TranscriptSelect Board Meeting ~ July 25, 2017

We good? Okay. I'll call this meeting of the board of selections to order. Stand for the pledge of allegiance, please. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Uh, any amendments to the agenda from any of the selectmen? Uh, did we get a copy of the agenda? Just got an email. Sorry, I emailed them today. So, I didn't check your Well, number two. Thank you. Number two. Yes, we did number two.

Yes. Thank you. Anybody else? Okay. No other amendments. Okay. Uh public comment I think is Cedar Pond Road is when we plan on having the gentleman from all state talk. Is that okay? So any other I also got the comment from

Right. I think we do it all under one. Okay. All right. All under the heading of seed upon. Yep. Okay. So no public comment tonight. Okay. Uh consent agenda. Is there a motion on the consent agenda? Move that we accept the consent agenda as presented.

I'll second it. Any discussion on that? All in favor? All right. Unanimous. Good. Action items. Cedar Pond Road. So, I think we have a couple of topics under that broader heading and um we have a guest with us tonight. If you want to come up to the table and he's going to um we've received some comments from the public about um the work on Cedar Pond Road and the material used, mainly, you know, cold mix versus I don't know. I'm not a road guy, but regular asphalt or whatever. So, I guess you're here tonight to educate us a little bit about on about that product and it's uh and why it was appropriate for that job.

Okay. All right. So, cold mix, it's been around a long time. And the ingredients that are in cold mix are the exact same ingredients that's in hot mix. You have sand, rock, liquid asphalt, and sometimes, you know, you get a little dust in there too with everything. The big difference in the production of it is one's made cold, the other one's made hot. So where are they appropriate? So

cold mix when you have a road that's very fatigued, rudded, and cracked, cold mix is your better product there because it's more flexible. Okay? It's um it's I don't want to get too technical with you, but the air voids in cold mix are less than they are with hot mix. Okay? So if you have if you put hot mix on a road that's fatigued, it's got moderate cracking, moderate ruting, doesn't have to be, you know, terrible road. If you put hot mix on it, because it cools and it's rigid, you'll get reflective cracking up there much quicker than you would with a cold mix cuz cold mix is a lot less um rigid.

It's more flexible, so it's more resistant to that that cracking. So when you have a road such as Ceda pond or stack pole uh comix um is a better option in lie of any kind of like reclaiming. Okay. And that's and it's been it's been around a long time.

So a couple of the complaints that I that I received one was that um someone took a picture and showed that we were filling ruts almost 7 in in deep in some areas. And then another is even last week I think the the uh trash truck is still leaving ruts. Is that is that going to stop? Is that going to come out of it? Like what's what can we expect for a final product?

Over time the cold mix will stiffen up. When it's fresh, it's going to remain soft and you've probably seen it get marred with tires and that sort of thing. So over time when the light ends come out of that asphalt, she will stiffen up. But you do have to seal it and you got a year to two years to seal a cold mix product. And I believe we're chip sealing that road this year.

24th. The 24th. Yeah. So you're going to put a chip seal on that and that's going to give you a a riding surface on top of that coal mix. So it it will it will go away. Did we fill ruts that were 7 in deep in spots? I mean, was that just one spot? And is it going to be okay? Yeah, there was one spot in which I took Jerry and uh and and

Sean Sean down to look at the day before they got there and said, you know, this it kind of fell apart on us a little bit when we were ditching because there was no ditch there. So, I put a ditch there. There never was a ditch there before. So, now it's drained. Uh it there was a bit of a rough there, but you know, when I evaluate a road, I have to look at the road as a whole. I got to say, okay, this road is if I went in and said this 10 feet, we're going to do this and this 100 ft. Actually, this is a shimolelay candidate. It's cold mix candidate. It's a hot mix candidate or it's a reclaimed I can't micromanage. So, yeah, there was a spot and we looked at that and said, you know, we've got reps that we have filled in that are double that. I mean, they were like ripping the oil paints off cars that we filled in three years ago that are still performing perfectly upon Davis Road and all through Pom. So, so based on

what we've seen, we've got it a lot deeper than that. That little 50ft piece or whatever, you know, if worse to worse, if we have to, we can always cut it out and repair it later or we do it now. It's difference like 200 bucks. But for the sake of doing business, we have to keep these guys moving.

So, that was And then price-wise, like generally, how does cold mix compared to hot mix? Cuz that was it's less. It's it's it's it's usually less because you don't have that heating cost of hot mix. When you fire up that drum and you start heating up the sand and the aggots and the hot mix, that's an added cost. Coal mix is made out of a pug mill. So, whatever the ambient temperature is is what it what it's made with. So, you save on that end of it.

Is there a certain range of ambient temperature that you need to make it? Uh, we do it in the summertime, so you can do it pretty much anytime. So one thing that I want to try to make you all understand is you have the product and both products are very good products. I mean All State sells hot mix. We have two plants. We make it all day long. We sell it all day long. Okay. So it's not so much the product is important but what's probably more important is what you put that product on.

Yeah. So on a road like Ceda pond, you co, you know, if you had put hot mix on that and I had someone told me that you were going to do that, I would try to encourage you not to do that because when you compact that hot mix, it's going to get rigid and you're going to get those cracks coming up in in no time. And I think what you're going to find on cedar pond with that cold mix is that that cracking is going to be delayed. And when you can delay that cracking, you delay the water getting back into that road. And that's really what we're trying to do. We're trying to seal that road for you. And another thing to consider when you're making these decisions about what you're doing out there on the road is traffic volume. If you have less than 500 vehicles a day and you got a product that you can put down for x amount of tons, I mean x amount of money per ton and then you've got another product that's going to be

much much more. What what decision do you make? I mean, it's you're serving 500 or less cars a day. Not that the people that live on that road's any less important, but when you're talking about budgets and and stretching the dollar, you know, you take a road that's got 3,3500 vehicles, all states wouldn't have recommended a cold mix on that.

Okay. So, part cuz part of me I've been sitting here thinking until you said that like, well, why would you ever use hot mix? It sounds like cold mix is wonder material, right? So, that that that makes a lot of sense. So, do you have when you first put the cold mix down, does there need to be any, like you know, Rob mentioned the trash truck, does there need to be any vehicle weight restrictions for a period of time or anything like that?

No. Um, when you put cold mix down, typically you can't put it down any less than an inch and a half because because it's cold, it'll drag behind the screed. Okay? And then it'll stop pulling if you go less than an inch and a half. Inch and a half, you could pretty much put it down just like any normal uh pavement. So it, you know,

so yeah, I I have um just two questions. One, just out of curious, how come most people don't You can answer these both sometimes and I'll shut up. How come most people don't use that in their driveway if it's cheaper? Because of the way you turn your tires, it's going to it's going to mar it all up. It's going to

Okay. All right. Fair enough. And then my question, and this might not be to you, it might be to Calvin. Um the transition from Country Lane to Ceda Pond Road is I don't know 3 in. I I would think once that plow truck hits that thing, you're going to have a serious problem on your hands.

We went and looked at that Jerry. I was still waiting to see if I thought maybe I could get a load with the Wheeler and just take down and see if I could put an apron in there. It just looks like it needs to be shimmed down.

Yeah, you need that's called an apron. It just needs to have sort of that apron and and you're probably right when whenever you get into big lifts like that. Yeah. Whether it's driveways or joining streets, they need to be addressed. Typically on a road that has gravel driveways,

right? And a lot of the work we do, we work it out with the town to go in there and put some gravel down to kind of match it in. Um I I happen to be the one that was behind the the trash truck. Mhm. And I think what happened was because he didn't leave those marks. He left them, you know, right there. But I think what happened is just, you know, like pause of traction, you know, he's trying to get up over this lip and his tires are just engaged on that hot that cold mix and it just tore it up.

You know, if I didn't know what I knew and I thought that was hot mix, I'd have the same concerns. So, it's not, you know, I don't I mean, COMI mix is COMX is a much more flexible product. So when you put it on a road like that, you're just going to get a better performance out of the cold mix than you would a a hot mix at a lower cost to boo.

Could you just tell us what the gypsal once you gip sealed that? What happens after that once it's gypseal? Well, what So have you had chip seals done in this town before? So you know all about the stone that's going to be on there and

when we apply. So what happens is there's an emotion truck, a spray truck that will spray right on top of that co mix, right? And then behind that is a chip sprry and it'll drop really hard 3/8 inch stone and that'll set into that emulsion and it takes about it's a rapid set. So it'll cure. You can drive right on it almost a afterwards. In about 2 or

3 days we're going to have you sweep it. And once you sweep it it's going to be a little coarse. It's going to be a little loud. But after one plow season, your regular person that doesn't know much about roads is going to think that's asphalt, a regular paved road,

because it'll make it hard and stiffen up. Yeah, it's hard. That rock is really hard. It's almost like a crust on it. It seals the road. You know what like ice and water shield looks like? That emotion almost acts like that.

It really holds the road together and seals it really nice. So moving your tires like if it was in my driveway wouldn't be an issue. Well, if you if Well, it it's soft for the first 48 hours. It's not that soft, but if somebody gets out there and wants to burn tires on it, they're going to they're going to m it up.

I get that. You're going to do that with any road. I get that. Especially if it's warm outside. Right. Right. Once it's set in there pretty hard and they try to do that, it's hard on the tires. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. I was looking at your your gyps almost like, for lack of better words, like the epoxy. You know, it's a two-part process and you put the epoxy to it.

That's not a bad analogy. Okay. So, that's why I was curious if I if I put the epoxy and I harden up and it's stiff. I still don't get why I wouldn't be able to use it in my driveway. Well, parking lots with chip seals just because of the turning of the tires and stuff. You will once that rock gets set in there, it's made to kind of like drive over and not like turn cuz you will pop stones.

Okay. Eventually with tires, especially if you got some good meaty tread. Yep. in a heavy truck or something, it's gonna it's going to pop those stones and you really want to keep those stones oriented right right there. So, it's just best to to drive on it. But I tell you, the town of Breamman,

they they paid they we chip sealed their parking lot and we advised against it. But they they're so happy with the results of the chip seals. They said, "Do our parking lot." Probably if you if you backed in and drove out for those three or four days to pack that in without turning around, it might not do what he was saying. Yeah, I was it was just more this was more for my own curiosity. I was you know I got and

looking to do your driveway. You never know. I was looking to do something. Yeah. And and two I I just want to be clear, you know, hot mix is a really good product. It's it's a I mean it's the golden standard really. So depending on what you're putting then if you've got a nice base, say you're rebuilding a road and you've got a nice base, you built it up, you got your inch minus down, you've got it compacted it, I mean you're really rebuilding it, hot mix is the is the choice. You put down 2 and 1/2

Mhm. and then you put an inch and a quarter of surface on that of hot mix. Now you've got your 3 and 1/2 4 in of structure there. Now you're into the pavement preservation mode. And that's what chip seals does for you. When that road gets oxidized, and what I mean by oxidiz is it turns gray and it's and it's just starting to crack, you put a chip seal on there. A chip seal a mile long, 20 foot wide is going to cost about 28 grand. Okay? So, it it's it's

really about payment preservation. It just happened to be that CEDA pond was beyond that. So, what do you do? You know, you've got you only got a few choices and the most economical choice for the amount of volume on that road we thought was coal mix and a chip seal. Fair.

Jerry, how many years of experience do you have in roads and pavements working with town? Um, yeah, a little bit about me. Um, so before I went to work for All States, I worked for the DOT for 17 years and um, my role there was the program manager for the main local road center. So what I did was I um managed

the training programs for the municipalities who targeted mostly public works and probably my claim to fame there is I rebuilt a road surface management system software software package that helps town maintain their roads. So I've got you know I used to teach paving classes and all kinds of different classes. So, you've got 18 years of experience,

right? And I got a fair amount and it's more than us. More than me, you know, and I do I I really do understand why folks saw that if they were thinking it was hot mix. I don't blame them for asking the questions that they asked.

Well, we do a better job of letting people know what's happening. And I think we as a company might be able to help you with that, too. I mean, because we know the product really well and uh Yeah. Well, that's part of tonight. Hopefully, people are watching tonight and now they have an understanding and then they tell their neighbors and it word spreads, you know. And yeah, and I think if you ever get into doing some cost comparisons to what what we did on Cedar Pond to versus doing hot mix or or reclaiming it or something like that, I think you'll be surprised at the at the difference because it's we we saved you super super money. I I think on my

I shouldn't say save because town I think on on my road I don't think we get the uh coal mix cuz it wasn't a road. It wasn't the same, right? Yes. Cuz it was like you said it was different and it wasn't Yeah. Yeah. If you've got I mean it it really depends again what you're putting that whatever you're using for a product what you're putting on really matters. I don't know what your road look like but if it was just

light light cracking light ring you know you could get you could get away with hot mix cuz you can you put 3/4 of an inch do you know Calvin was it 3/4 shim on his road? That's that's big. That's typically with hot mix, you don't really want to go any more than a 3/4 shim,

right? Hot mix is the like I said, it's it's you know, it's a good product, but if you're going to go more than 3/4, then you know, you might as well shim it with 3/4 and then put another inch on top of that, but then you really have an inch and 3/4. So, when you run those numbers against the coal mix and a chip seal,

um, you're getting a you're going to get a little bit better performance out of the coal mix just because of how flexible it remains. This that end was definitely in better shape than the other end that you're doing now by a lot. So, that's that's the difference.

Yeah. And uh, one one other point, if I don't know how many of you get, you know, past Bangor North, but if you ever go on the Golden Road, been there. Yeah. many times. Yeah. The Well, coming out of Milaninoet. Mhm. That's Cole mix and they're running some big boys across that.

So, that that that hardened up really nice like by Big Eddie in that area. Yeah. Um, you know, when just when you come into I'm not real familiar with all the little landmarks up there, but I do know like I think it's the first 30 miles or something like that.

Yeah. Everything up that part of the country is heavy. Right. Right. Right. what I've seen. Um, so I I believe the the finished product will look better and I believe the performance you'll will be will be good. Okay. I really do.

Y So, okay. Thanks, Jerry. Thank you very much. You're welcome. Anytime. Anyone have any questions? I'll All right. I appreciate it. Yeah. If you wouldn't mind if you had a couple cards on you, could you leave some out there?

Yeah. Let me go I'll go grab some now. Absolutely. So, still on Cedar Pond Road. Different topic though, Jerry. Um I know Rob you had something you wanted to to bring up. Yeah. Well, um Mike Burggeron attended our meeting um a well, of

course, I've lost the letter that he sent me. Um but he attended our meeting two weeks ago and with respects to putting a culvert across Cedar Pond Road and I have since talked to him a couple of times. um have walked the property. Um

you know, he he had a so he wrote us another letter. Calvin, have you seen the letter? The latest one. I did the email. The email. It's attached. Okay. Um so essentially they're requesting that um they accept the fact that their basement is low and so forth and um but they do feel that where we ditch the roads that flow is going to increase which you know hopefully it does actually that's

well actually it won't. All we've done is we the same amount of water is going down there. your sister. We've taken it from running down the pavement and just lowered where that's we've taken it from this elevation and moved it to this elevation. But it's the same water course, same water.

Well, tall grass and stuff, you know, that can slow down flows and stuff back. So, you'll have grass that tall by the next spring. So, that's one of the questions, but he he essentially asked if the town would install a culvert across the road before we do the chip ceiling. They've offered to pay for the cost of the culvert. Um,

I said, you know, I'll bring it up to the board. I don't I'm not 100% sure how I feel. I mean, it is it's not really affecting the road. So, that's something we have to look at. Is it a solution that works for everybody possibly? Um, so I said I'd bring it up, see what see what everyone thought. And

if if we put that cover across and it moves that water somewhere else, what's going to happen then? All I will say is I learned my lesson up in Dicksfield. We listened to this guy. We went to went in and we paved and he says, "Well, now I'm getting water here." So, we went in there to appease him and we did something to his driveway and it became a giraffe and a sore throat. Once you do

That's a new one. Yeah, that is a new one. I mean, once you touch it, where's the end? It's like, well, now that's your fault cuz you did this. You know, even though we were trying to help him, even though we're trying to help him, we were two years later every year we were there because everything we did had, you know, consequences that

to Mark's point, didn't you mention that if we if we add a culvert that it brings in uh D water flow studies or something like that? I'm going to check with the engineer again today just to ask him and he said no you're outside of your you know we can replace existing coverts in kind with no problem but once you start he said you're talking at 50% volume increase he said and how we came up with that number of two 18s you're adding an 18 I would have thought 33 but he said it's 50 so

well well the existing is 24 I think 24 yeah and we were talking about adding an 18 so it's really just an overflow Oh yeah. So I think yeah he just said you know you're you're he doesn't think it will solve the problem but

he thinks that we still have to go because I don't know the permitting thing is and as I say I have this past experience that always we tend to learn from my mistakes like next time I do I'll make sure I do a mailing before

I know we had something similar with a tree last year with and it was we managed to get through it but It was kind of a pain and it was actually the tree was on our property so it was really nothing that they could do but we was trying to work with them to make it happen and not take this tree that right in the middle of the dish had to go. So I I'm hesitant to to add this

in there when it's never been there and and then end up causing a bigger problem that we've got to go back and change it on the other side somewhere or take it back out and and I'm just hesitant of doing that. I mean, at the very least, I want to get through it. I want to go through the permitting process. Do the

I always take the adage of what came first, the chicken or the egg. We don't know. I think we do know. The road was the road was there first. The road was the road was there first. So, we the the the builder, someone had an obligation to know what the waterhed for that particular property. I don't know if your permits included, but you're supposed to show your water for where your property water is going to go and storm management water and so forth on your permits, you know. So, I I think the burden was placed on whoever built that house to make sure that they could build the house and what was there for the property, but he's a wonderful man. Um,

well, I'd love to help him. I'd love to. ditto. But I don't I I just don't I honestly believe and it's my own personal thing simply because I built right across the street from him. I don't think you'll solve his water in his basement.

I'm not convinced either. And the thing is is now the next thing and I just throw this out there next year. I get a call from somebody whose cows had a spring hole upstream and now all of a sudden they can't get even though it could be totally unrelatable. Right. This is so you put this cover in and never had problem before which could have been his cow hole would have gone dry anyway but I

is there anything more can we put check dams in the ditch to the the flow I've looked at the flow and his culverts are the same size as the ones crossing the road and yes the ones on the road are a little bit longer but it's not a reduction of in flow of not very much anyway with open channel smooth boore pipe So the flooding really looks like it occurs when it comes from down the hill and it meets at where the road cover comes. So you've got the stream that flows across their property through their neighbors driveway and then it crosses the road and then you've got more ditching that comes from further up the road which we've ditched and it looks great. Can we put some check dams in there or something that would slow it

that might help in that case? I mean, if it pours, it's going to flow over the check dams anyway. But yeah, I'm just wondering if there's some small thing like that that we can at least try to slow that flow down so that the road covers can handle what's coming. Not a guarantee, but

yeah. What would it cost him as a homeowner to put those culvers in for say just on a just a ballpark? Well, if he was to apply to D and Army, get his permits and have a contractor to do that, it would be up to you to say either allow him or not allow him to do that, right? He wanted to do that, he could that would be an option.

No, I understand. But what what type of money are we talking to do? He's probably looking at 8,000 five,000. So 5 to 8 grand or permitting and everything. Okay. Is that with the culbert and the work going in the road and the rip wrap and

Okay, that's probably five grand. That was my estimate. I mean, just looking at it. And I I don't think he would actually be able to get the permit because he's he's not the property owner. We would have to do it on his behalf and he would have to cover all the costs

essentially. And you know, just if we were going to do I don't that would that would that permitting process would that involve looking at okay if we put this in where's this water going to go and what are the implications of that?

Right. Is he liable or are we liable? Yeah. Does it does it does it even look at answering those questions cuz I know even if we got that far I'm not comfortable saying go forward unless we have some solid answers to well what what are the implications of sending that water somewhere else like upream. What's downream? I'm assuming it goes around the back of your house and then down to

Well, actually, that lot, my house actually stops right around where his is, but I do own that lot also behind there. So, that your culverts feed into a creek that actually winds all through the back. It used to be Randy Crab's property, but I think it's recently been sold, so I don't know who owns it now. But, I don't know what impact you'll have by increasing more water in there. I honestly couldn't tell you.

Maybe nothing. I don't I don't know the answer. Maybe nothing. Yeah, it all flows. It might all flow right to the river to be honest with you. Right. Right. Yeah. Already. And what we're talking about is not a culvert. Not changing the stream crossing of the road. We're talking about adding a culvert on the uphill side to intercept what's coming down the road so it doesn't go into the stream.

Wait, then I'm confused. You're not talking about digging up the road and add adding another culvert. Yes, but just to intercept the Well, just to intercept what comes down. Yeah. You got a marker? Yeah. Hold on one second.

Thank you very much. Yes, that was a big help. That was fantastic. Thank you very much. Thank you. when you stretch it, get my get up against you. You go. the the end concern I have is who would be responsible if even if he got all the permits and he paid for it down the road if something happens is he responsible or we are

and that's what I want to well yeah I mean I'm not a lawyer but I think if we allow a citizen to make a change to a town but we're ultimately on the hook driveway exactly this way no his driveway is going to be right here

okay okay we're colorcoded Yes. So, okay. So, this is Rich and that's Country That's Country Lane right there. Country Lane. Okay. And then this is Berseron somewhere in here. And this is another neighbor, which also has a culvert. So, this little stream essentially goes flows like this and it kind of goes like this and then like that. Okay. Right now, there's two 24inch culverts

right here at Mr. Berseron's house. There are two 24-in culverts right here at the neighbor's house or road. It's a dirt road. I thought he went up at three. Didn't he I didn't see three anyway. Yeah, I didn't either. And then looked at it.

Town has two 24inch carts right here. Okay. And this stream flows to this collard. And this is where it does back up, which eventually will back up all the way to his property. And his house is down here. Why does it back up?

And his basement is low and it will back up. Okay. So, what we're talking what he's asking what is there's also this is the low point in the road. So, there's a whole ditch line that comes to here and gets added to this flow. And that's really what's causing the backup. It's not the stream itself. It's not the fact that the road culverts can't handle what's coming from here and here. They're these are smooth boore culvers. They should be able to handle it. It's it's this added flow from the ditch. So the thought is can you intercept that with a 12 or 18 inch coverver up here. You don't do anything in the stream. The ditch line the the water from the ditch line crosses up here and then it rejoins the stream.

So it's going to the same place. I don't know if I would have I would have to have a drainage ement from whoever owns that land we're dumping water onto. No, but that's why we can't add color. We're talking We're talking 10 ft though. You know, it's same

10 ft. Oh, you and raised above the stream bed. So, you're not in and it's not I don't even know if it is a name stream. So, I am look it is so you've asked about, you know, so could you get the permit? I'm sure you could. Is there a cost to it? You know, just so everyone explains, like I said, it may not may not no guarantees it's going to work.

So, you're going to get the same amount of water going across the road. It's just exactly it could be it could be a different way. So, Rob at his house, his daylight's on his thing and he has somewhat of a what do you what kind of dam would you call it? It's not

a burm. A burm. He has a burm. So, is the water actually cresting over that burm getting into his house and that's what's causing the issue? I think that's the case. That's what it looks like to me. Really? It's It's a classic in my opinion. I'm not high.

It's a classic example of somebody put a walk out in an area that shouldn't have had a walk out. No, everybody seen. And you can tell cuz stream level is groundwater, right? And so you can tell his house is just barely above it and it's August. He's in the mix when when the snow comes like last year and then when we get a nice wet April or something and all that snow on the ground and it starts pouring and that massive rain and water rise and the water table rises. I don't I don't know how you would ever I did one up on the new Glassro 22 years ago and that would have been the same thing if we would have gone deeper. What we ended up doing is just basically scratching this corner here, maybe taking off 6 or 8 in and then dug here. But we had to fill in around it. That's what he should have done there. He should have kept it filled in around it.

What if he added another some type of ditch here that branched off of this that got more water down into this ditch? I think it's just going to still ultimately cuz this flows that ditch line still flows down. This is all nice and grass and this is kind of a ditch line that he has right in the middle of his house. What if he created an extension of this ditch line down to this?

I don't know where that goes. Water's going to go the same place cuz that water will still flow down to that. I was just saying so it could alleviate the pressure here and get this out of here quicker. That's all I was thinking.

Yeah, I I don't think it will go that direction. I think it's higher elevation. I I'd have to look at it for it, but like I said, I think at at the minimum we could probably throw some check dams here to throw to flow this to slow this flow down. There is probably a little bit of backhoe work we could do to shape the inlet of these culverts a little better.

Um to try to give that an open mouth. Um you know you have to still ditch from Country Lane up Cedar Pond. You know get get that mouth nice and open on the culvert so that the water is smooth. You get laminer flow going into the culvert. It'll take a little bit more water. Throw some check dams in there. I mean that's something we can do at little cost. I don't

we're just throwing that out there. So you're not you're not going to ditch from country lane down on that road? No. On that side? No. No, it's already it's already there. It's what? It's already that much deeper than the road. So I went what I do is I go down through look at areas that aren't draining. I look at the pavement and if the pavement is breaking all up then I know we don't.

All I was telling you is and I it's a discussion for another day. We can have it off. that ditching from Country Lane down only because once that fills up only from my I can see it from my that that water actually crust that road. So I don't know how you come up with that ditching cuz there's water in the road during the I mean I mean I drive it every single day.

It runs up onto the road. It can. So if my house is here, Mhm. Okay. So, my my foundation drain actually shoots here. And you'll see like a little ditch that was there before I even bought it. That ditch will fill and just come right out to this road.

is much lower. Check the transit. Now, maybe it's just where where yours goes into that ditch is actually probably I don't know 20 180 maybe 200 feet from that road. I should check it out. I guess look it up. So I kind of like Rob's thought that that might be

waterfalls. Yeah, slow it down. It's still going to go there, but man, I don't I don't hate to have to go the other that can be done without permits. I guess is how does the board feel about I mean granted I mean nothing's free so there there would be some expense to having the crew go out and put check dams in and open up that mouth or or people

what would that cost okay with the check dams I think the town should probably take care of that on their own as far as adding adding the uh uh the covers no we're not talking about that we're talking about like the check dams and the little bit of backho work that Rob mentioned like Maybe widening the mouse where at the entrance of the culverts. What? I

half a day. I mean, I think we could take care of that easily. So, is the board comfortable with that? I am. We just Yeah, I would agree with that. So, 150 grand on the road. And then the real the reality is is that if if they want to cover it across the road, you know, we wouldn't stop them, but they're going to it's going to be all

Well, we might, right? Well, they they would have to go through the permitting process and everything themselves. Yeah. Yeah. So, it would have to come before the board and they would have to, you know, do the research and studies and the permitting and all that. So, Okay.

You would think it'd be easier to reconfigure his foundation. Awesome. So, you want me to respond to him with that and copy everybody or how does how does that work? Why don't or um or should Calvin respond like see you know this is you know

I could respond to Rob and you could send it back to where that's been where that's been the conduit's coming that way of that. Yep. Yeah. I don't want messing up my knee. And actually to clarify, it was his wife Christy that sent this request and they both wanted to be here. They just had

previous engagements. They are wonderful people. I think I think the consensus like you know we feel for him and would love to be able to do something but at the same time can't really you know devote too much in the way of public resources towards it. So, okay. Okay. Um,

next action discussion item, acceptance of donations for Eureka Community Center in memory of Ernest Tebitz. Right. So, they've already um actually um put the thing in the obituary requesting donations for the um Eureka Center because he had a lot to do with the reconstruction of the Eureka Centers. Um so, what you guys need to do is you need to accept the gifts. Um, and I'd like you to specify that it goes 100% to the the capital fund of the Eureka Center.

Okay. Is there now just all that? We have a so moved and we have a so second. So So I'm in all in favor. Did you copy that? So the motion would be that the the I got the motion but I didn't see Todd was a second. Todd second. Yeah. All in favor?

Yeah. Yeah. Who? Mark. Mark move. I moved it. He moved. He was in tough health. Um Oh, yeah. Lap assistance program. Yep. Um local roads and assistance. Um I usually just put it on the consent agenda, but um I I pulled it out this time in case you guys had any questions. Basically, every year we're required to fill out a form that certifies that we spent the local roads assistance fund money that we received the year before, which in this case was $53,664 on capital projects in town. Um, and you guys are required to sign it and I've filled it out. Um, and next year we're supposed to get $54,520

and we just need to spend it on roads. We just spend it on roads. I think we are I think we have an opportunity to do that. There's only four lines, but you know you guys Homesteader Act uh the Homestead forms sign and wait.

What do you want to put for money municipality email address? That's mandatory. It's fine. Well, I would fill in. Don't worry about that. I just want your signature. It's like signing a blank check. I know. Yeah. I'm a little nervous about it. Just sign it. See in there.

See, nobody used to ask me questions. This is exciting now. Is it? I don't want to be a pain, though. So, we don't need a motion there. It's just a We just No, I just I just Yep. Okay. Well, I already signed. So, while that's going around, uh MMA elections,

they have elections every year. Um it's another one of those really no-brainers. There's there's no competing ballots, so um we usually just What are you running for? It's not me. Oh, um Mary Sabins of uh Vasselboro, she's the town manager in Vasselboro is running for the vice president position of MMA.

And left. You want it? Not really. Jim Bennett of Bford, Jill Ducson of Portland, and Gary Forier of Ellsworth. There's only vote one, vote three. Yeah. So, yeah. Do we need to make a motion to vote for that or Well, yeah, you might as well.

Do we actually vote? Yeah. So that's Yeah, we really got to vote. Anybody want to be written in? Hell no. No, you don't. There's no writings left. Rob Pon. Well, next year we can nominate people at large. Agreed. Be voted on.

Second discussion. All in favor? Unanimous. Sorry. It's okay. Oh, you want me to sign that? If your address address has changed since last year. Nope. No, town's still in the same place. We're in the same place. I'll put the date on there, too.

All right, Calvin. Road Commissioner report is next. Okay. this is staple. This is the real deal. I need another one. You need another one? Oh, we got enough. Yeah, we got an answer. We got an answer. I thought I printed eight and I say I understand

eight six seven eight I always had eight plus my own. So, finished Cedapon and Stackpole 3 miles. Uh what's interesting is that most towns are ditching a year or two ahead of their paving plan. I didn't have that luxury. We came in and it was here you go, hold on, and what are you going to do next? So, uh we've been to to get us from up where we

need to be from the less than a mile a year up to four miles a year. We've been right out straight just so we have to ditch to stay ahead of the paving crew this year. So if we encounter problems, we don't have time really to address them or ideally uh and I think moving forward at some point we've either got to get ahead or we got to take a year off in paving or we have to come up with some way to get a year ahead like this year in hindsight. Probably what I should have done is is cold cold mixed more miles of road and held back on the chip seal and done that next year. Cold mixed one year, chip seal the next year. that gives us that year to be ditching while they're tip sealing that road doesn't give us that year to get ahead.

So just trying to come up with a way to get us from behind out front, but when they're breathing right down your neck and we had till July 14th and we finished it on a Saturday night at 8:00. You did. I was I saw you. It was I had to get ledge out of the ditch. I had to rent a huge hammer and I spent five hours beating that ledge with that thing. I made my my teeth working,

but we we got it all done. So, that's uh uh the dynamic that we deal with here that most towns don't have. I know Brunswick, they're two years ahead. So, I got to figure out how to get there. Y we went from no plan to trying to get we're up to fixing the roads, but it's at the expense of it's really pushing us. We're doing bond projects re and doing regular maintenance projects and we're kind of burning the candle at both ends.

Um I know that uh I mean would it be something that we should consider for one year subcontracting ditching um ditching work? That's possible. That's just, you know, um just to just to to get a year ahead, we'd have to do it would be a one-year deal. But

and I don't have any idea how much that cost. I'm just throwing it out there. It may not be feasible, but Well, maybe maybe this that and the other scenario he said maybe you do the coal mix or whatever it is and then you jip seal next year or something. I know

we spend we take one year and just do one chip seal. We'll see how Yeah. Or or that too. Either way. Yeah. Yeah. Or a combination. What I what I don't what I don't want to do though is personally is put more delay into the maintenance

that the roads need. I and I think we're hearing loud and clear from the town that they're that they don't want that either. So, but anyway, there's options we can look at. Here's some discussion here about the chip seal. And I know I mean about the cold mix. I know we just went over that, but uh it kind of gives you an idea how we got how we got to use it and where and we came up with that uh uh idea of that that process and why it came into play.

So we've used it we've used it here for I think everybody's good on that Kelvin I I think we heard from the professionals that's all we're obligated. I think the learning is to is with things like that is to get out in front of it communication wise

where we where we had done it on a smaller scale uh you know this is you know you learn more from your mistakes in life you have all your successes but this is this is an example of where hey you know I didn't I didn't anticipate this on the smaller scale we didn't have any problems and I looking at all the other towns are doing Augusta's doing it

uh Turner at Northarmas it's going on all around and then I just didn't foresee that so in hindsight uh I probably And from now on and in fact I talked to all states and asked them don't you have any brochures literature and they don't have any but I know I talked to CH Stevenson who've done this for years uh used to be the biggest in the state is they had literature that they would send out to people and tell them you know how to how to turn the wheels on and what not to do and how to how to treat it for the first so people knew what was going to happen and so I think I'll create one next time. So I I will make that and put that in everybody's mailbox. And if I thought that was hot mix, I would be as alarmed as I'd be like, "Well, Jesus, we got screwed. We got ripped off."

So So the It's my fault that people weren't u learning and we we try to 24th and 25th. Can we put that out there so that people realize that that's when that's going to happen? Is that something you put on the town channel without a big explanation or

Well, the problem with that the problem with that is is that that's once you put that in that's gospel and we it could rain. We could get delays. Yeah. And the minute it doesn't happen on the 24th and 25th and they made plans that that was going to happen.

Well, maybe it's maybe that's maybe it's too early for that. Maybe it's when it gets within within a week. Yeah, that's Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking. Yeah. or you or you initially you put it out there as tentatively scheduled and you put the big qualifiers on it like you know subject to weather and all you know we'll give you a more definite date as we get closer you know just

the only thing that I'd like to do that if we can because I remember when they did an RO like you said you got that loose rock that happens for two or three days and people were they were what what the heck is this what is this pretty sure this is chip seal and it's going to be fine in three or four days and then and I didn't know for sure but I thought it was swept and it was so Yeah, I was out there sweeping it on a Sunday when I saw

it was a Sunday that you swept it. Yes, because of the calls. So, yeah. Um, so yeah. So, you want to put that on the website on the town website? Yeah, I I would envision, you know, it'll take a while to get into the cadence, but personally, I would envision like some sort of like regular page or blog or whatever where a lot of similar things like you're putting in your report, like, you know, this is what we've been doing and this is why. and we've gotten some questions about this and this is why we did it that way and this is what you can expect over the next few weeks. You know, just

so be proactive or or Yeah, exactly. It can be a blog. You know, he can do a blog on the public works department thing. Yeah. Hopefully he'll have more time to be doing that coming right up here. So, we'll see how it goes. If it spawns more questions

taking it down. That's true. I mean, yeah, I don't need any more questions. So refer to Rob forms. So yeah, I got Rob's number on my speed. That's what I do apparently. So you guys saw the invoice or have you done accounts payable?

Which invoice here for for the big stump? The big stumps had those $500 to have those big oak stumps ground up on. So it was either that or we pull them out and if we pulled them out, we' have lost half the road with it. So

you just call a contractor for that or Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I a guy with a big grinding machine came out and ground them in place for 500 bucks. So that those are gone and then ripping up the road. The road they were big and uh so we're back to Runaround Pond Road. Been there about a week. Uh we should be done with that in a couple of weeks. So we can get that final layer of pavement on. So engineers completed the design of the open bottom stream crossings on Auburn Panel Road. looking to put this out to bid next week. So, um I've put this work has to be done between September 15th and November 15th is the window for the environmental permitting purposes.

So, October is wrong. Well, no, we want to get uh the work started between September and October 15th because it's going to take them 3 weeks to do it. So, they have to start between that's anticipated starting time. Okay.

It has to be done by November 15th. It's going to take them about 3 weeks. So, need to discuss a detour plan. Um, right now I'm looking at and I'm open looking for suggestions. I'm going to have to collaborate with the fire chief school busar transportation school department.

BMAR is actually out, right? Yeah, they changed the bus. Uh, I don't Yeah, they changed the bus. Tell you the transportation there, but I think it's all in the RSU now. Oh, you think so? That was Bular's thing, not ours.

Really? Yeah. I didn't know that. Okay. So, I have to just make sure the school buses are where roads going to be closed. Fire department, police. Um, do we have to When you say the roads closes, I mean, I don't know this area that well, for say you're not impacting people's driveways or anything like that, but they

That's between That's between Heel Drive right there at the power line. There's nothing. There's no house in between. So, nobody's Everybody's getting to their house, Kelvin. Okay. So the people that live on this side are going to have to go back to North Pole and down run around Pawn Road. People on the other side are going to have to go down stack pole across Bowie Hill. Now that leads to another question. We all we all know the condition of Bowie Hill.

Lawrence Road and Po and come back around Gloss Road is Yeah. That's so that's all you got. I think um I think if it's a detour for people coming from the Auburn in I think it's just they detour down the Stample Road. How long you want to shut the road down?

Three weeks for three weeks. Three. That's a lot. And what are they doing for a culver? I'm guessing two weeks. But what are they doing for a culvert? Uh they're doing an arch cover. Um a multiplate. Yeah. They got to put the foundation in the the footings.

Give them one week. I mean, my guess is they probably do it for two weeks, but I'm just I'm just I don't think it'll be closed for two, right? It's two both crossings. Two pipes in each two pipes in each cross, but it'll be the same.

There'll be one. Yeah. And there's no no houses in between there, right? No. And I, you know, if we put this out Oh, wait a minute. There is. I don't think so. Yes, there is. There's a road in there's a house in between.

There is. Sure. Yeah, of course there is. That was my Well, I was going to pull up If you got Google Earth on there. Yeah, I've got it up right now. There it's newer on the right hand side. One side from there is one that was on the other side.

Have to do one at a time. Oh, yep. We're going to have to leave one of them. There's a fresh drive. I didn't know something actually built them to have at least one lane open. Yeah, right. That's just recently happened. Well, you can do lines and they can come the other way.

Well, the thought the thought was the cost the cost to drive down there. Well, we're going to get a lot better pricing. Yeah, we can't shut somebody down. No, we have to come in. There is a house in between those two. Y couple weeks. So

the power lines are right there, right? There's this little There's a house right in between those two and right on the lines. Yeah. Between two crossings. Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, we we'll deal with that. So, but there's still going to be a detail.

They can stay with Calvin for the two weeks. We got we got an apartment up over the town garage. You send them down to Crowley's to the earth. Yeah, that's right. I think you leave that up to the contractor. They got to maintain access to the house, however they want to do it.

Okay. So, or it might be cheaper for us to pay for them a vacation for maybe the contractor will pay for them to go on vacation. Maybe. So, you I got to look at that closer. I forgot about that. I remember seeing something there, but I forgot there was. You're right though. So, I'm requiring the contractor to put up digital signs week week before to just just what we did in Palo on the uh bridge that the contractor put up the digital signs week before saying the road will be closed on these dates and it flashes 24/7.

So, everybody knows where well ahead of time. So the detour we need to I my thought is if I send them down Bowie Hill Road that's uh I don't know if I don't know I don't know I don't know if we'd be getting into alternative is we send them all the way back to 136.

Well that's what if they're coming if they're coming down from that side anyways they but if they were headed for down if they were headed to the get go well they they got to go down 136 anyways either way. So come all the way down Stockp 13. That's what I would I wouldn't send them down to stay right on.

Yeah, that's what I'd do. And the few that the few that steer off and go at Bowie Hill Road, they already know where they're going. So that's why they do that, right? So if they choose to take Bowie Hill Road, we're not steering them down there.

I think that's a good call. Just tell them it's closed. And yeah, if I was going to PL from my house, I'd go down road left and go back down. No, even if they can stay with you. is done. Going to pick up pick it up tomorrow.

Um, but again, the placing of that down there is going to be a little bit tricky because if I it can't back it up to that rock because the ice is this thick in the winter time. Or this thick in the winter time. So, I have to keep it up toward the curb. And so, you got the stop sign, but I'll fit it.

Not that much space there. No. And I got to fit that in there cuz there's a drain in behind it. So I I'll fit it in there. But the alternative was to put one coming up the hill. In hindsight, 2020, but had I known maybe back before we' put the new bridge in. I could have asked them to blast a shelf back on that ledge and we could have sat it up

there. So we could I mean the only alternative would be put one on the hill going up into Durham on the right. But then what do you do? You'd have to do one. I think I think where where you headed is fine. Just we'll make

way up. Not normally. We'll fit it in there. If we don't like it, we can always move it. So Y attach it right to the wedge. Oh, cuz the ice that ice it would be perfect. I was my first thought was have have what's her name come over and paint it on there. But that ice will wreck that the first year, you know.

Yeah. So Ron's left for vacation today for went to Netherlands for a couple of weeks. Oh, no. He's gone. I think he went to Kurissau. He went to where? I think he went to Kurissau, which is which is owned by owned by the Netherlands.

I don't know. I heard Netherlands. That's I'm like, no, he's going someplace warm. It's next to Aruba. Yeah, he always goes to some place very hot in the summer. He likes It's very nice. I've been there. Yeah. It's a pretty place.

Very pretty. So, other than that, we're on schedule and we'll keep uh I do have I do have a question for you, Calvin. just look about this spreadsheet that you gave us with this looking at the savings versus the cold mix and chip seal versus reclaim binder surface.

So it shows like just on Cedar Pond Road almost $200,000 $194,000 in savings of one construction method versus another. And I'm assuming your unit prices are pretty accurate from pricing we've had recently, right? Yeah, I'm using based on the numbers I had last year.

One thing to point out though is that cold mix and chip seal, we're not talking about a 20 year lifespan. You're talking a 10y year lifespan realistic. I mean, yeah, I know we're going to stretch it to 20, but but in 10 years if we

I've actually got his cont. No, the thing is if we reclaim that road today Yeah. we'd still have to resurface it in 10 years. Yeah, but if you we're going to have to reclaim Cedar Pond Road in 10 years. I'm saying if we reclaim Cedar Pond Road right now, we'd still have to resurface it in 10 years.

Yeah. So, but if we But since we did this, we're going to have to reclaim Cedar Pond Road in 10 years. Not necessarily. You may just have to service it. Yeah. Just go over it again. I mean, if we if we keep the profile and keep the water out of the road, they can last forever. I mean,

my point is though is that it's not it's not a realistic comparison because it's two totally different construction methods. But I'm just showing you what the cost would have been. Yeah. And we've got, you know, two miles of good road. But, you know, just doing quick numbers, you know, if you say you get a 10year lifespan out of a pavement chip seal, it's $14,000 for each one or $14,000, $676 a year. A

reclaim, you get 20 year lifespan. Yeah. you you might have to surface it if you add that in. It's still $17,000 over a 20-year life. So, it is still a savings and and it looks like that product is is going to be good, but but really we shouldn't even look at this comparison.

Okay. Well, two different construction. I'm just saying if we had gone the other route, I'm saying how do we get from point A to point B? We got we got to get from here to there. I and I appreciate what you and Jerry are doing and and I think there's multiple tools in our toolbox and I'm glad you're using all of them to try to stretch our dollar as far as you can. No doubt about that. So that's all I'm saying.

Okay. Anything else? Yeah, that's okay. Great. Thank you. Ruth, you're the last item on our agenda this evening. I just have a small um No, you can't go to Hawaii next week. or go track down our other robot. No, I knew that was coming.

Now, if I was thinking, I would have had you like bring back a Hawaii license plate. I have one in my cellar. Oh, see, cuz you know the kids over in like that are going into fifth grade have this thing over the summer, you know, like you got to find the license plates from all 50 states and Hawaii is always a big challenge.

I might actually have one myself. I I'll look. This is a tough one. Especially now that when the base was here, Hawaii and Alaska wasn't too bad. And now that it's gone, it's a tough one. Who takes their Who takes a ferry from Hawaii or

right? The government's paying for it. So, okay. So, sorry I interrupted. So, anyways, um I had a conversation with Paula um Erdman Party. She is one of the co-chairs of the historical society. Now, they have uh co-chairs. her and Linda Lfield have taken over. Um, and they're would like to be a part of the walkthrough of those buildings that we had talked about, the Methodist church and the the old town hall. Um, and so they have a meeting at 6:30 on the 15th of August. Um, and I was wondering if you guys would be available. Maybe I don't know if 5:30 is really early for you guys, but if we could meet like at the Methodist church, do look at the Methodist church and then go take a look at the old town hall and then they can have their meeting.

Which one's haunted? And then Methodist lamps on the NIMS training. That's the NIMS training is at 6:30. Okay. Then we'll do it a different night. Do it. No, we can do it a different night if you want. Like to do the Nims flip.

Well, yeah, the Nims is really worthwhile. It's a terrific class. Um, and Joanna is terrific. So, okay. So, let's pick a different night. Is that the one you and I went to over at the fire station? That train? Uh, no. I went to it over at the um in the

Auburn. Yeah. Yeah. Right underneath the fire station or down back or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. That was that was um that was emergency preparedness and monetary um estimation of hazard things like when we got like a hurricane and stuff like that how to go around and and determine what

the NIMS training is August 15th. It's going to be at the fire station. If you haven't done it before, it's absolutely worthwhile. It is. I I agree. You're invited. Yes. You might want to ask Chief, but yeah, I think you'd be invited. Okay. So, let's pick a different night. Um,

anybody have any suggestions? What night was the 15th? Was that the 15th? Was You know what? I don't even really know. April second. That's a Tuesday. Off. It's an off Tuesday. Okay. Does it have to be on? Does it have to be on?

Start belling for these off Tuesdays. There's a lot of off Tuesdays in this. I think the more thing is that there are no off Tuesdays. it goes through spells. Wait till budget season. There's this off. There's no off Tuesdays, Mondays, Wednesday.

We control our destiny there. No, he's very he's very correct, I think. So, all right. Um, there's nothing urgent about these walkthroughs, right? Uh, no. So, I would like to I I would say I would like let's wait till summer's over.

Okay. And then and do it like in September or something like that. Or we don't have any roofs leaking, right? Uh, no. Well, they did take a look at the Methodist church and it seems that the roof's holding up okay. The foundation needs some serious work and the front steps are are needing repair. Um the old town hall seems to be okay. They're in the process of of going through all of the paperwork and stuff that they have in there and

yeah, I saw them down there yesterday. Yeah, they've been working really hard at it. Um but but before budget season, certainly we should get into these buildings and take a look at them and and see that has a recent roof. I think

it does have issues. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. Does have issues. Is not the the Methodist church has issues. Methodist. Sure. How long do you think it will take to walk through both? I don't know. Walk through both. Cuz I guess I'm wondering if you guys half an hour or so each probably.

Would you rather try to do it on an off Tuesday? Would you rather do it early before the meeting on a regular meeting day? I'd rather do it early before regular meeting day. That's just my How about the 22nd? Yeah. The week after you were talking about

that make it two meetings. Oh, we're that's in August. But we might want to do it before five. If you're looking at roughly a half hour in between, then you got to drive. So, you're looking at probably closer to 5. Probably want to start at 5. Yeah.

To get in by 6:30 just on the safe side. Push it out to I mean, that's doable for me. I don't know. Yeah. I I don't mind doing it before. I don't mind. We're a little late, huh? You want us You want us to push it out to September 5th, right? With us here anyways. You're

not going anywhere without us. September 5th at 5:00. How much? September 5th at 5. September 5th. What? What not? What night is that? That's the first day of school. That's a tough day, man. Okay, never mind. Keep it back in the kids.

Go the 19th or keep it in August. Keep it in August. Just uh what was the 22nd you said? August 22nd, Tuesday. That's a regular meeting. It is a meeting night. Well, we can try to do that. Just try to do it at five o'clock that night.

Yeah. And you just get to the Methodist church as soon as you can. And yeah, we might not wait for you, but might not make it till you get to the next one. You might need somebody to show up late to like rescue people for the go when the ghosts close the door.

Well, let me tell you that. The only good thing about doing it in the winter time is they don't move around as much. Yes. Absolutely. It's like a half mile from my house. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that one's supposed to be really fun.

You can invite Janet down to go through that. Oh, she won't go into No, she won't. Oh, really? No. She had that one experience. She won't get her. She was in on that. Get Sean over to do it. You'd be lucky if she'd even drive by it.

Why not? I like how you think. And then I just wanted because the chief's not here tonight, he just wanted me to mention his email about vacation and he just wanted to make sure you guys were okay with that. I didn't get an email about vacation. See you later. Have a good time.

Um, yeah. I don't think you were on it. Okay. Well, dopedanya to the chief. Good luck. Okay. I will let him know that you guys are okay with that. So, you did you sent us this email today and then nobody brought it up through the whole meeting. I mean,

sorry, I can talk about it. I thought that was going to be part of your uh Sorry, we can go on to that. How we I don't even So, I did send out an email to you guys just to give you a heads up that there have been some uh some inquiries uh into

the ordinances that Durham has for marijuana because it looks like the schedule is that in the spring of next year they'll start handing out licenses. Um, and so I just wanted to bring it to your attention and I also sent it to um, Ann and Mindy who are the chair and vice chair of the planning board. Um, because we we might want to start thinking about if you guys want to

talked about that in January. I know we've been talking about this a while that got a request a permit application for two I think 25 foot wide by 150 foot long buildings. Yeah. For a dispensary for you have a permit request actually. I haven't dealt with it yet cuz I don't know what to do with the I have to figure out if that's a conditional use. I got to think about

because it's condition that's kind of is that medical? He says well it's agricultural. Is it medical? He says it's a nonprofit. I don't I don't know anything giving it all away. All I know is all I know 25 building between medical marijuana and

I think he said maybe he said medical marijuana. I it's over cuz that's legal in this off the sh I know if I was going to have one one of them next to my house I would want to know was there just because somebody comes in there with you know somebody

well you can you can smell that quite a while the smell does enough to make you want to move y do those types of ordinances typically like on something like that which would that typically come from the planning board it has to come

what's what's our I What's our policy on marijuana first? That's we don't have if we have one. Well, that's what I mean. Don't we have to establish if we have one before? Doesn't the state provide No, I mean, aren't there some state guidelines with this law?

There will be state. So, what you have is you have you have a use, you have a structure, and you have a use. For him to get a permit for the structure, there's nothing I can do about that. As far as him being able to sell or do the marijuana operation there, that's a use and that would go to

there's a planning board, I would think. But I don't see anything in our land use. I'd have to read that again and see it in the table in the table if I get through. I don't see marijuana use. I see I see agricultural. Well, if the state hasn't passed the laws and there's no guidelines yet, how can we even improve the use

even if even if we had an ordinance? Well, it depends on if it's if if it's medical or not. I don't think you want to stop it. Ruth, what is I mean there must be something on the MMA. I mean, I know like some towns like like Brunswick for example, you're very limited of what you can do with marijuana and then like a town like Manchester, you can do

quite a bit of things. I mean, it just really there's such a Well, when this came out, um, a lot of towns put a moratorum on. I was going to ask that. Do we need to go to a town meeting for moratorium or does the select?

No, that has to go to town meeting. Yeah. Um, we were hoping to get it in April, but it didn't. it didn't happen. Um and then um last week to consider. You know, is the town going to allow um grow facilities? Is the allow town going to allow uh dispensary, retail, um social clubs?

Um different ballgame. So, we're going to have to look at the laws for medical marijuana. That's a but I'm I'm talking the legalization of marijuana in the state of Maine. So, you know, there's there's different different businesses that are going to grow out of this edibles.

It feels it it feels like something that, you know, that we somehow want to get some public input on. Like what what do what do people want? I mean, you might have some people that think, hey, this is a pretty good like clean industry that could provide tax revenue to the town and others would probably say, I don't want that anywhere near this town.

My kids or my own. So, I mean I mean some people just want they have to be 200 feet from here or 200 feet or 300 whatever it is. I think that will will somewhat be included in the state laws. I think you know there's going to be buffer areas around schools um and hopefully municipal buildings. But uh but I don't know exactly what the law is going to state and

buildings. Do you know what marijuana that is? You'd be able to smell that all the way down to public garage. My wife and I was driving down somewhere the other day that leads to a whole different set of problems. You know,

I mean, if I had to smell it every day, I wouldn't be very happy. Well, that that is one of the big issues with growing marijuana is there's quite an odor and the odor carries for long periods of time or long periods of distance and

houses and I drive by now and I can smell. I have I was at a Tom Petty concert the other night. I could smell it. They could put have to put It was probably burnt though. Yeah, it was burnt. Well, and you can you can put different things in the ordinance. You can allow grows um and not allow social clubs. So you can that was pick and choose.

We allow controlled grows like maybe they're allowed to do up to x amount of plants. I believe so. Okay. I think we just need a lot more. Can we Is there any I think to Rich's point is there any guidance available from MMA about what towns like

I have tons of I have tons of uh examples. Can you email it to us? Absolutely. Look at it. Maybe take like the cliff notes and maybe give us a quick I'll try and do a cliff notes. Thank you. Yeah, be nice to want tons of email.

There's nothing without a town meeting. There's nothing we can do. No, that's not our right. That's good. Can't you felt if you guys felt that it was an important I mean you could do a public meeting or a public input session and and ask people for their opinions.

I do think that would be warranted. Oh god. Yeah. And then if you felt that there was there was a necessity, you could call a special town meeting to pass an ordinance. I mean, it doesn't have to wait till April. No, but I think we want to Yeah, I think we want to go into um that meeting with

some solid background knowledge about what the options are and so what other towns are doing. So, if the legislature had done more work in the past session, you would have thought they'd be further ahead than they are now about this.

Yep. I haven't heard much for a couple months, so I don't know exactly what exactly. You don't think that they've done much? I don't think the federal government still says it's illegal. Well, that's what I wonder about. Like, we can we go and allow, you know, 150 foot long growildings and it's still federally illegal. I mean, how do you do that? Well, it's like Ruth and I was talking earlier. It's like say it depends if Jeff Sessions right now it depends if he wants to enforce it

or not. That's right now it's illegal. If he chooses not to enforce it, it's still illegal, but you might not get in trouble. So I they got to somewhere along they got to fix that. There's so many issues included because you know it's a cash business because it is federally illegal, you know, so

you can't get a bank. You can't get a bank. They're starting to get some banks to help them, but but mostly it's a cash business. So, you're talking a lot of cash. You're talking um certain things about, you know, crime. And then if you

Well, hopefully not the mafia Durham, but you never know. Um and then you you're talking about law enforcement. You know, what kind of resources is law enforcement going to have to put towards this? You know, if we have a social club in town, what are the ramifications of that? We don't have our own police station, but it could make our county taxes go up if we got to have them a lot more. So, it's a lot of

We put an impact for you. I know what we did in Dixie with the winds, commercial wind. They came in low mountains and they had town meeting and they put a moratorium in place. Moratorium says that it's on hold for 6 months while the town works on an ordinance. And we can't put we can't put any impact fees a development impact fee out there until we have a an approved comprehensive plan.

Right. We did put some considerable impact fees on that that the wind developers had to pay. But you could uh and then you can get another six-month extension up to three of them up to 18 months total if you are working on it. You haven't completed the audit yet. So you have to go back and get an extended

a moratorium. give you terms to come up with what you want to do, which we can't do without our timing. But I I like the idea of let's gather a little information, schedule some sort of a a public hearing, public discussion um and um just to gauge how the town is is feeling about it. I don't know, maybe we even do a a Survey Monkey internet survey or something from the website or something.

Survey Monkeys. Um so cheap and easy to do. Yeah. you know, at least it's just, you know, it's not a deciding factor, but it's, you know, it's another data, right? Essentially, give people's ideas and uh All right. monkey awake.

Yeah. Okay. Cuz I never did a survey monkey. Um and then and then schedule maybe something this fall like September, October, and and see what people are thinking, what they want out of this. But I don't think that they do think until one pops up next door, then all of a sudden too late. Shows up all of a sudden problem is we probably have some in the town already.

You know what I mean? So, I mean, we just needed to establish which direction we want to go. Pretty much every state's largest cash crop already. You know, it's the town's cash grow. Well, maybe we should maybe we should put a Too bad we can't tax it. Local tax.

Well, that's my only issue. Well, why can't we? I I don't think we're allowed to have I don't think you can local tax it. But if you have them in your they get more revenues from you state the business or doesn't have a local option sales tax. I don't

the the state trying to say that uh they're not going to send any right of the state tax back to the local right to help us. They're looking at 10%. They weren't going to send it back. But that's still up for debate though.

It'd be nice if they did allow the the municipalities to tax. I know was Poland Spring. I wrote a note and I checked the field again cents a gallon there was a number sign. Yeah. Should be kind of like the casinos. The state gets so much money.

Uh these are this is the Yeah. Okay. That is uh Ruth. Anything else from um Oh, sorry. No, I think I'm I'm I think I'm good. Unless you wanted to add an executive session to go over the other issue. Um, I think you want to wait and maybe do it next time when you have a better handle on what's going on.

Yeah, because I just saw it today. Okay. Yeah. Yep. So, um, I I want to talk to the guy and Yep. He's very helpful and get get the scoop. So, Okay. Yep. All right. Motion to adjurnn. Second. All in favor. We are adjourned. Thank you, Alen. Rob.

Thanks, Alen. Motion and I seconded. Thanks, Mark. So that's um our accounts payable and Thank you. Thank you. Usually you get it right before the meeting to take a look at it. We don't because we usually run it on Tuesday. I like to wait until the last second so that we can pay as many people as possible.

What's this? I can we were able I would like to point out that we were able to pay the school in this one. I'm not I don't know what I can with the board and others what I what I can say or not say about that. Well, in in exe Well,

I'm going to executive I got all we can say really without the executive session, and I'm not sure we're even supposed to do this, is we have a main human rights commission um a suit against the town that we've been working on for about six months now, maybe. No, more like threequarters of a year. Um and we just received back the response from the complaintant. Um, and so, uh, it's going to be another month to four months before, um, they they have an investigator who's going to send us questions and ask us, um, and basically the executive session will be just for, um, me and Kevin and Mark, because Mark really knows a lot about it, too, because he was here during it. Um, to go over what exactly it is. Um, there's not going to be a lot of questions for you guys to answer because you weren't here.

Yeah. Thank you. But, um, but let me ask you this. is our attorney. I'm assuming our attorney is involved, right? Yes. Well, not our attorney, but or wait, who's representing us? So, this is a claim that is is covered by MMA.

Should I just move this into executive sache? Yeah. At 7:51. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Got to get out again. [Music] Since this is off, right? I think it went. Oh, there at the movies lighting, but Oh, I hope it's off. Calvin, you need to make I mean,

I wasn't home between work and then it's off. It's off. Okay. You need to make sure that that's not on the tape. What is What is the site for the executive session? Oh, this is going to be Oh, hold on. Okay, you got to get dressed.

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