and stuff is that they had been done in the last decade or less it came down to the eighteen thousand dollars that was paid in

2019 and the Assumption in that when I came in and asked to see what it was was that that had been Foundation One but now I'm understanding with what you've given us that it was way before that it might have been before I don't remember now what the year was but it might have been before 2000 when that was done and so I stand corrected and anything that I said that I was carrying a second or third hand I shouldn't have repeated probably unless it was documented so the foundation where I think we were looking to have done was to have that Foundation fixed back in 2019 but it looks all that happened was some mortar was slapped on that floor do we know I mean there must be somewhere where we we should be able to find out what was what happened and if if there was foundation work it should have been approved by the code yeah so that's that's where that's a great document comes in the college officer needs to come and tell us what

happened in 2019. I gave them back to why does it matter aren't we really focused on what we're going to do going forward yes but I mean I wouldn't be careful because last meeting we threw out Mike cop's name and no nobody said anybody right nobody said that name in the meeting it was never said yep but it wasn't here so it was it was him that did the work but we don't know what he did correct okay and I think we have to be careful we don't go on assumptions that aren't true yeah but I think I have been figuring out what was done what bids were submitted who approved of the work um after many reports have been done on what needed to be done to the church to basically save it um I think is important I don't I I don't know if I agree I think we're looking forward I think the only reason why I think it's important is I feel like I think the money that went towards it may have not been used to the pulitzic status why does that

matter and we brought that to the town manager's attention I think it's that the town manager if if the town was didn't get its money's worth that's up to here it works right not us 100 so you're saying it's not our committees that we need to take much better said than I did thank you to this town yeah I'm just thinking now moving forward the money that we have to put into the church could have been less had it been done correctly I'm just going to say again I know so

this is a Bible uh legally it has to be okay these this is I am a procurement officer that is my job if I do not follow this at my job and we get audited I can be sued personally and the company could be sued so if this policy is not followed and the town is audited and they come back and see that an RFP wasn't done that it did not go out to bid it wasn't posted publicly um they could get in trouble all of that documentation needs to be kept so when they're audited they can show proof of it I deal with this on a daily basis so this is why this here is so extremely important that it is done correctly so another not necessarily to us it's not a it's not our Charter yeah to it's up to the town and then you're pointing 100 right so in a different capacity than this committee I have asked to be on the agenda for the select board meeting eight which is which is next Tuesday to talk about the process for an RFP

because the commission of which I chair um we were the people who asked for the ten thousand dollars when we were a town meeting and had off the exchanges so it comes back to when is that money going to go out to an R when is the RFP going to be developed so that we can start a process if indeed that's what the select board decides to do with the money that the residents vote in I don't know but an RFP I don't know the legal pieces that Tia

does I just know that I believe there are supposed to be three a minimum three bids if you can get them yep yep so yeah but I think exactly I mean it's not our business right it's a different capacity I'm just sharing that yeah yeah and man I was going to say that I think it'll depend somewhat on exactly what the town will report yes agree so I'll be doing some scrambling on Monday I guess because the meeting's Tuesday yeah

Focus we're not going to spend we're not going to mature anything so we're just going to suggest possibilities for ideas and attach some cost to them for some estimates to that I think as a committee it's important for us to make sure that they're following

here anymore but as taxpayers you would hope that they are following these procedures correctly that when work does get done on the church I know we have no say in it but I think as taxpayers we have the right to make sure that the work is being as individual 100 no but everybody here

except for myself so what I was going to say was the historical society has not changed their Charter or whatever they want to do with the money that's going to but it's put in a separate funding of the town's money okay my point is we're not going to spending money but whatever you guys were going to do you can still do outside of this committee correct we can't change anything that you your vision was going to do and nor do we want to or we want to yeah but I think what we said was that the 20

last week we aren't making that decision no but I mean that was that that was discussed so that was it from a financial perspective that would be my recommendation that didn't spend anybody on temporary fix with the sill without doing the foundation we'd be in the town I mean it's not up to Historical Society is going to make this decision not us so that's kind of to me that's the bare minimum of what I've got out of this so far you don't want to spend the money you've got my opinion because it's not the right stand without doing the foundation and I don't know exactly how much the whole thing is going to cost that's a bare minimum of what needs to be done well if the Historical Society has access to that 10 grand we don't we have no access to that that's select board no I think it's like in the cemetery fund or some of the other foreign

how to use that could you make in September if you want to have it spent during this this is a better coming from the historic district Commission commissions because the society is but the society has never been able to request anything I mean not since 2000 it wasn't who were you

representing when you were commissioned okay to destroy a district commission budget because we have but in November when I submitted the budget there was a page that said in addition to the money that we're asking for for our committee we're also asking for ten thousand dollars for repairs to the Union Church which

had been traditionally granted up until I don't know when yeah you guys have mentioned that 2019 or something like that and we had 66 000 in the account but now it was 321 Historical Society prior to the historic district commission being active in 2014 prior to that then the Historical Society every year town meeting would ask for money so that's where and then it was so if you don't mind if I finish

Commission in that conversation back and forth that we were having at the town meeting I do have a question if I made about what Neil just said are we I don't see where we're charged with getting estimates I thought that was the RFP process that the select board our marriage doesn't say anything about money

this commission or this committee rather a list of potential outcomes attached to some kind of Swag about what it's going to cost I don't think we need to get formal estimates I don't think we need to get proposals or bids or any of that kind of stuff but I think for the Selectmen to make an informed decision I think they need to know the options and they need to know kind of where in the world of hundreds or millions of dollars is a bull that's my question for the entire process of are you to bring the

Union Church active code is that what you're talking about like so that we would have a ramp so that we would have an electrical box that's I think that's Plumbing that's up to code I think that's one of the options that's one of the that's one of those outcomes that list I mean okay we may have another outcome to tear it down but we have another outcome to sell it

saying I my thought about our product is that it should be a pretty comprehensive list of all okay but all the options and using our imagination attaching some kind of uh you know wild guess Swag yeah about what the cost or or the benefit to the town we sell that property to somebody who wants it to put up a little hot dog stand yeah I think you'd have to go to a town vote and the people of the town since their taxpayers when they posted the commission that all comes to the commission yes it's in the historic district yeah of course I don't think I don't see it ever being be able to be sold but you know what that's an option that's a potential option and it's up to the time again it's up to the 10 to say we want to sell it we want to tear it down we want to give it to the sell it for buck to the society and whatever it may be

give me I'm unsure about what the uh purview of the commissions sure so the commission oversees along with the codes officer and somewhat the select board oversees the building processes in the historic district which runs basically from four or five houses down on the road to Lisbon Falls which I can never remember the names of the rooms so I'm just going to describe okay yes I was there's another name for it though yeah and then up to the corner about where the um Bandstand is and across to the Congregational Church and then both sides of the road Ferry Road which goes down to the right of the Bandstand yep and Route 130 is included yeah that whole section from the river um I'd like to be able to show you on one of these Maps but I don't think I can but um and then up past the pen on this one okay okay Historical Society building up and starting down the other side of the hill so oh okay okay

and and what what happens there is if there's any not interior but exterior changes to buildings fences Editions choose the paint colors that's how some of them come in on a different colors but anything like that there are standards within the ordinances that are laid out like roof pension and it's everything presently it's everything within 1500 feet

uh any build in your town that we have to know about and the codes officer needs to review any building that's on the historic registry oh okay so there are five and then there are five that would qualify so it's a it's a little confusing right now that's where we're working on right so the commission is how is the commission's interest in something triggered though building permit somebody yes it should be there's there have been some times when we've not aligned very well and we didn't know that there were changes being made like buildings being added for barrages being converted or whatever and

so we've in the past there have been some pretty big misses but now I think the codes officer that we have presently is it but he is in tune to what his responsibility is in letting us know I believe but I mean I live next to the Methodist Church I put on vinyl siding because I didn't

two decades ago because I didn't know that I couldn't because nobody in town told me that I couldn't so those sorts of Misses I shouldn't have been allowed to do that and you know there are other changes to houses that are adjacent to or within 1500 feet

of um one of the National Registry villains yeah so it's sort of like understanding the museum there have been some misses in the past and I think what everybody's trying to do this committee the commission the Historical Society I think Jerry the codes officer Alan I think everybody's trying to come together so that we're all working and know what the other group is doing yeah so it's not like yeah I'm sure

it's great and hopefully this committee will do the same thank you that's very helpful or that fit into a big scheme of things believe me when I started on the commission neither did I it's only after I've read the ordinances 400 times language is so easy to understand kind of simplify does anybody have any questions or comments from Tia on her presentations good job yeah thank you so much that was that was terrific and above and beyond yeah thank

you Emily thank you move on to the report of the meeting with the cop Brothers Lois was kind enough to give us a written report does anybody else who's there want to expand on that I I think I'm sharing this correctly if I say that pretty much Mr

his pickup truck pretty much was like you know yeah the bottom line was that we in order to replace the foundation I picked up one of the one of the options would be to pick it up yeah right yeah I think there's two parts to pick it up rebuild the sill at 50 000 rebuild the foundation 50 000. so

pick it up rebuild the founder give you a lead in place put it back down on a New Foundation it was a hundred thousand yeah he thought he was sick he was saying that the president concrete is like astronomical right now I don't know what it was 140 a square foot I don't know what it was but it was some huge amount so he was saying this is a ballpark I'm not old I'm not you can't hold me to this I'm saying fifty thousand dollars could be more could be less so yeah so that was

your point earlier was if if one of the suggestions going forward is to leave it in place but fix the sill fix the foundation Town you're looking at a hundred thousand dollars yeah total that's useful that's so kind of useful information exactly you've got to come up with seventy thousand whatever the difference is between what's already been uh approval kind of deal so that would help the town make a decision and then we want to spend another seventy thousand dollars on it see what they're still does it have like the corner from the top that's all noted right so but you do have to I mean you have to start with the foundation because there isn't any point fixing the other part because when you change the foundation it's all going to move so I mean that it has to start at the bottom yeah that's true if it included the corner or not so another there's a huge rotted corner at the top where the animals are coming in

no no I know that I just wasn't sure if it was included in that price so Emily and I because here's another crossover so Emily and I are working on the western Methodist Church and so is the person from Northeast house rights so he had as I gave you last time he had given an estimate of 50 179.47

for the work that he described on there he was that was to do all the silver but when we were chatting when we were doing Windows um he said once the town knows what it is that they want done because everybody's shooting in the dark here I mean Mr thought was and and Craig was they don't know it wasn't Apples to Apples it was bananas to tangerines so

um so Craig said he would be able to bring the price down if if it's a different the estimate that he prepared not knowing what it was that the town wanted I mean I think yeah sure and I'm sure that's the way Mr coff is feeling too we're and it's all got a healthy dose of unknown because you pick something up like that you find other things yeah yeah I think he said 40 to 45 and I threw out 50. yeah just you know 10 at least at this point has a good estimate for it but I think that I think Lois or New York somebody mentioned that that hundred thousand if you lift it put a new foundation on it doesn't include holes right wherever that hole maybe so there's additional work that's going to need to be done that we do need to get a ballpark on because we don't want to add we don't wanna say well just leave it in place and it's going to cost you a hundred thousand yeah but not really because it's another

20 000 to fix I don't think it's got relatively new but anyway there's other things that need to be done does it need to be brought up to Ada standards that you know I don't know I have no idea but we probably ought to get a good Swag like we got uh that day to say okay here's if you're going to make this usable you know rules is what it's going to cost you to Ball Park swag is 120 000. well I mean

it was an estimate yes it was from a hundred thousand dollars to get it to bring it up up to what it should be and that was five years ago maybe more yeah so I mean we know what the prices we know what's happening yeah I think that even was fixing fixing one or two I still have the the show Northeast house rights that see that's where it's not Apples to Apples Northeast house Ridge was talking about fix

of the sill because it's not rotten so it really was I mean yeah until yeah it's a big question mark until we know what right right needs to be and if you're going to be comparing yeah right what we need to know is have a good reasonable Slumber if in a hundred thousand we need to go to somebody else get more but right now we have what I think is a reasonable Gaslight I'd appreciate your term there to do two things right raise it to fix the sale put a new foundation in but if there's other things that need to be done we need to get it well we don't need to say well Northeast versus cop versus

we think we need that level of visitors yeah we just need to say hey Tom this is this is what we think it's going to cost to make this building usable where it sits today start to decide what what outcome they prefer then they can dive into specifics

more bids so right now one of the options could have been removed the building but we now have heard that that's not an option so do we say the town here was an idea but it clearly is not I think that I think that tells them what our process that would be the first one yeah option would be move the building but it can't be done

you know they're not flagged by guys but I think they they started up a net we don't want to do that but because so you shouldn't because what the answer might be the time can't move it intact I mean I mean you can't yeah I think that's all yeah I think that's kind of what they're what they're about and I mean they they do have a good reputation so we just don't want some other person to come along and say oh yeah I can do that and then you know it ends up in pieces along the road but because they have a great reputation I mean the town would be without power but God only knows how long I mean the school that happens all the time anyway it doesn't matter yeah there are 18 sets of wires that go back and forth between Center in the Union Church so they kept it used to be that it was much easier before it was I guess before it was all that fiber stuff but now Mr crop said basically hundreds of thousands of

dollars to Move It from the top of the hill to that's just some holes that's not even moving the church that's just yeah CMP yeah oh yes so it's it's very aggressive yeah now people have disassembled buildings before put them back together and that's probably you know you're not paying it CMP but there is is also not cheap and you know if we want to go further into that we can but I think there was a summary was was well written what happened

okay great thank you and thank you for putting together the uh sure I do that just for myself to the selection so um I called MDOT middle last week safety officer who was a nice guy and what he he looked on his uh State GIS system and said okay I see where it is his only comment if you will specific comment was you can't have a big wide entrance so you'd have to narrow it down but I don't think we need to focus on you can't just kind of pull in off of 136 you'd have to have an entrance one if you will and control so but he's the short answer is he needed to talk to the traffic engineer and then he was going to go look he'd be the safety guy was going to go look at it I said would you like companies said no yeah yeah so he's gonna go he'll give us a report and say Here's the right-of-way with our right-of-way line ends can't park inside that on the roadside of that he'll give us here's what you

traffic engineer was out on vacation last week and I just thought we might give him another week and I'll report back to you as soon as I see contemplating like some kind of barriers or something well I was he said you have to do something control access to one point so I don't you know what that would be if you take some of those Granite blocks and yeah and up on the bottom of the hill or whatever but he doesn't want as I almost killed Neil the other day somebody like that kind of you know somebody's backing out on the 130 it has to be a controlled High interest to that thing and they do that it's just a driveway I mean there kind of is if you look at it there's gravel and then there's like a little pave there's a bit of a paid driveway nobody ever follows it because they just drive off the road but I mean

well here what he'll do what I hope he'll do is he'll sit and say okay you've gotta it has all the time with a plan commission you got to have a life you have to have a line of sight at this distance and a safety disc so you got a hill over here so you're gonna be so many feet away from that hill and that's where the interest is off I would hope he'd even sketch it up or say you know this is got to be in roughly this location we may have he said just look at that vegetation so it's really you know I don't want to get into a lot of detail because I don't know what he's going to come back he didn't really want to have a great discussion on DJ throwing these kinds of things out so do you think I asked him to excellent thank you I mean so yes would they do it or would this be something we wouldn't be required in terms of creating the entrance barriers I would assume that I don't think they would do it

um if you were having something there you could just have you know poems and Cones here and there's a place you drive in there you might I would my guess is what again just purely to guess isn't going to want something more permanent to control that access if that makes sense because the cones will come will go away leave us at like a work Saturday or something like that the cones aren't always there always there yeah but if you look at the Eureka down here they don't have a fixed one but we haven't talked to them

know the answers well it is a piece of it I mean you're talking to the safety of December it may or may not I guess because I tend to do that but the line of sight at Eureka is different than the line of sight at the time yes it's a different separate situation yeah and so yeah I can't remember if there's a driveway across sometimes they try to line driveways and this is not a subdivision or it's whatever so that's why I just recommend we just wait and see but I just wanted to let you know I'll let you all know that he is at the reached out to him and so on and so forth to us the ball he's and hopefully he's running with it he's not wanting one but I will call him Monday if I if I'd agree respond where he is thank you any other questions or comments

procurement policy um and what are how the proposal is accepted in 2018 I think we've kind of already talked about that yeah yeah Church and my thought about this item was that if if you are prepared to copy I think we just let people throw out ideas I think it would be best if people do it one at a time just so thing [Music] yeah brainstorm ideas I don't think it's necessary I just think you know we're polite

do since I know this group is full of a lot of people who have some strong opinions some problems with things my vote would be we reserve judgment on whether something's impossible or not for a later date so if we say we want to cast the building in Gold I'm going to write it down and we will not discuss it okay

with hopefully all the potential uh okay I'll throw out the first one the town keeps it as a town Museum Historical Museum the town keeps it as a Historical Museum undoing the uh the historical societies kind of Historical Society this financial burden would stay with the town yes so that I think that item is the town continues to own the building in the Historical Society continues to run it as present s so basically nothing changes to the end of the day it's exactly the same as it is right now yeah is that your intention um yeah

part becomes that thus the town would have to have a committee or [Music] are just juices thank you is that the town picks up the building and bring it up to code and allow the museum the Historical Society to maintain the museum in the building correct that's another option that's the same thing is that what I said yes I don't know if that's what you said or not I didn't think you were saying money and I'm saying that there would have to it would be brought up to code by the town that's where Emily stopped me when I asked yeah I feel like her usage that is the same use

no right your options is certainly an option options do not keep everything away well I do want to fix the building we're not talking about what we want we're just tossing out oh you I guess I didn't say that just Lewis's go with Lois's which I thought yours I'm a little confused

up with possible okay and we can talk about what numbers are associated with those later which means but yes without being judgmental it seems like ownership is a piece of that no one owns the building because it could be that someone else owns the building other than the town yep I mean when I was thinking about this there are a bunch of options for who actually ends up going yeah so that's mine is the town owns the building the Historical Society continues [Music]

but it's an option yeah so let's make the second option Town owns it the town fixes it a historical society continues that's not a change know we're getting down to like nitpicking but I feel like the the like or per like the in our committee charge we have long time uses for the property and how the town will benefit and our second charge is what restoration is required and I feel like we're commingling restoration with you and I feel like they should be separate right now but that's my

I think I think that's part of it um in my my vision anyway this is just me but I think um that's certainly part of it but I think I'm thinking about outcomes and one of the outcomes is the town sells it to somebody who wants to make the score yes and I would say that that has that is purely about use to me has nothing to do with the restoration which is to fix it part like I don't think two separate options should be Town owns at Town fixes it Town owns it Town doesn't fix it and so on and so Tom fixes it and then sells it Town doesn't fix it then sells it because

need to get there because I do think they're you know at this stage it's not too detailed to say Todd owns a status quo the town and the town doesn't fix it the town doesn't do anything nobody does anything to it a very minor or the town owns it and the town maintains it long term those are two to me using jobs and I get it's still the museum but at some point we very quickly need to get to that other piece but that's kind of my thought

here so but just to throw out if it wasn't an historic we could say well we were from the Historical Society out and we'll turn it into a town library absolutely so then is it a decision you know the sexual separate what town library or a private Library yeah I guess that's absolutely that's absolutely I'm good with however you want to want to do it yeah I always like to keep Tyler happy because if I don't I know and I I really don't want a million

just going to say it so the town sells it to the Historical Society for a dollar but the money that is already allotted for the use of the building gets put into an account that the Historical Society has access to use to fix the building with and only fix the building I think that's that's two different things I think the welcome downstairs at the Historical as the down the town essentially gives it to that story yeah and then we could talk about the finance

money or it gives it to us with money set aside for us to use at our own discretion rewrite grants we do the fundraising because in all reality the Historical Society shouldn't be writing grants for the town for a fundraising so it would have to be historical societies right

doing grants now for a few years for West Durham some of them do have a municipality piece too so I was surprised to see that it's not always that it goes to a private like Friends of the western Methodist Church and some of them if the town owns it the town can apply for money for a historic photographer I don't know whatever for a school library whatever the grants are for

shortly and say yeah I'm not making that up I don't even know anymore previously in government say was to use that space I know that it was at the time assuming that the building could be moved but perhaps that's still an option for them I think that's certainly an option that we ought to

by the way don't brainstorming yes we're not saying we're just trying to come up with all the possible without any details on who you saw it too that's an option there's a yep sell it absolutely I I would say moved it and thinking about the the uh the river park there this we would really explore that whether that makes sense or not or take it take it down to pieces to me that place is a it's a bad bad location for any kind of serious public use I think it's a woman whatever I mean if it's going to stay like a a little you know once a month something happens here maybe not a big deal but you really want to expand the vision of what you're going to do with that building

certainly an option somebody hasn't been caught yeah well he's he's a guy I think who picks things up with most of them there's people who disassemble things idea get that but that's what we're thinking about and if you use it for the government it's a whole lot cheaper than Building New Town Hall I mean just moving it at a couple hundred thousand and putting bathrooms in and making it into a meeting room or something like that is not can that lead Eureka for you know something else but that's not okay I'm sorry

whichever order you there's two different options after you sell it you have no really anything only sell the building you can't do that really yeah I mean you could sell the building to someone to remove from there yes that's what I'm saying oh okay move it so and have them move it like and then the town is left with that block that's certainly an option or if anybody wants to buy

government but put it on a private put if there were a lot if they were a lot close enough that you didn't have to go through 18 sets of wires and it didn't cost two hundred thousand dollars move the building well that's what it ends up playing the other direction drops probably 15 wires give or take yeah but I mean if you disassemble it you don't have to move it well that's yeah people do that all the time is that correct question I don't even

know fill in some of the Hill expand the spacing massively for parking turn into a recreational center buy the lot next to it clear all the trees so you have line of sight in all directions and Love It Go Crazy issues so there is already an owner behind the building so it would mean buying the property toward the river if that overworked because

a little rectangle here so you've got to buy it it means buying them not necessarily the end of the world but that's your reputation yeah that's your possibility oh kayaking cops idea so lift it put a whole Foundation underneath it so that you have kind of a kitchen under there you can it would be huge in a furnace and then you'd have a hole underneath that could be used like the Eureka the Museum's at the top but then you have place for like archival stuff but you have a huge room down there they have potties in your basement yeah but like a nice finished area you could rank up the basement favorite of the original so hers was an expansion

are we gonna sift through these ideas okay because we're not going to send all these to the selections okay good job done after tonight [Music] prioritize something like a suggestion yeah because if we were going to turn them into town offices then I would think it would be with us to have some contractor come in and save this business exactly yeah we a lot cheaper to putting cubicles like they do for the screen portable build new building so it's always cheaper to build a new building

organizations methodists they just well they did it but they couldn't that if you can get seed money as a grant to prove that you're actually going to do something who's going to sell it to you for a dollar they didn't offer it to anything that I'm aware of but they have for that select part of that select board is gone but at the town meeting they had when I had asked if they would just willy-nilly sell that building that I was assured that

the last item and then the last item at the select a town meeting is that the select board is given the right to sell a new account profits yeah yeah for the last couple of years I have always gotten up and said but but I don't agree with that because of the union church and because of the Methodist Church I didn't think they should have just been able to do that and they they had I've been told that you know

or uh you know people that are weaving or wool or you know crafty place our flea market on Art Gallery is yeah the old gas station although I do know an artist would be interested in paying more stuff there I mean but not really

it is but also we are waiting from MDOT I feel like we all know it's not an ideal place into in my better our time is better spent problem solving how to make that a safe entrance and exit rather than we can fill up the entire recommendation

of the Blackboard with things we don't know yet right and we keep repeating some of the same things so right ideas little bit my understanding is that the options are the town to keep it for the Historical Society to have it for a dollar for the Historical Society to have it for nothing

person or organization or to give it or not well what have you got there I seem to be there were more a couple more maybe I can do you want me to go through what I've listened to mine um so I think most of these are in the camp of towns the building town sells it to the Historic Society Town sells it to a private entity um it's capped as a Historical Museum with whoever physically owns a building at the time Library

Historical Society the 31k currently there no more turns into a Town store we do something with crowdfunding it's used for town government we tear it down collaborative workspace cubicle Farm sold to private entity which doesn't move it to the River Park and take it down in pieces upgrade to Modern um interior which is I think what John was saying after moving I didn't really get that one yeah I mean that was that's probably getting into the leads a little bit too much I mean my guess is you have to upgrade it no matter what if you're going to keep it wherever it is of course if you don't sell it to somebody

the land turn it into a recreational area area fill in the hill by Lots around it kayak rental lift it up [Laughter] you mentioned uh lift it fill make a full foundation with kitchen archival space bathroom parties uh your rental space give it to another non-profit which is similar to what let's work with did with the Methodist Church Art Gallery Artisan location which is the fast

some of those up into like the last couple you mentioned there Tom keeps it up commercial they don't give it to historical and the town figures out what what goes in there the fleet Market Art Gallery you know if they want to have a public space same with the library is it a library is it a recreation center or whatever it is that's to me is we don't need the same Library we just say Town use for in the other things actual Minnesota probably organize these better but I'm still going to leave everything on there as just ideas because yeah they were there great now let's see I see it as a like a floater turn it back into a church yes absolutely because that would be a private organization yeah yeah

whoever the 100 sound required um uh they would have brought it from the Baptists because it was a Baptist Church abandoned my guess ten dollars I don't know somebody bought a few for 10 bucks I found the deed for that I mean it's just yeah

that was productive I really did I appreciate Tyler keeping on top of it I appreciate Emily trying to police the process a little bit [Music] let's move on Lois did we discussed this already or did we did hear satisfaction

discussed it so um him somebody said that it didn't go to a vote so it did not okay I didn't think it had but I might have missed it um I just it feels to me like that money belongs to the town selectman to figure it out and I just want to make sure that we aren't at any point saying we want that ten thousand dollars for an assessment

maybe even going to this select board I mean I think it depends on what the what the talent decided and I think that's right is the 200 000 21 000 is that usable I mean I don't know that what I don't know what we would need money for if we're comfortable with getting estimates or whatever from people like cop or whatever it may be but if we really feel like we need to spend a thousand bucks or have somebody go in and do a real structural really deep dive on structural or whatever it may be that may cost us may cost the town two or three thousand dollars and then we would go to the innovate we go to the selectment and say we to give you a really good answer we need to do structural engineer assessment yeah and we think it'll cost us three thousand bucks five thousand bucks will you approve spending so whether it comes out of that 20 000 or 50

town just says we've got that I mean they have funds to do that kind of work and they can approve so I think I don't think we should just say we're not going to spend money until we've no chance to look at some of the options yeah but if the 10 000 was for the structural repair of the cell and you know that 10 000 may be sacred I'll get back to you Monday you also checked on with the if there is another oh another uh place they put the money

the other 21 000 it should be yes there is in a place just for the Historical Society just for the renovations historical renovation of the building I can't remember from last year of various things yeah so um yes that money my understanding you're talking to Jerry was that that money is earmarked

the 21 000 is earmarked for the Union Church Renovations or they've been using it for repairs not for not for a difference terminology there so when they put in the walkway that Target that was not a renovation because it wouldn't have met the standards it was our repair I guess that was a new thing

so that twenty one thousand dollars is set aside the 10 is where we've got to figure out where what that wording was and hopefully it should be clear I hope it's clear recommendations being a structural engineer but could that come from the capital funds that the town has I think that would be a selected to say we need three thousand dollars but I mean that could be one of our recommendations as but I guess that doesn't fall under uses that perhaps a structural engineer does well I think if we wanted to do that I think we probably do that in by September and try to get that into this budget cycle and the cycling would figure out how to do it if they want to and if they don't they don't yeah I thought maybe if we want to do that but you bit earlier and you go to him to ask I'd pick a number three thousand whatever it is and just say can we to really give you a good answer on what it's going to cost

uplift it rebuild whatever it's going to be you know our you know I think the cop said yeah look at the Joyce underneath looked good and so maybe just a guy may go very quickly go and say hey look at this bill is in great shape for that corner or pay the rafters are

they're going to need work or whatever it may be he should also be able to say look at here's what what it would cost you to put in toilets here's what it cost you estimate what it cost you to make this truly Ada accessible yeah yeah and I mean just eight ball parks in everything other than pick it up and put

hundred thousand that you were dealing with 2017 did that include foundation work or was that stick I can look while you guys are talking I can pull it up on my phone yeah I I mean when you buy a new house you have a housing inspector I had my thought was maybe we may want to have somebody who does that kind of

skill sets up I mean he's no longer there right but I mean well how far does that go how far this was in 2015 but one of his recommendations was that they should have a structural engineer to take a look at the building oh okay so you know I I got three hundred dollars he did this so maybe somebody else but I don't know a little bit more but I depending on what you ask him to do is I'm just picking 3 000 out of the air but I would hope that we'd be able to have him come in and then he would say new Joyce on the on the floor that's going to cost you uh fifty thousand and uh new Raptors are going to cost you another fifty thousand and fixing the you know the siding is bad in many places that's going to cost you and doing what you got to do for Ada is gonna so then you could just say because that would be my question a citizen or a selected and say all you talked about is pick it up rebuild it

put it down my barn is a perfect example I'm going to pick it up lift it and and then my wife keeps coming up with I like a door here and like you know and I'm hoping that there aren't a whole bunch of nothing going to hurt but you know I don't know that when they lift it they won't fight other issues underneath yeah and you guys dealt with that probably with your bar is it you know what what was is probably 25 more and a skilled train behind ACC may see things that we don't

point out the last time Paula pointed out that there was a list of recognized Renovators if we can find a structural engineer who's got some experience with with buildings that are on the registry because that's a different set of standards because of our ordinances

with all over the place yeah exactly but I'm not sure that it's all that I mean okay I mean it's to be Joyce Joyce Rafters and Raptors bad sighting is bad siding share it with you guys tomorrow if you want I'll just maybe contact one or two of them yeah absolutely yep that would definitely do that that's less fossil because he's he is certainly uh one of the experts in the historical building field absolutely it's not a structural

for people who don't know who it is yeah it's not a structural in here but he sure would he would definitely would happen for those of you who don't know him he's doing the Abyssinian Church in Portland and he has been after

what do you have an opinion on what should be done absolutely yes and he would he he can quickly look at something and say that needs to be repaired right because he did that at no charge for the Western Methodist Church he came in and went yeah that would be a written report and I didn't think we just want to make sure we don't you know Perfection can be the enemy of good enough yeah and all of a sudden we get started getting bids that instead of 150 000 that we're asking of course you know for a level of the level of expertise or somebody's coming and say man if I was doing this I'd do all of that and it's 300 000

my understanding is Select word wanted ideas to present to become right but I think if we need this information to make an informed recommendation to them I think they might well in the town has I think if we if we have some concrete information we saved you know there's a structural engineer who will come up

but he may not be going to say well if you do this to architecture historical standards but basic structural stuff I think hopefully he'd be able to do it we can we can ask so you're saying if the sales are bad it doesn't really matter whether it's a structural engineer or uh historical structural engineer I mean I think it does for like the outside there are certain things but I'm kind of with you I mean a team under a building is a bee month yeah because of the structural engineer

to tell us what the work so then the RFP then says and we need more joists here's the list and then that gets sent out for bids and the bidders come in approving the time assuming the town approves yeah the RFP would would refer to the

net register yes right yes old buildings like there's just countless stories of modern Structural Engineers who expect to see 16 on Center studs going up the wall to come in and see if timber frame like this is going to fall down any minute it's like no it's not it stood there for 350 years yeah it's preservation Structural Engineers are more aware of these practices whether it's like they'll be able to tell from how the lap and posture is cracking what that means whereas a modern one may not see that I think it behooves us at this especially for the point where we're looking at what the problems are to spend the money up front to get a proper evaluation and then later down the line working with the engineer we could say specific Carpenters who may not be preservation who are given specific guidance but even there I would always preservations so there are preservations Structural Engineers

yes one back in 2017-18 and then they told me to as we needed this committee what are you guys happy with the one who did your house yes she is fantastic you talk to our doors she's very weird mean if you have contact with her I'm familiar with attack

of money come out here in the past to other buildings if she's interested just did like half a day at our house and I was like 400 which which is pretty reasonable yeah I mean I assume if we're doing a full yeah for doing a very full evaluation would be

or anything we just want it to be like or should we be worried yeah we got it was from Maine dry Stone back in 2018 he wrote this based on the report from Maine preservation so he took all of the suggestions from Chris Kloss and then did his bid met Linda and walked around the building so the the bid at that point he was 98 000. but that did include um basically building a retaining wall out behind the building so that it couldn't wash away anymore replacing the whole entire Foundation [Music] um and I believe I saw something about putting uh blocks back on the front yeah remove

entire concrete block portion of the foundation from beneath the structure install new engineered Lumber joists and Hangers um they talked about fixing the sill powder spray for post beetles poor footings install poured concrete on the back of the wall and the building and it talked about the sill replacing the corner Excavating 12 inches below grade for drainage install newly built access door with ventilation screen on the back of the bill I mean this was extremely detailed lowmancy he was going to do everything that needed to be done including like a whole new Foundation for 98 000 sales and putting the retaining wall and the up above so that was a pretty good deal and that cold would happen

combination of your person kind of saying you and then coming here you know it doesn't sound to me like it's gotten better in the last five or six years ago and and you know he might be good if the town goes back up to bid to reach out to him since he's familiar and I already provided something before I mean nothing's really the inside of the building hasn't changed since then there isn't any more cracks the roof leak but they fixed the roof so um but you get a jacket up yeah but

willingness to do that yeah I appreciate your awareness yeah absolutely if you can't get her to come out let me know and I'll start going down the list she said she's gonna work till she's 72. oh perfect that's awesome that's awesome all right uh let's move on to uh the uh item number six public comments there's no public here yeah uh next meeting date 8 and 17 and 8 31 are those things

work for you um here on the Thursdays I have no problems yeah I can't make the Third Thursdays I think if it works for everybody else I think we may have to let's do the same time my thought was unless anybody else has an idea but my thought was to show up over at the church and kind of look around person I've never done that yeah [Music] I would love to have you guys who have some knowledge of it Joe meet here and then go there or meet there I would be there so I don't have time for which day the 70s

not that hard I think we'll go over to the church and uh you know look around for a while I don't know that we need to come back around the altitude for sure yeah I mean it'll take a little while I think it's well worth doing unless anybody

be careful when you pull out yeah when you pull in it's easy just pull in straight but when we leave we usually go out in a u so that we just we don't back out so once the first person go and then we just kind of follow it so we drive along the ground

you might be able to go around the church that would be a really good idea make a drive around the back yeah yeah I'd get there first so I'd be back yeah all right well uh does anybody have anything contest excellent um position information lead uh by our bylaws included because I inserted it by

the committee to provide cost estimates for all our suggested options they didn't say that but I felt like we need to do that well I just I think that's necessary for them to make the decision position if I if I got a bunch of just naked uh recommendations with no

cost attached it would not be very meaningful person well the real key is with that step one I don't I guess the question would be what are we going to present who so is it just hey town meeting we want to talk to you about this or hey time meeting we want a decision to go forward with this and then you know that's like is it an article yeah public hearings and all that other yeah Tyler's wedding dance more public hearings well and if we weren't attaching values we would all go for the gold plated

with someone yes yes well I didn't realize that is that what they're playing yeah as best I could tell this election I mean yeah yeah they'll do a warrant article and it will it was going to cost more than thirty one thousand dollars they don't have much no offense to them but they don't have a lot of power yeah you know we want to whatever we want to come up with sell spend 150 000 it's gonna have to go

because their Warren article could say something about not boarding correctly but you know you know Thomas you know the town would approve say you know a hundred thousand dollars initially to a afraid to get the building maybe it may be not anymore but the town the consensus of the town is to uh lift it put it back down sell it

started into a taco stand whatever it may be but you know whatever that recommendation is and then spend more time you know going out and getting more detailed information and things and stuff so they need this information by when December I think they told us December I thought that in the budget stuff was starting September September if this is a budget

keys do they not need that two different ways to talk about the budget I think they're two different things I think the the the vote that would occur at town meeting yeah they knew the information December for yes for some time in the future spending I think the the September deadline is for this budget cycle so if there were a warrant

vote that said whatever you just sent the hundred thousand dollars for repairs in the building to bring it up to code that would not be for the time between April 2024 and April 2025 it would just be a vote on that and then they'd have to come up with a hundred thousand dollars in 2025 I guess it depends on how they do the Warren article but I think they would I think they would probably they would have the amount of money as a as a as a line item to appropriate x amount of money to do this with the union church and then that would be taken out of the taxes um in the next fiscal year

but I thought they wanted to get this into the CIP process know yeah he said um listening to the meeting the other day he Jerry said he was meeting with the CIP like but it was but so see I think it's two different things they want our report by December so they can craft a warrant right um and I but I think if for example if we want to have the infrastructural engineer you probably need to have that information to them by advice there's things like

going to go in with here's the use here's what we think it's going to cost us and then spend 24 getting to a final number but that's probably a good question for what Jerry thinks this election are looking for yeah that's what I remember too yeah I mean I I knew that was a two-year process and then it would go to the budget committee fall 2012 and be approved at town meeting in 2025. okay I thought we were done in December so it can't go on a warrant that says you know the town of you know wants to lift the building it's going to cost a hundred thousand dollars to lift it put a foundation under it we could recommend that I that's that would be what I wanted for a circle I just recommend

top meeting to fix the foundation permanently if win right so I mean there's I don't know how they're going to go about doing that are they going to ask accountability sitting at meetings there's two presentations they split the budgets and articles in half in January and so Jerry needs to get get his

fire and people Public Works and M articles so like when they want a new snow plow truck does that does that you're saying that would have to be in in this September to get it in the for the town meeting in April December or it could be December so they're starting earlier this year but it doesn't necessarily mean

these three things by December all right um anything else we'll wrap it up thank you so anybody who gets proved anybody saying that is not debatable so let's take a vote all in favor of a journey okay you want to pose stand in German thank you thank you thank you thank you

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