TranscriptSelect Board Meeting ~ September 20, 2016

the film. Oh no. Yeah. Yeah. Sleeping looks like you going over the door. I think that was I think I think that was in that pile. Oh, this guy here. I see what you're saying. Yeah. Yeah. Luckily, she doesn't tune in very oft.

What's this do house doing out front? We don't We don't have cable. What is this other pile? I thought I just moved it. I thought those aren't junk clothes. We don't have cable. by the time she gets it up on the web, you know, and hopefully they'll forget.

Maybe next week. Where's John? Where's John? Yeah. Stop doing that. be quiet today. Oh, really? Um, I think we need to discuss new rules on public comment. I used to be on a board where they did public comment at the end dedicated to the problem.

People would get created. I used to know we just I just want to know did you get rid of all we are met on a great battle. We should be tower and featherred anyways. He hasn't been off yet. Hasn't even been in. Oh, you haven't?

He didn't even know until they came in tonight. Oh, the order in that they call them. That might be on purpose. Yeah, they probably don't want you showing up. Probably. They did that to a guy I know with the on the cons conservation commission here. He disagreed with a lot of things they said, so he started changing the meetings and didn't tell him

where they were. Oops. Has anything come with that whole mess over there? As far as the the board, budget board up there. Um there it's it's still going on. It's actually not with the budget board, but it's because of a decision that was made and that was overruled. But it's the towns that are actually have actually sued and it's it's still going on.

They should all be ashamed of themselves. Yeah. I can't believe they uh Larry, you're going into a sense. Mhm. Well, at least I know now. I I can't believe they didn't Nobody called you and told you. I mean, us, but from there, you would have thought they would have

you could. Yes. Sunday best. I see. I don't know about that. Yours all combed up. Well, yeah. do that for you. Everyone all set? Um, all right. Alden, thank you. Like to call this meeting to order. Um, we do have a quorum this evening. All f five selectmen are here. Could we please rise for the pledge of allegiance?

United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. other than what you've No. Okay. Uh, public comment. Any public comment this evening?

open um a public hearing um and action for the uh graveyard automobile recycling business andor junkyard permit applications. public order. I've got it and I've got it right side up. Okay. So, Jeffrey's got the main files with the uh the paperwork that if

everybody agrees on what's what we'll uh will be signed by um I was going to go with Ken Carl first, but as I thought he was coming, but he's not. I don't see anybody here, so I might just pull him to the bottom of the pile. We'll start with Larry Emerson because he is present. Larry, you want [Music] So, essentially, I went through with my usual routine, did a photo survey on them. I put in black and whites for you guys to kind of look at it. Things really are pretty static as far as the junkyards go. Um, Larry's yard's a little bit full right now, but this is typical for him this time of year. He gets a crusher in before the snow flies. Um, so the recommendation for this year would be that this permit again be as last year's was conditional on me doing a reinspection after the uh crushers come through to just to verify that the material's been moved on as it is annually. Um, in my discussions with

Mike uh Randy McMullen at the D, it it appears that Larry's actually should be a recycle yard and not a junkyard. um cuz he does pull cars in, uses them for parts. He also takes cars in from around the area and then has them crushed and sends them out down the road. Um so next year, my recommendation is that we change his license. We'll license him this year as a junkyard, but next year we should license him as a recycle facility and not a junkyard. Uh it's a three-year review process and uh a little a little higher permit fee, but it more reflects what it is he does over there as a as a means of his business.

They don't tie his hands at all. No. Right. No. Other than that, nothing else really changes. You know, the the oversight and screening and all of that sort of stuff is pretty much the same. It just just classifies him a little differently under state law because it's exactly what it is that he's doing. So Carl,

um that's my recommendations as far as Larry are concerned that the condition be that I'll reinspect and uh like we did last year, he'll get the crusher in, move things out, and good to go. And then after that, it would be he'd only be have to renew it every 3 years rather than annually.

After next year, correct? It's a three-year review as a as a recycle yard rather than a junkyard. Um, so the the process would still stay the same that it would there would be an annual uh him moving the material through regularly rather than collecting for three years and then crushing. So it'll still have to be an annual oversight in regards to that his materials moving through the way it's supposed to be. But

but your review process and licensing will go every three years instead of everyone. Are we taking these individually or are we gonna um yeah with a I think with the public hearing I think we do we did we have to take everything all and then do we did do the decisions after the public hearing's closed or

I have no idea. I thought we voted on them as they went through one at a time. Yeah. That that to me I think that makes actually more sense. Yeah. Um so I would move that we I was going to uh just off make sure that Larry didn't have anything. No, I'm I'm all good with that actually.

And one other is uh is there any comments from the public on this before we Okay. I would move that we grant the conditional uh junkyard license uh based on the CEO's recommendations. Second. Any discussion? All in favor?

Motion carries. Thank you. Thanks, Larry. We'll see you soon. Uh let's do Ken Carl next cuz I see he's now here. Yeah, he's right behind you. I know heard mission coming in. You want to come up, Ken? Sure. It is. Thank you.

See, was that stuff mom wrote down? Oh, good. That Yeah. Excellent. All right. So, the circumstance last year with Ken was his was also conditional that there was a list of items that needed to be uh removed that we had agreed upon. Um the idea being here over a period of time to just kind of ratchet him back down to what seems reasonable because it's um there's a lot of stuff up there. All right. And but they're going in the right direction. They did what we asked for last year and and um this was what I was hoping for. There's an additional list here of material that will be um will be removed this year through this through this licensing cycle. So again, his permit for next year will be on meeting the conditions for his permit this year. So he met last year's conditions. Um so I would include this list as a as the conditions of this year's permit as we did last year and just kind of keep moving them forward.

And that's my recommendation for uh for Ken. They they done a nice job up there taking care of what they said they would do. So I like that part. I would move we grant the sorry just need to anything that you want to add or say and any comments from the public.

Okay. Well, also on the public, huh? Yes. I would move that we grant the conditional junkyard license uh based on the CEO's um recommendations. Second discussion. All in favor? Motion carries. pass this over to Jeffrey. And Jeffrey, would you put that in Ken's file, please?

Thank you. You're all set. Thank you for coming. Um Troy and Lisa have done some pretty good work over there. They've been over the past two or three years sort of jumping around here a little bit, trying to clear the yard area out, uh clear out all of the underbrush, organize the yard a little better. But it's a little bit like whack-a-ole cuz they've got to move some stuff to clear and then move the next stuff over to clear and other stuff. And so they're almost done with that. They got one small portion of the back of the yard and back of the garage left to go. Once they've got that, the yard will be pretty well organized and pretty cleaned up. And they they got some future plans for wanting to put in a structure over there to start actually full-time doing restoration work on these old muscle cars. So, um you know, they're they're moving along well. They do well. Uh they they keep it pretty clean. I like the

way they're working and I think we should reissue the permit. Okay. They're not here, but any comments from the public? I would move we grant the junkyard license based on the CEO's recommendations. Second. Discussion. All in favor?

there'll be plenty. Forward in the seconds. Alvin Dennison. Nothing's changed with Alvin. Alvin's probably got the cleanest yard of the group out there. U he is hoping to sort of get started moving stuff out this year. He's had a lot of issues with his wife has been ill and he had some illness and stuff going on over the last couple years. He's looking pretty good and getting around pretty good right now. So, um, as far as I'm concerned, uh, he's, although there's a quite a few vehicles back there, it's a it's pretty well organized, pretty clean site. It's not imposing on anybody, it's really well screened. You know, he's uh, he he does a pretty good job with it. So, my recommendation is just to keep him rolling along.

Okay. Comments? license as uh recommended by CEO. Second discussion. All in favor? Carries. Pea. Um again, nothing's changed for John's. He's he's still feeling encouraged to want to get in there and start moving some stuff out. Of course, the price of junk went pretty much in the tank here in the last year or so. He didn't take advantage of it when it was up, but um he's nothing. I mean, literally nothing has changed there.

Has he I mean, how how about oil? Any contamination? I mean, I see oil down here on the side. And 99% of what John's got in there is old electric motors. The oil drums have been most of these are cut in half, which they have to be by state law in order in order to not be considered a hazard or specially stored. Does he see any upcoming maybe take advantage of something and get rid of some of it or does he just

Well, he's hoping and that's his intent, but you know, every intentions are great, but his is the most benign with what's in there. There's there's there's not a lot of contaminants that can come out of what he's storing there. And if it if it comes time where something has to be done by by anybody, it's probably the most recyclable pile in the state in the town. You know, electric motors, there's a lot of copper in them. There's some Mike in them. There's a few other things in the arateures a lot of that stuff. So his actually has probably the most most recyclable value. Uh so it it

you know over time it's it's got is he re is he recommended to have a fence up? Is that what happened? He's got the one up in front. Yeah. And it's a couple it could use a little work here and there. Yes. I had a neighbors ask about that.

Yeah. I got a couple neighbors down that area. I mean if you if that's what you want me to do, I'll tell him he needs to tune up the fence. But that's if that's your recommendation. But you want to do that as a condition of this year's permit.

I'd like to see it. Yes. All right. If the board agrees with that, that's what we'll do. So, are there certain thresholds that for for instance that the fence has to meet that owner would know? Yeah, there are state guidelines for screening. Okay. That have to be that have to be maintained.

He's got an old fabricated fence say it's been falling down for a while. Okay. the screening being brought uh back up the snuff here. Is that correct? I'd like to see it. Yes, that's fine. That's fine. the neighbors are asking us probably not that big a deal. Stand it back up,

right? Probably prop it up with a barrel. Yeah. Well, I spoke to him I spoke to him a couple years ago cuz you know the stuff's been there longer than the neighbors have, but the main concerns with junkyards are things like wells and that sort of stuff where contaminants can really be an issue. I mean, the visual effect is some, but it's pretty minimal with John, but I'll mention it to him and we'll get him to take those those corners

coming back from the front to the side. I know the one you're talking about at least uphill from him a little bit. We'll see about getting some of that. Super duper. All right. And uh I'm sure I'm sure he'll be fine with that. So,

all right. Any any comments? I move we grant the uh junkyard license with the added condition. Second. Any discussion? All in favor? Motion carries. This uh public hearing is now closed. So you guys will need to sign all of those and have the conditions applied to the ones that are there. John P was or John Fel didn't actually have any.

We need to make sure we add that. I'll actually hand this over there so that we can get that added. Thank you. You want to ones that we have? No. Okay. All right. Um, next I'd like to open a public hearing and action for the general assistance ordinances ordinance appendencies A through D.

Uh, this is kind of a yearly deal I believe. it's a state uh figures. We can adopt our own figures if we want. Um, in the past we've always just gone to the state figures and that sheet is an outline of what that includes.

public on our general assistance ordinance appendices? [Applause] I will take a motion if this anyone desires presented. Second. Any discussion? Can I just look one over real quick? Yeah. Is it It's my understanding that if we

want reimbursement from the state, we have to accept these guidelines. If we set our own, then then the reimbursement changes. Is that correct? I don't know to be honest. Sir Yes. All in favor? That's a good question. We could get answered though for future car.

Had been my understanding. I think that I think that we do though. I think that's how it works. Right. That's why they set the figures. Okay. So I'd like to uh I'll declare the uh that the second public hearing closed. I move that we go into assessor session.

Second. All in favor? Motion carries. All right. Uh first we have a supplemental tax for three growth penalty map 3 lot 14. And that would be Let's make sure I've got the right one here. is. Yes. So, this is the one. So, that would be in the uh uh amount of $3,39560.

assessment as proposed by the assessor. Second. discussion. All in favor? Motion carries. Uh the second one is another tree growth penalty for map 2, lot 28, and that would be in the amount of $157.60. penalty um assessed by the assessor

15760. all in favor I move that we cut them out of accessor session second. All in favor? Motion carries. Consent agenda. should have one written down there under correspondence number five, Spirit of America Awards Ceremony. That's tomorrow evening at 6:30 p.m. at the uh, County Courthouse. Is there anyone here that can make it to represent the town of Durham?

They seem to always do this to us. let us know at the very last minute and uh I absolutely can. I have an appointment in the Is it the county courthouse? Yes. Same place we was the last time. Yes. When I was with you where

who's who's our recipient where Wade's going to show up once he finds out? Okay. Right. 6:30. 6:30 Wednesday. I think I can make that. Okay. Is it a shirt and tie or come as you are? Um a little better than that. I mean,

yeah, pro. I'd probably do the a little better than that, but I wouldn't I wouldn't You don't need to uh go like you're going to a large meeting. All right. I don't need to be that elaborate. Okay. All right. 6:30 at the half courthouse.

Thank you. Uh do you know how long it lasts? Um four or five hours. Yeah, I'd say an hour and an hour and a half cuz each each community has their own. Okay. And I just want to let my wife know in case she like to know. I'm not I be prepared with a couple words just in case they may ask you if you want to say something about the recipient. Um so just just to be notice

I waited until you had volunteered. I noticed all Yeah, that's okay. I I got it. Be good too if we could get some better notice for this going forward. Do you think you could feed that back to the administrator? I can. We find out the day before that we're supposed to be there tomorrow. And it's

I did see that he sent it out the 12th, but that's still only 9 days. Yeah. So, um All right. So, we're back on the consent agenda here, too. And there is a a Bob permit in this as well. I move that we accept the consent agenda as presented.

Second. Any discussion? All in favor? Motion carries. Action and discussion. and items. You read the committee Uh she just drove in. Okay. We'll we'll go um on to the uh discussion of the website RFP until she comes in. Okay. And we have a handout on that. This is the one that you uh kind of lifted and and redid for us.

Yeah. Um, so, uh, we've given Josh, um, an estimate the last time. I don't know if take a look at it. Um, and then I had straighten up our we could either use or we can go with the estimate or I dropped the ball on that one. Apologize.

Do you want to table this? Um, take a look through it. No, we don't have to table I mean, I'm certain I'm not an expert on web design anyway. So, I was hoping Shannon would be here tonight. She's not. So, should we You want to Should we table until next time and see if she can be here?

Yeah. Yeah. Do it. But, yeah, it would be good. And I'll look it over better and discuss it with her. That would be awesome. Okay. So, table that. Okay. Uh, next up, appointment to the comprehensive plan committee. Uh we have one person who has uh put in an application and is being recommended to join. She actually has uh significant uh experience with comprehensive plan stuff through in Cumberland. Her name's Pam Bosarge.

I move that we appoint Pam Bosarge to the comprehensive plan committee. Second. Did you repeat that? Oh, I move that we appoint Pam Bosarge to the comprehensive plan committee. Second. Any discussion? All in favor? Motion carries. Um, back to the Eureka Committee.

you get to know? I haven't. No. Okay. Um the first one is um a Girl Scout troop that meets at the Eureka. They wanted to do a flower garden or a garden of some type. They're just little guys like brownies. and um just with Ken Mo and the lawn at the at the uh river park. Those aren't really big gardens and one of our members actually Anita Celos actually set it up you know what the flowers are there and we said we would help them and that's kind of like we I don't want to set start a new garden when we have one that needs to be tended and they were happy to take that over and then maybe put something around the flag pole there because the flag pole has nothing around it either but I got to ask you know it's a town property and I just can't say go ahead and take care of it.

Sounds great to me. I move that we permit the Girl Scouts to garden at the river park and at the War Memorial Park. Second. Any discussion? All in favor? Motion carries. Okay. And the second one we had had an brainstorm on a way we could bring more money into the into the hall was to offer the hall out to oh let's say eighth grade or or or class over there a math group the fire department explorers a brownie troop or something to have now that we have the kitchen for have a supper or breakfast and then ask them for 10 or 15% of the profit. So, they're making profit. The building's getting some, but there's another, you know, we didn't know.

How do we The only question I would have, and I'm looking at you because I don't know, is how that works with our insurance. Do we have to then make them pay to Well, many of those kind of like the Girl Scouts have their own insurance, the Boy Scouts have come scouts have their own insurance. I don't know whether the school groups would be covered.

Flores, Flores covered under Okay. BSA insurance, right? I just don't want to make it more complicated for the the groups with the insurance. I just want to make sure that part can be kind of Yeah, they would have understand that they would need to have their own insurance and most of them are covered under an umbrella as the insurance. What about something like a math group or a group through church to a school or you know a boosters club whatever

they don't know if the school well I could look into the possibility that um but they're not part of the town right the like the athletic boosters the softball and soccer and those people I'm sure must have their own umbrella policy

but I don't have any of them approached you for this is this part of why you're asking no okay I I just it's just an idea I can't couldn't advertise it out without right well the reason I was asking that is cuz if they had you know that's just something we can go back and ask them but if not we should maybe find that out anyways

I mean we could we could allow them to do a contingent on the group uh having ins um having insurance and producing the right I because the re why I was thinking of that is I know when when private groups rent it out the insurance fee is like $150 or

77 okay and if if these are small groups that are probably not raising Well, lucky enough to do 70 to have that as another big chunk that of their overhead, it it cuts into any potential profit margin they might have. Yeah.

But if the if if it's a school thing, there's possibility that they have some kind of coverage because they're they're traveling around and going to other schools and doing some of the functions they do. They go on field trips, camping trips.

Wondering if maybe RSU coverage would cover them. Yeah, it' be worth asking them. I know they have camping trips coming up and so they must have something that they they're covering. We can check on that, you know, before we offer it to them. But I mean, the other ones can use it. The Boy Scouts go. Yeah.

I mean, the logistics need to be worked out, but I mean, the idea in principle is there, you know. I think the more community groups that use it and the more people see it being used, the better and it inspires other people to use it. But if they can come in since we have the nice kitchen, you know, and then they can if they have it more, they can set 40 people and then they can have another setting if they need it and they're not going to go over the limits that are allowed in the building. I I think I might suggest that you write up some sort of a uh a policy to be given for groups that want to use it for that such as making sure that you you keep under the the number of allowed people in it and things like that just so that they're aware after they rent what

right before they use it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We have one almost there. We could just tweak it to make it work that way. Yeah. Um, okay. And then just to catch you up on what we got going, what's going on there, uh, the chief just informed me we have two air conditioners that we're going to bring over and I'm going to have Paul check to make sure that we have the capacity to run them there. And the Daisy troops now they they're meeting twice a month there. Um, that's the same group we asked. Um, we have a mom's group that's going to be happening there on every Sunday after Columbus Day. They're going to meet at night from 8 to uh, 6:00 to 8 just to get away. Somebody's putting that one in. And then when night we've had two requests for rental. One of them for next October. That one get backed up, but I know November is going to be for sure. I showed it to her and then we're still working on the generator.

Yeah. Uh John came over today to look at it. Got some numbers and did some calling and looking around for that. And that's about it. The telecommunication did some wiring, but I think you guys know about that. So any questions for me

and cribage, we're just almost just starting our third year. You guys get a good turnout. At least there's a lot of cars. All we had 12 all 12 originals today of you know reg six and six. Any more questions? No. Thank you very much.

All right. Thank you. wardens. And we have um uh for the warden position Ann Neman, deputy warden Jill Tower, and deputy warden Nancy Swinton. did that. I move that we appoint the wardens as listed by the chair. Second. Any discussion? All in favor? Motion carries. Um, discuss and act on heating fuel pricing. And you should have a

gotten together uh numbers from different companies and what they're willing to provide and what then contracts and links and so on. So, I'll let you uh well, you can at least make a recommendation or however you want to do it. But,

uh the only issue that I can see is that um I don't believe that we own our propane tanks. Um and therefore if we leave um our present provider it may be a well I don't know how difficult it is to it's not if you go to a new provider they want your business they're going to come swap it out. They'll if they have to what we do is you call the new provider they'll come put the old tank out of the way and hook up their tank and then the other company can come get their tank whenever they want.

I think there's often a cost for that isn't there? There wasn't when I did at my house. Okay. Told them I didn't want your propane anymore and called the new people and they came and did it. It might be for that size tank. There might be a

It's Yeah, it may be. But I mean, it's still Yeah. No, one here. It doesn't really say if it's for one year, two years, or if it doesn't specify it's for one year. Let me choose. this one here is probably the same guy. He's got one here one year and one for two years.

How? Yes. Down the bottom. Yeah. Yes. The first the one that doesn't say anything is is a one year. How many of our buildings use number two? Just the public works garage. Okay. what we already have budgeted for these expens?

They're all underneath. Okay. These are very good numbers. Yeah. Okay. But just Yeah. I was like to check how they go in the budget first. And do you have a recommendation? Do I have a recommendation? Come on. difference in the propane from the well, no, it's actually more than that, but from the very top one to the very bottom one. The difference being there is he can the top one can keep it for three years,

right? So, that might make a the third year into this last one, it could change because we all know what propane's been doing. We could see it go crazy this this winter, you know? So that to lock that in for three years seems like a

another question I actually have on this is um is there any uh stipulation in these that you go with both with them to get these prices? Is there also a minimum amount? Well, I I I we do between five and 6,000 gallons anyway, right? So they didn't have to worry about it.

And last year we were under 2,000 at the at the public works department, but I I think we're going to be between two and 2500 this year because I assume it's not going to be such a sure light winter as it was last year. Stop it.

The commercial rate threshold is about 2,000 gallons. It's at that point that the rate toast starts to ratchet down. So you guys are in the commercial phase on that one. I also felt there was some opportunity to squeeze uh down east a little bit based on the lower price from one of the other suppliers to see if you couldn't get a more satisfactory price from the folks that you guys have been doing business with so far. I think it's a valuable it it should work. The PUC has just recently started to up the storage capacity in the state of Maine to stabilize the uh the cost of propane and and LP. So if some of this is reflecting that expected u leveling off of the supply, right?

That's why they're being a little more aggressive in their pricing than they have been in the past. And basically for the number two, the one on the top is Yeah. So you got it. The the idea of a three-year lock in at that price, I think, is

we know number two is only a one year. Yeah, I was going to say on the it's the Yeah, the number two is I'm assuming is a one year. Yeah, because it just set on the propane. But even at that, I think you're fairly safe. Cuz if you give them the threeear next year, they're going to work just as hard probably to come in on that number two, I would think, and if they don't, well, then you can split it up

unless something changes because I I know that number two um what, four years ago was up around $4 a gallon. Yeah. Yeah, that's good price. your suggestion or your your thoughts, Ruth. Oh, back to me. Yeah. Well, I I like the three here. I think it's a really good price. And And I

Which one Which one of the three is the top one or the second one? Okay. Yeah, because you the one down. Well, not below three years, too. Yeah, but it's also a lot more expensive. Yep. Nope. I I think it's a really good price and I think it'd be nice to stay where we are.

I agree. Well, I mean, that's pretty that's pretty competitive, so it would be tough to not stay there. Yep. Let's roll the dice. Do we need a motion on that? So, uh do you want to stay with them for the uh number two as well?

Yeah. Yes, that was that's cheapest by point something on the next closest one anyways. Yeah. The only the only other thought I'd had is go with dead river or with this with a second one for because you can lock that price in for three years and it's it's

the threeear lock on the number it's only three to four cents more per gallon on the number two. Yeah. On the number two. Yeah. Can we come back at down east and find out what a threeear lock for them? They they can't do a three-year lock on the on the oil. I see.

So, you know, we can split it and and we can just say providing that the the Dead River can do the three-year lock on the They indicated they could, but you know, on just one or they have to have both. Yeah. So, they're not contingent on both then.

Contingent. Well, no. I would I would think that it's not. But but when you guys make the motion, you could do that. If if these prices are for the 3 years without getting both, right, then then we should go with that. And if not, then we should stick with the the down.

Now, just for another point of because I know we've had some issues here, who have we been using uh for repairs and stuff? Uh we We have Calvin spirit. I was going to ask him if he's ever had to call anybody for because he's he's always taken care of the the public works garage.

Who do you use, Bill? I used to use Durham Oil for their bought out by really had anything happen since since it Yeah. converted since I switched over. I'd have to look at the book. Did have one question. I forgot to talk about it the other day when we discussed this. If we do go with a different company, is there a tank fee, tank changing fee if they have to transfer propane or put in their own tank or anything like that?

They didn't specify. Not all of them are owned tanks, right? I know. Ours isn't. Ours isn't like the community center where it's buried. I don't know if we own that or not. Well, maybe before we vote on this one way or the other, maybe we can ask him two or three questions. Did we can we split this up and and the is or is the oil and the propane from the second one have to be that way and I I would throw it out there to down east about what we're looking at and maybe they'll come around

and the cost of the changing of the tanks and right I think down east owns the owns our tank they just put in last year I think they even credit you they even have to credit you for any fuel left in the tanks so yeah but still they make

I person I mean I think that's almost a moot point cuz planning on going with the same company this year for right and so so as far as the tank changing I think that's a moot point it's just a matter of the oil yeah and and the oil um I I that's our own tank I'm sure right

oh yeah we all have our own tank yeah who have you had to sorry I was going to ask all go ahead have you ever had to have service done there for your heating who did you go I'm used to think kept coming in off. Do we have a contract with them?

Not for service. Do we want to look at having a service? Yes. Cuz I know sometimes that actually is beneficial. I know some homeowners that went into that and it was a lot better for them by having that. Dead River has the same thing too.

Do they? I asked them about that before we make this decision. So the only issue that I I would perceive is is that these prices are only good for 24 hours. So the prices may be different if I come back in two weeks and I don't

they may be the same or Yeah. Well, if you lower I mean we could you could email everybody and I'll definitely check it and uh we could make the last decision. Yeah. Well, we we can't make a decision tonight. We can't make a decision by email. We're not allowed to vote.

Um, so we're pretty certain we want to go with the uh for the for the propane. Yeah. It's just a matter of whether the second one is going to Why don't we make the motion and if she has any huge red flags, then she could let us know and we can bring it back.

Sounds fair enough. Y Well, like I was saying, you could make a motion that we're going to go campaign with Down East and then we'll go with the number two with Deb River if we can split them out. And if we can't split them out, then we'll just go with with Down East. As long as that is a lock in for three years on the oil,

right? He doesn't say one or the other here, but just to be sure. All of our buildings, public works and the town office. Yes. For for what? Propane or Yeah. For what? Both. Yeah. You're the only one with oil. Oh, I'm okay. Because last year I got from Lisbon.

I know. Yeah. But and if you want to keep going with the cash price, I mean, that's your decision. It's your budget. it. Uh, not really. So, they didn't they didn't give any price. So, we don't know what they're charging lock in or not.

They don't lock in price contracts. They only spot pricing. It's just cash pricing. So, if it changes from each delivery, it changes each. Everybody around them. Yeah. So, if if I made a motion that we go with um the propane price from down east at 116 and if we can get the uh number two price from Dead River uh without having to go into the propane contract as well that will go with Down Dead River. Otherwise, we go with Down East

for both. Yeah. For for the number two. Does that sound Yeah. Like it. Sounds right. Okay. So that was that was my motion. Second. Any discussion? All in favor? Motion carries. All right. Um act on trail here. What do you think? I don't know what anybody was thinking about.

That's the two air conditioners are worth pennies. Yeah. The building ain't really worth much. Not from what I can say. I mean, you got a you you where the you look in the back corner there when you walk in the door where the little piece of trim come off between the two pieces of panel and you can see right outside.

Yeah, actually that you can see Yeah, you can actually see daylight right there in that picture. But there it's I mean the roof I didn't clamp on the roof but it don't look pretty and there's water damage inside and all of a sudden's pretty sky. I don't know what you want to do with it but I don't know who was looking to buy it but all right. Um, so is we have nothing in it at this point?

Yes, there is some stuff in there. Some maps and stuff that I think we got up this week or we only got up this week. Just some Yeah, we have some box in it says 2005 and stuff for the town. I don't know what it is, but old records going to pull out bring down the garage that we don't want.

Yeah, that's I don't know how they got that in. So the the question is then I mean somebody has expressed interest in it and um do we want to ask them to you know put an offer what they what they what they want and you know have them look at it or do we want to put it

you got to do an open bid for that. Do we want to put it out as a as a bid and uh we'll make sure that the person is notified that there is put out. You got to put it out to everybody. You just can't Yeah. I think I think we're required to

transparency. We have to put it out to everybody. Use of it for the town. Nobody here wants it. And if we do if we do put it looking at the fire department. If we do put it out, I would suggest that we would put it out stating that the p the purchaser removes takes care of all removal and costs of removing including you know disconnecting from electric or whatever else needs to be done.

Yep. Right. as is. Where is with I think the steps are worth the most with no minimum. Yeah, it does have that mod. I mean, yeah, you can. There's a couple things. I mean, you got to take the the boxes out. It's got to town. So, I take out what needs to take out then.

Two nice air condition. This is nice. But you have you have no use for it. So, okay. Um, Bill, do you Oh, look. We're going to drain in it. Well, that was actually suggested. No, it's probably a step up from that to the right person, but not much.

Okay. So, so so you guys want to put it out for bid now? No. You want Is every everything in it included? The air conditioners and the heater and No, I'd take the if the air conditioners are any good, I'd take them out. Those are nice.

What are we going to do with them? That's going to be the gate and hole in the side of the building. Well, it must have been in the wall. Yeah. And where would we put them? What are we going to do with them? Okay. Well, I I believe it's some interest. So I that's fine if it's not.

I'll leave it just where it sits. Yeah. Take your desk out as is. Where is Yeah. I mean Well, not where as is. Where is and get it out of there. As is. You move. One of the issues. One of the issues if people are going to go look at it. That's a lock gate.

I was going to say no. They'll have to contact you. Yeah. I mean or we'll have to have them contact somebody. Yeah. We don't really want people traing around in there through all the other trailers and boxes. Yeah. No, I'd rather have somebody there with them.

Right. That they need to contact. specify a date and time. Yeah, that would a group showing on Monday to 9 to 95. You know, there'll be a day that everybody gets to show up and walk through and then they all get to meet.

What's the ad cost us? MMA is nothing, right? MMA is nothing though in the newspaper, you're probably looking at I just do it on MMA and the web web page in town. Yeah, this guy because it's going to cost us something. We want to at least get a minimum bid,

right? The news blast. Okay. have the bees too. Actually, I will I will make because we we discussed it, but we didn't really make a motion. I'll make a motion that we put the uh put the trailer out to uh out to bid. um with understand with the

understanding that it's a asis and all removal costs will be uh taken by the purchaser. Yeah. And we want to make sure we put a time frame on when it's to be out of there too. We don't want to let it sit there for yeah 4 months or something.

Second. All in favor. Motion carries. Did you want to put that in the tri county to news too? They're going to charge it. They charge us. No. Even if it was an information thing under our door, they would book it and add a little stance.

Let's get over that. Think if we do it in the news and on the town channel departments and committees code enforcement lot. I've uh been out of the office a lot these days. So, u couple of quickies. I've been working with the historic district commission trying they they're getting together volunteer groups to do uh surveys around town on historic structures. Um and they had we've gotten a little bit of information from uh the folks at main pre uh preservation historic preservation and uh some survey stuff that they had given us but it's mainly a written survey which requires some architectural knowledge in order to fill it out. So I put together a really simplified pictorial survey that was actually uh put together by Virginia and Lee Mallister so that certain specific portions of an architectural structure can be identified like the pitch of the roof. You got a really steep roof, a medium roof, a flat roof. and you just

go through and you start checking this stuff off when you're sitting there looking at a house and it hones in on the architectural period and then you can get a basic idea of when the place was built and what the significant features are. So I think that'll be help uh for those guys. Um the road commissioner and I are trying to coordinate the entrance permit requirements for uh new homes and driveways on town roads. Um, and we're working through a little bit of lumps on that. We got a a consent agreement we're working with one contractor on Friday morning. We'll be setting up for some a little bit of repair work on the Sanhill Drive that got got damaged by equipment during the process of building a house and just figuring out how to sort of navigate and making sure that stuff gets taken care of the way it should. And you know, the other thing I got is we're going to be buying a ton of new code books this fall

because everything except for the NAC, everything's new. We got uh the IRC, the IBC, the IECC, uh the U plumbing code, everything's new and there'll be trainings that we'll be having to go through to get updated on all the new changes for all the code books. So, we we have put it in the budget uh cuz I wasn't sure when it was coming. I figured it was going to be this year. Um, so if there's any relief in that next year, we can certainly shorten that budget because uh we'll we'll probably use most of it this year for for the code books and we'll we'll back off on that line item for next year's administrative budget.

We'll hold you to it. Well, I actually have a question about that. If they if they're effective, when do the books come out? Because if this says they're effective for J for 2017, but we'll be able to purchase them in this year's budget.

Yes. Yeah. And that's the plan. Regardless, the books that are going to be effective if they don't do it until January 1st are still the same books if they do it December 31st. So, it's not like it's a different book. So, we'll get the books in this year's cycle. They should be coming up. The main building officials and inspectors association is trying to negotiate a group purchase to get us better pricing uh so we get more municipalities all buying them at once. we should be able to get uh the IBC and international code council to give us a better break on them. Uh so we're working through some of that sort of stuff still. Uh we'll have access to some PDF stuff which is a pain in the neck to use, but until then we'll get the we'll get the books going. So,

thank you. Thanks. Um, but Ruth and I was looking over some some property at the gazebo area because I was thinking about this thing that we need to do something with at some point. And we realized that we actually have a little piece of property that's on the map is separate, but where the bank goes down and into where the trees is, that little gully. Now, I don't know really what's in there. I don't know if there's water in there. I don't really I didn't look around, but that's actually part of that property. So, it could be one little bigger property. So, I was thinking, what can we do to make this whole thing work at some point? This is just a thought. So, if the public hears me say tear it down or not tear it down, don't get nervous. This is just some ideas, but um I've

said in the past, I'd like to see how we can make that handicap accessible for people. We have people in talent and wheelchairs, and I know people have tried to use it in the past. Since there is not a historic connection to that as far as historical, maybe we should look at at some point where that roof part is the only part and the bottom is actually okay, but all the the rest of the stuff is rotten and I don't know how good that's going to be when the time comes to fix it. The pore slab there, but maybe we need to fill that banking in. I don't know if we can fill that in. And the only reason I'm thinking of that is cuz we got a lot of fill we're getting from ditching and some of it's really good fill. Is that a possibility? These are just ideas for you guys to think about and look at. Is that something that part like behind the

Yeah. So that it's flatter and more more space for people to stand when they're having a function down there. You know, bring that banking down so that it's back further, make it better, more accessible for everybody. So determinations on Phil is it it's a drainage. If it's just a drainage, if there's there's three criteria that have to be met in order for it to be classified under the NERPA, if it doesn't meet those three, then yes, we could put a covert in to continue to allow the drainage and fill in that area. If there's any any what would be classified as wetland in there, whether it's wooded wetland or open wetland under D, you can you without a permit, you can fill 45,00t with a permit by rule, you can expand that. So it, you know, would take pretty pretty quickly be able to determine if that's a something we actually get to work with in there. Uh, and and could expand it. As far as the gazebo is

concerned, I working with the historic district commission and some of the other stuff that's come up. There are some pretty old photographs in town with a gazebo right there, right, in the 1800s. Right. And it looks just like the one that's there.

That's that's what I was going to say. It is there may not be any piece of the original gazebo there, but it has been kept looking the same. It's the right structure in the right place. It may not be the original structure. It's one of those things. There may be a corner of a shingle up on the roof. It's part of the original thing or a nail down underneath. But um I I'd be more than happy to try to get a hold of uh Jill Johansson in regards to what might be um

some to look into some ways of making that more accessible because she's she does a lot of accessibility work and uh and she might she might have some places she could point me to that would give us some attractive ways of trying to accommodate that structure in that way. Um, but I think looking into filling that lot and giving it a little bit more room to work with now and there, make it more workable and usable is a great idea.

Yeah. I mean, I it's I just threw it out there as a thought. I know we'll have to put it in front of the town, but I mean, we've had the tape up there because you can't use it cuz we haven't had the money or whatever to time to get it repaired. Can't find a contractor. But between now and meantime, if we can come up with something, we can present and if we can possibly fill that in, if you can check into that,

present it to the Boy Scouts. Well, but I mean we got a lot of fill that we're getting from ditching and like I said, some of it's really good stuff. I know we're piling some of it out back of the town garage and stuff, but you know, if we could do that cuz you get 15 20 people out there and a few cars, you're pretty well packed up cuz nobody's going to stand on the back side. So, if we could make that better for the town, especially where we're using the flags up there more and people are starting to notice it, it would be a nicer nice place.

All right. So just look into it. Sounds good. Cam. Yeah. I don't know how many years ago it was, but in a period of two years, we raised $10,000 each year. In the second year, they tore that all down and was going to keep the good parts to that gazebo and then fill in around that. Well, the only thing they kept were six 2 by sixes that the part of the floor is laid on. I don't know how many years ago it was, but we we put $20,000 into that

and seems to me like it's gone to plot a lot sooner than it should have. Well, the parts that have rotted, Ken, were the parts that they didn't replace. It's the base of the post that they didn't replace. The deck and thing, the framework, that's all sound in the rock. The roof work is still good. So, essentially, what it needs is new posts.

Yeah. Well, that wouldn't be too bad. Yeah. shouldn't I mean you can look back on the books but we did we put $20,000 I know there was a lot of money put in that whole thing and you can see where they where they assisted or scabbed not assisted but they knocked out right

and redid some the bottom parts of part of them post but I mean it's not doing us any good being sitting there like that kind of looking a little bit like an saw and nobody can really use it so that's why you know we you know I just was looking at some of the maps the other day with Ruth and then thinking about the fill in the back and saying, you know, maybe we can make this work better for the town and especially where they're putting all the flies up there utilize get the space so they can utilize it better. You know, last before we roped it off. I mean, there was people actually having pics there off and not so you know if you we're trying to get more community stuff going and you want to use the RA center more. I mean, that's all that stuff written there.

And unfortunately, we actually do have money in the budget this year to do something with it, but we haven't been able to find any. From what I understood, there hasn't been anybody that's barely been interested in I haven't got anybody interested in coming in and trying to replace the poles.

That's it. It's been the issue has been getting somebody who's going to actually turn the poles. Yeah. Not just not just Oh, they're not turned. They're they're rectangular, but you have to be able to support the roof structure while you remove the posts and put the new ones in. You got to actually

They haven't been turned. No, I checked into that. You know how it opens out and you step down and it's it's faces pretty much the flag poles. But you know, if you were ever to really have a gathering there, most of the people would be I mean, if you filled in the back, most of the people would be in the back of the gazebo. So, could you conceivably open up the back of the gazebo? Like just two of the the

Do anything you want once we get the post fixed so it doesn't fall in your head. Steps all the way around it. Yeah. All right. Let me look into it. I'll see what I can come up with. All right. And I'll try to pursue a little bit more about getting something.

No. One time the one of the Cub Scout guys, they were talking about turning it a little bit. And I mean, I'm not sure if that would be No. Well, we already found it the that it's it's in there solid. Yeah. Right. 20,000 was well spent in anchoring that foundation where it belonged. But

well, the only thing I was going to say was part of what Roose talk is there if it was to be moved back more towards the trees and you'd have more out front and make those steps. But I just or turn it around so that when you're using the gazebo, you're facing the ditch that you're filling in, which is the broader part of the parking area, and let the flags be the backdrop. to what you're looking at behind the gazebo. And I think that would work fine, too, because there's not enough room

in where the flag area is in the front of the gazebo to do much in front of it. It's just that little pie shape. So, if you're going to expand that lot in the pie, you on the back sides where all the room is, you could just

if you wanted to, you could turn the steps going the other way or put a second set of steps in. Yeah. And and use that larger area of the lot as the the activity area would make more sense, right? I would think you'd keep the steps where the flags are. That would be the smallest up in the white ones up front. And anybody that's going to have a function to present out there, they're going to sneak up.

We put a ramp in there in the snowstorm. The kids will have a way to slide all the way down. Very just some thoughts so we can make it work. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. May I be excused from the rest of the meeting, please?

Well, that's up to Jeff. testing is finally pretty much done. It uh that's a yeah, that that is a repetitious pass that uh I'm actually going to look into trying to shed that and see if I can find an alternative because it uh it serves nobody and it takes about a 100 man hours to actually get it done every year. So, I'm going to look into alternatives for trying to get that accomplished, but it's pretty much for all intent and purposes, it's complete finally. Uh, the ladder testing was scheduled for uh all the ladders in the department on the 9th, but due to starting issues with truck 24, we had to cancel it. It's rescheduled for this Thursday, the 22nd. Our EMS inspection with main EMS for Rescue 25 is actually scheduled for the same day. So, Thursday will be a busy day over there. Um, the four air conditioners that were approved under the Homeland Security Grant in 2015. Um, purchase has been made. I actually

think the invoices on the warrant for tonight, but it's the purchase has been made. They're currently in the uh modular, but actually the way the breakdown was in the grant narrative, two are were actually set scheduled for the community center where it's at cooling/warming shelter/shortterm shelter. So, two of them are scheduled for there. They don't want them to set in the box. They want them to get used. So, um I've let Pearl know that there's two of them over there that belong to the community center. Probably probably next year they'll drag them over there. The other two are actually scheduled for the fire station. St. purpose. Um, so anyways, those are in. That's 100% reimbursement. So once we pay it, I'll get copies of the warrant and stuff and get it submitted and we'll get full reimbursement for it. I think the purchase price uh I think was about 1,800, which was a little less than what

was actually awarded in the grant. But um I haven't heard anything on the 16 grant that was actually for IM responding software. Uh, I don't know where we I know it's moved to the state, but I don't know if it's uh yeah, where the state's actually in the process. I haven't heard of other communities being notified. So, I'm assuming the state still re in their review process, but I haven't asked and I probably will pretty soon because I'm starting to get antsy. We're getting close to the time frame we usually get word at the paving project

at the station. it uh uh yeah that's been last couple of the last week week and a half that taken some weird twists. It uh basically on the 23rd you guys approved Rick to he was the only price code I had Rick target to do the concrete work at the station. Um it uh

like 4 days later after you approved it, I had a phone call from a contractor that I'd spoken to actually prior to Rick saying wanting to know why giving a verbal price quote. It was a Saturday giving a verbal price quote. Uh

still haven't followed up with a written price quote. They have followed up with phone calls and text messages and they're not they were not happy. It wasn't necessarily a good interaction on either one of our ends in regards to the phone conversation and stuff, but I still don't have a written price quote. Um, my recommendation is that we still stick with Rick. It uh, you know, I have a verbal price quote saying it's going to be less. They want to move the trucks out for a week and they want to do it in one pour. So, I really don't know where how it accommodate six apparatus outside or maybe stored at public works or something. So it's really got to be in two pores. Um so my recommendation is still that we stick with the one we approved in the first place. Um that being said, the other piece that I've provided you and it actually it has some additional information on it is cooker uh the paving price quote is

30,000. it. Uh they included doing the uh catch basin up beside the road and replacing the cover on it, doing that cutting and replacing it. And it's two separate numbers on there. One's listed as 3500 and the other's listed as 30,000 um for the paving piece of it. The other piece moving on down through it. Uh if the road crew doesn't have time to really work on it, um I'd recommend we use Crooked to do the catch basin piece and have Rick Tag bring in the people he's used to working with as far as doing his prep work and his excavating is cutting the balls and stuff or setting the ballards in place and stuff. I don't have a written price quote from them. Um, I called them, they went by, uh, he reviewed it. He called me today and he said that going to come out to be about $6,000, but I don't have it in writing. I do have the rest of the price quotes in writing. My request to the board is that we actually Yeah.

On this 3500, what are they actually doing, Kevin? Are they just putting a ring on and bringing it up to cover up? They got the cover that's already there up to a hot top they're going to put in. I don't think they're covered. That's a homemade rig they made of those landscape blocks. those.

So they put a new cone in. Are they around? There's no cone much. Just a flat. So what are they? Where they where they replace them? Where they putting top of the basin with a pre-cast structure? I mean, I don't think anybody knows. I think it's just a round uh well cover with a metal.

Okay. My my question is what what is what is Kirker saying they're going to replace? I mean, they say here. Yeah. But I don't think they know. I don't think there's no way actually open it up. Anybody's really really sure.

You can't see in there cuz it's full of water. Yeah. So, you don't know what you're looking at. All I can see is the We got a catch piece that doesn't drain. No. Goes across the road to a pipe that's got a field that's higher than

P on the pipe. So, it's kind of doesn't It doesn't drain. The pipe anybody the pipe was put the field was not higher. Going back in time, there was always a drainage ditch. All right. Can I have a next next hydro there? Just put hydro there. Problem solved.

Why did you drain the other? Well, because there are culpets from both sides coming into it, right? And it is the only catch drain for the water from the water. So, it does sip them out somehow. Well, eventually it's acting like a French drain and just like holding area until it

builds up high enough to fill that little pond across the road. The only reason I'm asking the road used to be lower than Yeah, there actually used to be a fairly deep ditch that went all the way across that field. There was a finger drain that went down through apparently filled in over the years.

And the reason I'm asking this is because I've been doing I've done that pond hasn't always been there. I've done many of these already at for for Lisbon doing rebuilding the tops and the cones and that's why 3500's throwing me off.

Yeah. I mean, you could probably take that cover. It's just a big round Yep. well cover with a square metal. There's no cone that I can see. So, all right. So, that's what he must mean by pre-cast structure. So, what I would do is probably take off some of those and put a cone on it that came up to a

Okay, I just That's what I was wondering. So, they're sitting on the problem is the cone would be sitting on something that's So, is he going to replace the whole structure or is he done a No, just the top. I think the intention is just to do the top.

Okay. But I don't think they know for sure what they're getting into. So, is this is this going to be a plus or minus thing or 3500 or they just going to easily cost if they gig into it and cost more? Probably. I should just go over there, comb it off, take the cut the paper, pull the cover off, see what's going on, have them pump it down, and then cooker and I and he come up with a here's what's going to be done. I'm just going to call

that sounds good to me. I mean, right now, this is a pretty vague. Who knows? Yeah, I don't really have time to do all the work by the by the garage. I understand that. Something a mini could get up there and just cut the p.

Yeah, but you got the equipment to do that one. I don't want her to take care of Okay. You got time to do this other one? I'm good with it. As long as we get the project moving on, I want to get the project going. I understand what I'm saying.

Paving plants are going to close here. Oh, they'll get you before we close. I promise. Is that realistic though for you with everything else you've already got going on? Yeah, I already told you I can't do the I'd like to do it all, but I can't.

Okay. So this this uh 6,000 one you got that includes cutting the pave that for the concrete work that includes cutting the paving, right? Okay. So it's six plus for the concrete pour and stuff like that and setting the balls one ball at each one of the columns. So there'd be seven balls and purchasing and providing the ball.

Okay, that's why I was just making sure whether that was added plus the 40. No, that $6,000 was actually for the earthwork for the concrete piece, right? And then the concrete pieces they got to have the two together. Yeah. Okay. No, I just just making

seem made sense to get to try to get price quotes from the people with both contractors that you from the contractor and the one that the other contractor was comfortable working with. And actually, as far as Rick goes, he I asked Crooked about what I should do if I should and he becomes highly recommended from them. I know he's done I know he's done some with Freeport down there and and worked with them guys. So that's probably why they they work well together. So

So when are they supposed to start that concrete work up there? He seemed to think he could get it to it in a couple of weeks. If we gave him the go-ahad, he could probably be there in a couple of weeks. How thick is that hot top anyways?

Cement. I I think unless they went over old paving. The new paving that we put in the time when the building was built is probably two or three inches thick, something like that. Oh, they did whatever the base coat was recommended to be, it'd have to go to the paperwork. Did the base coat, but they never did the finish coat?

Oh, I was thinking that they done it before. Okay. So, you're looking for us to um give the go-ahhead on quicker and hopefully if Calvin's going to do the catch basin, I'm fine with that. I'll let Cricer know that he's going to do the catch basin part. Um

I'm going to do it. Look at it. Open it up. cut. Pull that off there. Get it off. I guess what I'm then I guess I'll rephrase it. What I'm looking hoping you'll give me is authorization to get the project completed short of the lines as long as I don't exceed those numbers that I put in my paperwork.

Okay. I So moved. No. No. I I'll I'll move that we uh give authorization to go ahead with the um we've already done the 4,400 for the concrete apron I believe. So with the 6,000 for the ballards, the 30 uh for the uh for the cut the cutting prep and the ballards, the 30,000 for the paving

and the 3500 for the uh catch basin repair. My assumptions it would be 30,000 for the paving up to 3500 or up to 6,000 for the other two pieces and anything beyond that I could come back and visit you prior to Yep. Did the earth work include digging the holes for the

judge? Did you second that one? I will did I didn't hear a second. Second. Yes, I did. Any any further discussion? All in favor? Motion carries. the next piece um actually the next piece came to light when I was trying to research things to answer questions as to why things played out the way they did. Um and actually I I got to be upfront with you guys and I I need to ask you if you're still good with going the with the contractor that I told could have the floor at the station. I guess what had happened is I came to you and I can find my notes from April 5th saying that hey I got couple of price quotes I'm going to talk to them going to see where they're at if they can make the project still happen for that number and when they can make it happen and stuff it uh um and the contractor when he got back to me said well yeah I can make it happen with my subs and I

I don't know I guess I told him that he had the job um and I was assuming that you guys had approved it. I actually even had a roof looking for where you had approved it. I thought you had the inside form. Yeah, I thought you had approved it, but I we can't find it

find it anywhere anywhere in the video and we can't find it in any of my reports where I came to you saying, "Well, hey, I got this price code." But I could have sworn you did. But the bottom line is I guess just in case you didn't, can I get you cuz I'm still good with using that contractor. I do need to go back. move that we approve the repair of the floor for

2860 $2,860. Second. He's good. Any discussion? All in favor? I I think we did approve it, too. But if you can't find it on video, the videos don't usually lie and I couldn't find when they she said she couldn't find it in the minutes cuz I asked her for a copy of the minutes and she I can't find it anywhere near that time frame. I went I sat down and I reviewed all the videos the fire unless I did it outside of the fire department segment but I reviewed all the videos since April 5th that are online the fire department segment looking for it and

I remember I remember talking about it but and I thought we approved it but I did bring it I did bring it to you on April 5th and say that hey I was going to do some more research but good come on you can't find that on Netflix

I tried Um, next piece I wanted to bring to you is the assistant EMA director at uh, yeah, for personal reasons. It's nothing to do with the department, nothing to do with the reorganization or anything. It's just just time and has to step down and stuff. Uh, moving on from that

though is part of our organizational changes at the department and trying to prepare the department for transition and moving forward. What I'd actually like to do is I'd actually like to instead of just going out for an assistant EMA director, I'd like to go out for an assistant chief with the recommendation that the assistant chief should most of the time come from one of the deputies position or the assistant EMA directive position. Um, and that it really should be uh transition and exit plan that uh that

it should be about mentoring and training the individual in case something one happens to the existing chief but two for hopefully being the future chief of the department. Um, so that being said, it what I'd really like to uh present to you is that I'd like to post the assistant chief's position at the department rather than the assistant EMA director's position and require that whoever applies for the assistant chief's position also fills the assistant EMA director's position. um in that their primary purpose I'd like to do it based on letters of interest so that I they have to put down and tell me why and and what they're going to provide for the community and the department and it uh to me they need to meet the chiefs or come very close to meeting the chief's job description if this is supposed to be a transitional position um so deputy chief

I'd like to handle it that way is a deput you have a deputy chief yeah I have two deputies but they interest right now. My two deputies and my insistent EMA director have no interest in moving further. I think we have to be a little bit careful because I think we have I don't think that we can hire for that position with the assumption that they are automatically going to

I don't think we should either because I think we have obligations that we have to post things publicly and and I think you know we no I that should probably be made clear though um it is looking you know it is looking to at least

train train someone so that there could be somebody available but that there There's no to go through the process, but there would be no guarantee, right? That that I just want to make sure that that part's clear that it's not a guaranteed,

right? The town doesn't necessarily have to do the process, but I would agree it should not be a given that hey, whoever gets this position, it's a done deal. They are the next chief. So, is a deputy chief lower than an assistant chief?

Yes. Okay, that's in this case the from my recommendation is really from the two deputies and the assistant EMA director and it may not be in a position that's always staffed, but my recommendation is that as you get close to a transitional point within the department or something like that that you you look at staffing it from one of those three positions. they're already in leadership positions that are focused on a certain aspect of the emergency services within the community and you transition them but into this role. Uh

so to me it's not even a position that always exists. it. To me, it's a position. You may see that as you we progress that there's a need for it to always exist, but to me it's really more about creating a a responsible position to mentor an individual and hopefully prepare them to even if it's not here to be chief.

Well, that's it. I mean, that's what I was going to say is it's still grooming them to be a fire chief whether it's with the town of Durham or not. I mean, it's still attractive for that individual, too. And what is it the anticipated, you know, are you contemplating this as a a full-time position, a part-time position?

No, it actually that's why my recommendation is the way it is is because I I think um we have stipens for the the two deputies and the assistant EMA director. My honest opin opinion is is we leave those stipens just the way they are. This person at least initially gets the same stipen. um if we see that it's a worthwhile endeavor, well then maybe we look at increasing that stipen so that if when the assistant chief's position is activated or utilized, there's a little additional funding to it and stuff. But no, it's a it's just the same as the other positions. It's a volunteer position with the hourly pay and the stipen attached to it. So was was the the current EMA uh assistant EMA

director had the title of a deputy chief as well? Correct. He was responsible he's he was called the assistant EMA director but he was responsible for a respective area within the department. Was he also voted by the uh department like the other two the other two had voted by the department? Correct.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So this this was this one was not voted by the department before. So, so we won't be changing anything. No. And and I got to be honest with you, I took it before the corporation at their last annual meeting. Um, it uh my honest opinion is some of that's tying the hands of the community and the fire chief that the town of Durham should presented. It wasn't necessarily wellreceived. We voted on it. Um but I you know and they're supposed to make bylaw changes which going back in time is actually the things that the board requested that the bylaws come more in line with the job descriptions that the community has established. And my honest opinion and I said this at the annual meeting is that if we don't get those job descriptions or the process within the corporation to come in line with the community. My honest opinion is that the community takes precedence and that much as I'm a corporation guy corporation guy

that to me the the responsibility is to the town of Durham. So you guys requested it to happen and you requested it. I believe it was actually almost two years ago you requested for those bylaw changes so that we never ran into that same situation again. Might have even been three years ago.

Okay. So, um, any any thoughts on do we on this? Uh, no, I'm I'm I'm fine with that. It's going to be basically a dual dual role by the looks and it's whatever the chief wants to do work in progress. He can probably have to if it comes available, it'll be one of the things you got to apply for like everybody else did.

Y makes sense. So, I would in that case, I would make the motion that the uh chief put out internal um he wanted to do this internally. Correct. Yes. Yeah. It's put out internally for an assistant chief who would also fill the role of assistant EMA director.

Second. Any discussion? All in favor? Motion. Thank you, sir. Uh the PDM coverage at the station. I just kind of wanted to Yeah, I'm going to have the report for you, but I I really have to um I guess I'm not I'm in some aspects I'm looking for advice in regard to I guess what you people feel the community is looking for from it. I guess is the community's I guess what I'm trying to say is what I need to know for sure is what the community's expectations of the department are. Because once I know for sure what the community's expectations of the department are, I can I can tell the community what we can provide based on our the staffing and the volunteers and stuff and I can basically can provide that package that we talked about before where if if our expectations are this, this is what we can provide. And then there's several ways we can fill the gap or we can just live with where it is and

stuff like that. So I guess I'm kind of looking for advice. One, I'm trying to keep you appraised of where we're at with stuff, but the other side of it is I'm also looking at advice and maybe how I know what I think. I I know what I not think. I know what I want as a citizen of the town of Durham for emergency services, but I tend to lean more towards

No. Yeah, you wouldn't think so. Who would have thought that, huh? Are you asking about like response times? Well, no, not just time weighs into it. What are your expectations when you call 911? What are we going to provide for services?

What do you expect from What do you expect to arrive at your doorstep when you call 911? Time wise, not just time, but staffing. Um, do you expect qualified staff to transport you to the hospital? Do you expect uh that's something we put out for the public? That's something.

So, you may have I may have a people may have a different answer whether they're responding to my house or my neighbor's house, too. Yeah. especially if they don't like that either. But you know, to me, part of it's got to be estab established based on I can established on it based on generally accepted uh expectations. I guess it my

expectations and uh you know, as a citizen, not as fire chief, but I guess really I got to have that and then I can say this is what we can do. And that's what I've been trying to also get the guys on board with too is uh cuz with I think I've reported this that the not always being able to be there for everything and the staffing issues are actually having kind of a roundabout effect. They're impacting morale because most of these people are are the type of people that feel if they say they're going to do something they have to be there for every single thing. They failed if they're not there for every single thing. And then when they look right at the people around them, their expectations are that the people around them are going to be there for everything. And with the call volume and the expectations, we can't meet it anymore.

Would it make sense to possibly have some sort of a public hearing public or public meeting or something invite to to discuss these things through um I I don't think you get a lot of people that way. If we had if we had a table with some questions at the at the voting

maybe even an electronic survey might actually end up with and having I think people have to at least my sense is that I'm not sure that's a question that people can answer in a vacuum. I think they have to know sort of what the the various options.

Yeah. Well obviously to make a decision going to say immediately if there's an emergency they want immediate competent you know they want the Mayo Clinic on their doorstep. That's well and in reality that's what really is the community we want. That's fine. That's really what I need to establish is as a community. What do we really want? Because I realize um I might want to drive around and uh No, actually I kind of like my truck. So, but I might want to drive around in a certain vehicle or own a certain home. But we all make

Right. And so that's what I'm like people have to figure out what and I need to I need to figure out where people want us to be cuz I know where we're at. And then I need to present a package to you guys, to the the budget committee, and hopefully ultimately to the talent people. I hope they're ultimately the ones that weigh in on the decision because it's, you know, it impacts what we can provide them for service. Maybe we could work with uh Shannon um to to come up with like a uh

oh a public a survey uh survey monkey type thing that we could have a link in our newsletter and on the on the web town page have it open for a certain period of time but work with her as far as what type of questions we we put out there and so on because

how you how you write questions can can often affect the way people answer My sense is people are going to want the best possible service that they can afford. And so that's what I mean about sort of making people aren't necessarily going to understand what

the cost of having metaphor fully staffed 24-hour paid staff at at the department. There's contracting out transport. There's and then there's a sort of a whole spectrum of things in between. And my sense is that that people are going to be seeking to kind of create that balance of what's what's the best service we can afford.

Yep. It but I guess and where's that twofold? I guess to me a survey or quite or whatever we do and then and part of the reason why I keep talking to you guys about it is because I need to make sure the public understands where we are because um so to me the other side of a survey is it doesn't just ask a question about what expectations are. It makes you think about what your expectations are because most of us until we dial 911 we really don't think about what our expectations are. We assume if we dial 911, we're going to get instant response and we are going to have people coming out of the out of the woodwork and stuff. We're gonna have way more than what we want.

I uh I I uh because it's a personal question to everybody, but me, I understand being in a rural area and me living out in the country, I don't expect that. I mean, if I wanted that and I move in city and I move in town if I want that. I mean, that was my my choice to live out here. And uh the quick as you guys can is going to be quick as you guys can. Rad lift is 10, 15, 20 minutes. That's my choice to live out here. Yeah. No, and I that's kind of my point because I think we have a mix of many people move to the town and they don't realize actually a lot of people call the station and assume that the station is staffed or they probably call the town office assuming we have law enforcement and stuff like that. So the expectations across the board is that you don't

different. So I I guess to me this the survey, the meeting or whatever we do is really to get people thinking about what are my expectations because the bottom line is I know what I want but I it shouldn't be established based on what I want. probably be established based on our collective opinion. And then I should give you,

hey, we can keep going the way we are and this is what you get, right? And this step, this step, and I should give you steps to get to where's a collective, a community where we want to be. And there's probably two is there's two things there. There's how long is it going to take to get there? And are we staffing it with somebody that can take care of heart attacks or somebody take care of a broken finger?

Yeah. Yeah. Well, to me, you know, some of the questions need to say, well, hey, your expectations are you're going to, you know, and I would I'm sure that I I know what you call said. Yeah. You're expecting they're going to get there as quick as they can, but when they get there, I'm going to my assumption would be and I would probably feel the same way. If it's an emergency, I'm flustered or my wife's flustered or somebody's flustered and they're expecting a person to show up is topnotch. I I would be surprised if they would

a matter of minutes, maybe even before the call was placed in the first place. No. Yeah. 10 10 minutes when five 10 minutes when you're when you're making a call like that can seem like an awful long eternity. It is an eternity and in all in all honesty even with expectations like you have if I place that call I still want somebody there. I might have moved here knowing what you said you know but I still want I'm kind of hoping well man I hope this is the day they got plenty of people kicking around because I'd really like to have them

only two miles from the station. Come on guys. You knew that and you sold that, but you was hoping that that 15 minutes is really about three or four. Yeah, that's what you want. Realistically though, if people get back to you, what are what are you able to do differently than you're already doing?

Well, I can I can establish a picture B my hon in all honesty, you mentioned 24/7, right? Even though I might be pro public safety, I I still I have that thrifty side. I just can't I could I probably never what I'd represent would never be

right. I was just saying it's it could run the spectrum from you know from um so really to establish where are we as a community more the community may expect not even what I want but rather the 247 stuff that so that I can not that we're going to approve it but so that I can paint that picture in steps that yeah you want 24/7

um two people time 24/7 and but this is what we can give you so here's your steps you know kind of like when you go car shopping. This is the car I really want. This is the car I already got. Where can I go at? Uh do do a lot of your calls uh come in the evenings like late afternoon days?

Yeah, that's that's a kicker. Going back in time 60 to 70% of our call volume is during the daytime. Does it matter if it's during the week or weekends? No, primarily weekdays. We we'll get rashes. Actually weekends is when we have our rashes, our three, four, five call sessions all within a couple hours. It is usually weekends. It's rarely evenings. It's usually weekends, but days,

but it's daytime weekday calls when all of your staff is at work at their right their full regular paying jobs. The fire service is typically um construction workers and and people that work in hands-on trades. So whenever the economy booms, what trades really benefit from the economy? So I'm not saying our economy is booming, but our economy is definitely improved. There aren't a lot of people out there looking for work, hanging around. So Durham's a bedroom community, which is strike two. The our housing costs are up there, which is strike three. Uh yeah,

we uh daytime staffing we even night time is going down but daytime we really struggle especially with everybody working. No. Do do we run into any liability issues um especially especially on the EMS side if if we don't provide

a certain type of response or No, no, we do but we do provide a response. It may not be that 3 minutes you just said you want it. U typically it'll go through a process of two tones and if we can't staff the call then it will or if we can only do because we've actually daytimes I've staffed with um a paramedic I've had a paramedic there at least once and I couldn't come up with a driver um so the paramedic took the end the rescue and did first response to the scene and and called the closest service. It's all set up and there's a fail safe mechanism where actually I'm working on plugging any possible holes in it. Uh because it was set up based on our companies and stuff. So I'm looking at that simultaneously trying to make sure we get all the holes plugged but they basically have a list so that wherever our second due service is in the absence of us having the availability of personnel they're going to call that

second due service. So Okay. And you have to send two out each time. two two people on each call or is it more? I can't do a rescue without two, right? That's what I'm saying. Or is it more than that? I didn't know. No, no, as long as we have two. It depends. Obviously,

they're located. Not just weight. It's not just about weight or size of the individual, but it's also where they're located. Um, you know, you get somebody up on the second, third floor of a narrow winding stairway coming out of a house, three or four people may not be enough. you may not actually be able to get three or four people. So, so depended on two can do it especially if the person is average weight um and easily easily accessible.

So, if you had the the other scenario than you which is more often than not normal three is really most rescues staff with two. Yeah. Okay. Three. Well, if you have three that that's great because then you don't have to worry about somebody putting too much on their back. Any usually you can figure something out.

advice. I I didn't expect you to have answers for me tonight, but I you know, and I can configure things based on my expectations, but I know from what you said, my expectations aren't the same as yours. And I'd be willing to bet if we all sat down and wrote it on a piece of paper, there's probably very few of us in this room that have share the same expectations. We might be close, but I'll bet they're not exactly the same. So, um, it was more trying to define that and try to find out what the average was so that I could make that my optimal and then give it steps to get to that opt.

Yeah. If you ask someone that's 90 years old, 80 years old, what? They're going to be a lot older than mine. Any chance you guys can stay right here? got the coffee on. So anyways, if you guys could ponder that, maybe give me some advice at the future session in regard to how I because otherwise I'm going to structure it based on my expectations and I know my expectations are not shared by everyone.

No, but you are fire chief and the most qualified to u to do those things, but boy, I'd like to think so. Huh. Do you mind to understand it? You're the uh president of the Maine State Firefighters Association or is that are are you in that affiliate group again?

Yes. What? Are you the president of the main state firefighter association? No. No. Nope. That firefighters is uh Ken Desmond. Gotcha. But you are fire is after actually Ken Bryant. I'm the the treasurer for Maine Fire Chiefs Association. I saw your name come across.

Money. I like money. Yeah. All right. It's not always mine, but I like money. It I'm treasurer. Ken Brilliant, the chief of Brunswick, is actually the president. He's actually heard you were president of the fire chiefs association.

The truck 24. Which truck is that? Ladder. Ladder. The ladder didn't start. No. No. And it was a battery for the lawnmower battery. It It was back in the vintage when they were still putting in the lawnmower battery to isolate the control module of the computer. Yep. That's what it ended up being.

Anything else for us? Nope. That was it. All right. Thank you. Thanks, Chief. Thank you. Have a good evening. You too. Oh, hey, Bill. See you later. Has that been dug? Is Has that Has that been dug safe over there? Dig safe.

Dig safe. Yeah, dug. Dig. Do you have to dig safe over in front of the bond? Yeah. Yeah, it has. I would assume we have to. Right. Well, I mean I I didn't know it already had been. No. No. Okay. No. I just The contract takes it out.

I would assume. Don't for any kind of digging. Don't you have to do it? Anything for mailbox? You want to put a mailbox on the road? You can put a dig safe. Yeah. Yeah. So, I didn't know if you had done that prior to lines. The only wine I know of is actually the the drain.

We still have the Yeah. Some Yeah. I was just curious. I didn't know where you've been thrashing around doing stuff if you'd done that. So that's okay. That was just a curiosity question. Did you get one? You know, I made this.

That's good. Well, when I get around, I'll see what I got left. we're at with the bonds for the road bonds. looking good, are we? Looking good. Looks like we are. But we're going to be right right there. Right on. Is there another coat going on on Runaround Pond Road?

Yeah. We'll put that on next spring. We're going to get the rubber road this year since it's all ditched and ready to rock and roll. I'm going to try to let it sit. I'm going to let it sit just to see if we need to move.

We're going to be locked in the same price. So, we ain't going to jack the price up on us. I mean, we only got so much money there, you know. Should we jump now or what? And the cheapest is right now, this time of year. Yeah.

I don't want next year have a golf on us and we're ready to rock and roll this year. Yeah. Well, our winter. If it moves, from what I'm told, it's not much, but that's a risk you always take of letting it set. But I just don't want to run out of money either. I don't want you to come to me and say, "We're we're $10,000 short. We could have done it last year for the price at this and we didn't do it."

Well, well, but me cuz I got guys running roads up in Lisbon. We're doing both coats. We're winding it to it. Let me uh I know Rival Road's all ditched, right? So, she's ready for the second coat. Well, cuz if sometimes things move and it's good chance to things didn't get compacted right or something and you find a spot, it's a good chance to you can get cover that all up. So, it works good for us and in I don't know last year and everybody recommends it. So, um I don't know. Let me get the pro project done. I've been functioning my teeth. Um, let me get the project done and we'll look at it and see if we want to uh do it or we'll let me make the decision time.

Okay. Um training [Applause] that comes around. Uh, yep. Awesome. Don't blame him. Uh, yeah. I still want I don't want to go to Bangor. So, what is this? That's That's Mhm. Yep. Yeah, might want to go to that. That's easy. That's why I was late getting here. I had to shovel those holes, put those uh sign posts in.

Rest rest of the crew rest of the crew went home. So, I was over there by myself. Wow. And And you donated this then? Photoshop. How long did it take you to play with the Photoshop? I didn't do it. I took a picture and sent it to them and asked them to do a photo sim. So that's what it looked like. This um

came out with um orange do it now. Uh sign going to hold up to the to the snow uh snow plow cuz got cleaned out in Lisbon. Yep. And we also had to set our post back so much the state said it was okay where we wanted to put it.

Awesome. So, I don't know if we're less hurried in 2016 than we were back in 19. I was going to ask, have you seen him driving on our roads? I saw that uh somewhere. Um you don't know where that comes from. Let's say your life is a little less. Where did that come from?

I saw it somewhere when I was looking up the town of Durham. In the past, there was some sign had on it. No, I've never heard of that. Well, life used to be a little less. Well, anyway, you put what you want. Yeah. No, that that's fine.

Where you can go any speed you want. I don't think we need to tell them that. They already know it now. So, that's granite on each side. Mhm. No wonder it took you so long to put them in. Nice and straight, too. So, uh, I had, uh, now that it's orange. Obviously, it would be gold, not orange. But, uh, I had, uh, Paul call, um, the sign company. They're the same company that did the, um, public works. And think this would be thinks it would be around $2,500

for everything we see in here for the sign. His um, well, the sign, not the grant post, right? Is that gold metal flake? I don't know. Yeah, I think I think it's it's what do you call it? Gold. Yeah, it's it's um it's gold gold inlay.

Gold white. It comes on a little sheet of paper, real thin, and they just they press it on. Yeah, I know how it's done. I've seen it done. But they're also going to uh carve it. Carve it. Thank you. What kind of warranty we got with the sign? How long do they say?

I know. They did your signs. They did. They do all They do them all. Yep. Yep. So, I don't know. I sent her the picture and said, "Could you please?" Yep. Right behind that Durham sign is the spray paint graffiti that says no parking.

Yep. So, she covered it up with a But that's exactly where it would sit. It looks exactly like our signs in Lisbon. If you guys want to see Grant Post and everything, go drive through 196 in Lisbon. Anyway, worry about that is people get awful tempted to spray paint that rock there. Are they going to, you know, are they going to spray paint the

need to give people ideas? Oh, nice. I didn't give him the idea to spray paint the rock. Reviewing your misfed It has. Yeah, they have. My sign over there has lasted. So you see the um correspondence um the dot that'll be fine. Do we the question is I do we even have it do we have it that we could do it this year or is this something that we'd have to do some other year?

We have the money we have the funds and where would we take it out of? Well, you have to I say put it on top of the rock. That is That's why I said just get an artist to do a whole mural to the town. The reason we can't do that is the ice.

The rock builds up in ice. Yeah. Yeah. Quite quite a bit. Somebody Somebody had a suggest somebody actually towns person actually suggest had a suggestion on the on the ground up above and so on. So, everybody's craning their neck as they're going. They at least they wouldn't drive into our sign. They drive into the

That's right. the signed. What was it for the price again for that sign? I think 2500. 2500 for that was a ballpark. Then we got two granite post. Well, I can put those in wood. I can do granite. I can grate wood never rot. Wood rots. Granite don't.

Well, we'd have to put it 6 ft high because uh the snow bank. Yep. So, so you're looking at Yeah. Six and four. Yep. Putters on. That's 15 ft off the road. it doesn't say $3,000 probably by the time you're done. Probably more than that if you're going to use them post. Let's say they're going to be 10 ft tall.

I mean, you could put um um like incorporated what year? Whatever. I'm sorry. I think that's probably Yeah. Yeah. incorporated 1789 or something like that. It would be I think that would be better than with that. But back to the to the funding of this. Is this something we got or is this something we could ask for the town on on the floor?

Well, we could discuss that. Is at least you can see what it looks like. Yeah. Yeah. It's Calvin's budget, not mine. I'm not assuming probably don't advertise it. We didn't put it in there. Yeah. There's not enough money. Unless there was some

leftover runaround pond money. I think it's nice and it's it's nice to have. I don't think you can do that. I could take it. I I could see what I'll see what we can go. I might have enough in my signed budget. Okay. See what we can do if you if you ain't and we're going to have to put it in next year's budget and do

I think it would look nice if Yeah, it look nice to have it up there. I mean, we make you make some c some brownie points with that one. Yeah. I don't know why it came out orange, but it should be gold. Apparently the printer didn't realize it.

Gold looks different on paper. Okay, that um so the roofer has agreed to the 29. He's coming down uh later this week to go over it with me. And um I faxed it to him. He said he didn't get the facts and I don't know there's something screwed up with our facts. It's a second person that didn't get it, but I've got a receipt says it went through. So, um I checked his references and they're um they were perfect. So, public works directors and school administrators all said it was said he was perfect. So, nobody had anything bad to say about him. Um,

rope. This summer we started getting holes in the road and so I went and looked at it and apparently there's no bottom of the pipes and the gravel was just going down in between them and so I think um that what triggered it was the uh when we shimmed it for the chip

seal vibrate. I think the vibration must have must have been just holding on by finish it off. Yeah, probably. And now all of a sudden we're having holes shot. So I met with the engineer. I'm waiting for his report to come out.

get some gum. Stick it in there for you. Well, I just had a new bridge put in that didn't work too well. Yeah. Um, Wait back. We wait for the report on that one. Yep. What's a ballpark to to fix that? Don't know until I get to that report what he wants to do.

Fire truck's almost ready. Yep. Be here in probably next week. How they how they what they do with the ladder? They built ladder inside and outside. Is that something we should have on the other trucks? We should put on at some point

at least at least the new the ones we're not going to be getting rid of in the next couple of years. Right. Right. That's what that's what I mean. Yeah. probably have Scott Wel. Yeah. Thank you. Um, rather than there a time that we could could could meet because we need to meet with with our with our attorney um at some point between now and uh the end of next week so that we can uh discuss.

I don't need to do that. No, you don't need to do that. We don't want we don't mean to do that. Can you show Mike? So is there a time that we could That's what I'm going to say. I just I just say I don't I just went with Mike Stewart.

Whatever he said. All right. So is there a time that we that we could meet is uh could we do like uh we could do next Tuesday? Next Tuesday evening. Uh 6 5:30. No. Tuesday at 6. Tuesday at 6. Uh does that work for you? Y.

All right. So, we'll see if see if that works for the attorney. Okay. You still you said you couldn't make that. I can't make the 30th. 9:00 a.m. on the 30th. Yeah. So, you don't want me at that date, but that's still the date. Yeah.

Yes. I mean, I can still meet with the attorney and just tell them what you'll do. The minute What's that? What's that date? Discussing Tuesday. Oh, the date for the 27th. 27th. All right. So there'll be regular selectments meetings here at the town office. Tuesday, October 4th at 6:30, Tuesday, October 18th at 6:30.

that we need? It's not useful to guess. I move tojourn. Second. All in favor? Motion carries. Please