TranscriptOctober 22, 2020 ~ Conservation Commission Meeting

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Yeah, I think I volunteered for that. Okay. Is that the old um version? You don't have the updated. I have some edits in here maybe. Maybe I should just go I'm gonna give up on trying to contact Zack. Um I can go to my email and um

No, I'm just thinking that since um No, we had gone a few lines and written down names for who was gonna kind of spear spearhead it. Yeah, those are off to the right. I saw those when Samantha moved over to the right. one?

It said it had the edits on it. It's the one she sent out. Oh, okay. Sorry. Sorry. That was a distraction then. because we know we didn't do those and then fill in. So, oh, and this actually ties in perfectly with Kit's uh plan that she worked on. So, develop a comprehensive open space plan for the community that evaluates the potential for expanding protected open space in the town. This plan should assess the value of open space for a range of benefits including recreation use, retention of scenic views, wildlife habitat, protection of groundwater, protection of the quality of surface waters, including you can run around pond. So yeah, it starts with river, but it it goes into that specifically. It doesn't talk about expanding it or um anything with runaround pond. So I think that this is a really this is almost like the plan above the one that that we started way back in the beginning,

right? That would encompass all the spaces, right? And maybe even how to add more spaces to it if that's ever something that um we could think of doing with fundraising or something. Well, didn't Joe show us a map at one point of some parcels around town? Alex made a map and sent it to us um where he just placed a a

boundary around all of the parcels that are owned by the town because I had started to go through and do it informally on the Google um Earth uh tools, but Alex had a mapping software that he used that he provided it for us.

Yep. And was that the one where um we were talking about doing something over on off of Day Road with putting in maybe a nature trail that's down there with some local information about ducks and and what uh the marshy area

I believe that was last fall. before me I wasn't part of that conversation. Yeah, I think maybe I remember Zach was very excited by it. a comprehensive open space plan would just be mapping. I think a lot of it would be just mapping what we have.

Um, but does that include um I mean there's privately owned land that's open space. We say in the town, not necessarily owned by the town, right? Because then you're just mapping what large open space areas that there are. I mean that's some that's a you know Google map project or you know something else with layers from the state.

Well presumably something like that already exists for town properties. Who came up with this original list of to-do things here? Uh Juliet and Zach pulled it from the comprehensive plan. Yeah. because like there at this like at a state level open space means something specific like there's a tax benefit for having open space

a similar like tree growth tax b um so I don't know if that's what this is referencing to to yeah because that could be confusing if we're just say if we use a loose definition and then it turns out you know people come and say oh there's there's tax write offs for open space plans. You said I'm on the open space.

Yeah. Like it says like according to the state, it says like what is open space? Land that is preserved or restricted in use to provide a public benefit in any of the following areas. Conser conserving scenic resources, enhancing public recreational opportunities, promoting game management, or preserving wildlife or wildlife habitat. I think it sounds like we need clarification on that one from um

well originally wasn't there a comprehensive plan committee that got together? Yeah. And I think Juliet was on that right was on that committee. So maybe she can address that how that came about because that is a little I think that does need clarification.

spaces owned by the town, that could keep us plenty busy for, you know, a while. Yeah, I just added um in the chat a link to uh what I was just reading there. Yeah, my interpretation might be woefully, you know, inaccurate is that um this is kind of us figuring out a actually like coming up with management strategies for the land that the town owns. So if you scroll down a little further, you'll see um open space there about um preserved or restricted and used to provide public benefit. And then there's a slew of benefits which honestly align perfectly with what we do, you know, do with public recreation and scenic resources and game management and stuff like that. which just makes me think that maybe that, you know, to-do line is referring to something that's more akin to the language we see right here.

Yeah. Which is like something that I think we had talked about two or three meetings ago. I think Robera and I had kind of spital about just like, you know, making a management plan for the parcels that we have. So like I've creeped on a couple of the parcels. For example, there's one over on um Royalsboro Road that is like prime wood

duck habitat, you know. So, something we could do is make wood duck boxes and put them out there. Uh make sure that there's no invasive species growing in the wetland there, you know, and kind of stuff like that is what I think it's referring to, but I might be completely wrong.

Is that Joe? Was that town owned or was that privately owned? Town owned. Town owned. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because Alex had put that map together and I kind of like drove around town a few times and like just checked out some of the town owned properties, what I see for birds and plants and stuff like that. Um, and I think that we have some pretty cool parcels that could definitely be managed in a way akin to what they're saying here on this page in open space, you know.

Yeah. And then there's some programs I think that become available at least for private land owners with like the state if you're managing like that. And I'm just I'm not sure what would be available for like municipalities.

You know what it doesn't say there? It's a It says benefits recognized include I mean I guess you could say wildlife habitat does it but should say something the services that the ecological services that the land provides.

I mean just being there it's providing services. So even if it's not good for, you know, public ass access, it's still valuable, right? And that's just their choice of language in that. And yeah, you know, we could define it as something different.

this one needs to be a full team. This is a big one. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, it kind of to me this is kind of the whole meat and potatoes of the conservation commission of Yeah, kind of sums it up right there. Yeah. Um I'm happy to take a first stab at the plan that would that but I would love everyone to to give lots of feedback. I know I I um that there wasn't a lot of changes to the river plan, but I think this one we can really make sure like especially with Joe's experience and Robera with invasives and things like that, we can put a lot of information in there. Um but I also don't want to get too big and overwhelm ourselves.

I know. I mean, so I'm happy to take this one and start one, but I definitely want this to kind of be everyone so that we can all provide some feedback and make sure we're in the right place with it. Yeah. And Kit, were you thinking of you're going to start with the town own land you said?

Yes, definitely. I'm not comfortable working into privately held land yet. I think we should start with what we have unless others feel differently. Um, you know, may it just I I I feel a little out of my league with working with privately owned land.

Well, in between River Park and Runaround Pond, that could keep us busy for, you know, quite a bit, right? And that space we talked about on Day Road. And then there's the Royalsboro piece that Joe was just mentioning. And

and you have that map that Alex know that probably the Royal River Conservation Trust has a plan or some sort of structured, you know, document for runaround pond. So, it might be redundant to work on something like that. Um,

I don't know that they do. No. So, you know, a couple years back, four or five years back, um you know, Allan had come to us and talked about uh updating certain things and he had updated the the sign. Mhm. Uh we had updated the the vault toilet through the state and then um he had uh Allan had also updated where those bulliards are on the other side um because there was this broken gate there at the time. Um and I think he updated something else too, but I don't know what it was. But and then we've had several other updates over the years. There's the the new um fencing on the

side by the dam, which is actually pretty nice. And uh there's uh a kiosk. That's the other thing that Allan had done, the kiosk. There's a a little uh working library that probably needs a little TLC. Um there's no clasp on it. So people have been putting this piece of wood with a um a nail in it to keep it closed. And um I think actually, frankly, that's a little dangerous. And then there's a couple of um um what do you call them? Picnic tables. And I know that there's also a project in the works to put up another pavilion um like the one at um River Park at Runaround Pond Park. Um and then also the Royal River uh people, they went in and they made trails. So when I started in Durham, um there weren't any significantly noticeable trails on the other side of the road,

right? Um and so they went through and they made those. But the idea was always that the town would take over that because the town really has uh responsibility for upkeep of uh right around Pond Park. And so I think that Allan is really looking for us to to take ownership and and move forward with it.

Okay. Okay. Okay. So that's for runaround. Yeah. I think we should take a field trip and go out there and see what needs to be done with the trails at least. Lovely. I actually went down there not too long ago to um uh put up some hand sanitizer stations and uh there were tons of people there and most of them had uh canoes and it looked like a lot of them were were duck hunting.

Yeah, we went canoeing there last week. I think it was beautiful. The colors were gorgeous and no one was there. It's great. Yeah, the colors around Run Round Pond are amazing. Yeah, once you turn that corner, there's like It feels very remote.

at the Royal River conservation maps, uh the land to the west north a little bit is conservation that that they have. um I don't know whether they put it in in conservation or whether they actually own some of the land. And then of course Steve Sne's farm is is some of it is in conservation as well to them. though,

right? And then as far as um you know the other part of that where it says exploring with um land owners and such to preserve open space, I know that um Royal River and also Anders and Land Trust, they have their own um I believe maps of priority areas

to concentrate on. So if they have any in Durham on their radar, I mean, you know, talk to them about that. Yeah, I I know that uh Allan has his eyes open for any type of property that either is going up for sale or, you know, he tries to talk to land owners to try and get easements on their properties. Um I I don't know. Uh Shelley has left um ALT um and so I

don't I haven't been contacted or know the person who took over for her. So um that's kind of another question mark. I wonder maybe I should get in touch with someone at ALT and ask them if they have um areas of open space on their radar for preservation. And um I'm I would just try to keep the communication very limited to that because I feel like um you know there's a lot we could be doing with the land trust but just as a little you know stick my feet in the water just kind of ask them what you know if they had anything in mind. Well, I also think especially with the ALT, so they are the ones that hold the easement on the river park,

right? And so we need to work with them uh when we want to upgrade the park and make sure that of any of the the upgrades, right? Anyways, yeah, and I was thinking about that the other day. did the um Boy Scouts or who got their um okay on the

gazebo? Yeah. So, actually Shelley was the one who put it forth. So, uh she had been in touch with the person who was from Green and they had been looking to do it in Green, but something went arry and so she contacted us and said, "Hey, look, you know, we think

River Park would be a wonderful place for this. Do you guys think that's okay?" And we said, "Yeah, of course." Oh, I see. Okay. I thought it was a local thing. What's um Shel's last name? You said she's gone, but Yeah, Kinski or something like that. I have old emails from her so I can find her her name.

Okay. Yeah, that's all right. It's not important. It's just if I wanted to reference her. That's okay. It's me. We just, you know, Shelly. Yeah. They'll know who I'm talking about. Allan to see if there if he has any sort of outline of a plan or you're pretty certain that he doesn't have any?

I'm pretty certain that he wants to just hand it over to the town. So, I think that he Okay. would like us to upkeep the trails that exist? um there's not a ton of space from for additional trails, but you know, any other kind of um you know, upkeep or uh improvements to the the park that you know, the town is interested in doing. Um I I don't know.

You know, I think adver advertising and making sure people know it's there, but beyond that, I'm not really sure that there's a ton of stuff other than just making sure that, you know, leaves and stuff. And the the workers, the public public works does go down and like empty the trash and do stuff like that.

Um, and the kiosk is pretty up to date. Um, I was just there with the CO stuff, hanging COVID stuff up and doing the the other stuff, but um, yeah, you know, just making sure that the trails are there and that people um are familiar with the the area and that it's, you know, we've had issues over the years of of people using it for um, not family

oriented activities, but just trying to make sure that people use it so that those type of activities aren't as prevalent. priority line it should be a high priority that the least we can do is maintain the trails that other people have

built for us. Built for us. Absolutely lovely trails too. What's that? Really lovely trails. Yeah, Colin Sure. that's in and the in the open space plan. So So if um Samantha you want to put us all there and then just say that I'll start the initial

that way we can have it documented because Oh no. But I can I can mess around with it after. Okay. Yeah, I'll make uh I'll take more intense I'll take better notes then. Okay. What line is that? 14. No. Y Sam, I have a question for you.

Sure. So, the the the um gardens, you know, you were talking about the gardening before we started the meeting and Yeah. the gardens at runaround, not run around Pound uh River Park need, you know, a workday so that we can look at what what's there and make sure that they I mean, I I assume that they just overwinter. Yeah, I think most of it's perennials andor aggressive saplings and weeds that could come out.

field day soon. Yeah, now that out and take a walk at the parks. Yeah, maybe we can coordinate that. Um, that actually might be a really interesting idea. you know, have have the group actually meet um at one of the parks and then we can go to the other park and just take walk around and and because I think when you're looking at it um and you're actually there, it's kind of it's it's more you notice more. So, you might be able to see things that need to be done.

Yeah, the hard we tried it a couple of times. It seems to to be a struggle to get us all in one place with everything going on. Hurting cats. Well, it's dark so early now. But just kind of make a date and then hopefully at least some people will show up.

Yeah, if we had even two people show up, that's seems valuable. Yes, absolutely. Should we try to set a date? It's just the three of us on the commission here. Four. and we let everybody else know and hope that that they can come.

Yeah, let me I'm gonna get my calendar. I mean, it wouldn't take more than half an hour one morning. Just walk around. Yeah, absolutely. program too this year. Um and as a placeholder, I had put in for 2022 um a vault toilet at the river park. Yay.

Don't get too excited yet. Just a placeholder. That's okay. A placeholder is a start. One step closer to a toilet, right? A placeholder is a start. we might want to start looking into the idea of, you know, if there are grants out there that that would help us to pay for that. They're not horrendously expensive, but I mean, if you could maybe even get a half, you know, 50

Sure. potty grant. Yeah, that would be a a good uh way to get it approved. Where would you even start looking for grants for something like that? Boy, that's I would look into a sanitation grant or something. I don't We're just like expanding recreational opportunities like you kind of put that

it's it's very easy. I I could easily make an argument that having a a a permanent outhouse there would provide the ability for people to stay longer and do more. Absolutely. And enjoy the gazebo. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Bathrooms are good.

Yep. All right. I will um I'll do some grant research on on that and see what I find. Great. Thanks. There's also so we as a town belong to GP COG which is the Greater Portland Council of Governments. Okay. Yes. So, you can go on their website and you can they have grant areas and then it's not even like you need to um be a member necessarily, but you you can Google that and um they have grant writers down there um which you might be able to pick some of their brains, but

sure. But we do belong. So, okay. Hopefully, Um ad cog too. were not a member of them. That's the Androskagan Valley Council of Governments, too. They've really stepped up their um their work lately. I've gotten a lot of emails from them. Um and so you might want to take a look at their website as well and see if they have anything. They are the ones if we ever go forward with the um the uh Emerson dump, then they're the ones that we would probably go through for the Brownsfield grant.

Well, actually, no. I I don't know. Oh, yeah. I thought we could talk about that, too, before we were done. Oh, did you did you get a chance to look at it? Yeah, I did. I checked that email and looked at the photos and stuff.

Okay. Do you do you understand any of the numbers, Sam? Uh, on a basic level. I was wondering if maybe Joe, he's not paying attention. what some of the numbers from the Emerson dump are? Oh, I don't know anything about that.

Okay. You didn't. So, if you look at those numbers, it's not something that you have any knowledge about. No, no, no. That's out of my Where are the numbers? I'm not sure what you're referring to. So, I had emailed you guys some of the paperwork from the Emerson dump. Um, and they had done some tests back when they had taken the the tires off of the property. Um, and you

know, there's there's numbers about different things that are are on the property, but you know, to me, you know, I read it and it's gobbly goop. So, um I was hoping and maybe some of the other people um have some knowledge that somebody was um more adept at chemistry and knew what these things were.

That was an attachment. That's why maybe I didn't open the attachment because I saw Yeah, it was I took a look at it and you know having the normals there is good but I don't know I don't know how um you know I don't know what constitutes wow this is really bad and yeah that's not great and this is dangerous and that

there you go. Yes. Yeah. Like the conductivity I don't know what that mean how bad that is. um you know that sort of thing. Ruth, did you get the email I sent you which had some information about who to contact about that and it um

Yes, your was it your husband? Yes. Yes. Yes, I did get that email because you could always reach out to I think his name's Randy at the D. I've talked to Randy um actually don't know if he's there anymore. I talked to him several years ago.

Oh, yeah. Um, and he was getting towards, I think, the end of his tenure there, but yeah, I'll ask Stephen. I thought he was still there. He may still be there. I I really haven't had the chance to contact him lately. And um

but I guess the suggestion was to see about Brownfields coming down um the Brownfields program and having them do an evaluation which they would do for free and I think they would look at all this information you have and have maybe recommendations.

We had made we had thought about that consideration. The issue is that it's it's a um it's an orphaned landfill. So, nobody really technically has ownership of it. And so, where who who gives the um the okay for them to go ahead and do any of that?

Oh, okay. And then if the town says okay, then it's almost like, oh, you own this property, which you don't want to. We don't we don't want to foreclose on the property because we don't want the liability. But I'm wondering if we can get

a court to to give us stewardship so that we don't have the liability and the ownership of the property. Oh, but we have the right to to send uh the Brownsfield people in to actually take a look at it. Oh, who would know about um stewardship

because that means you have to consult a lawyer. Yeah. Well, maybe that's something that we're going to have to run by our our town lawyer because it seemed like a solar array or something there. Um I think yeah would be ideal because then I mean there's maintenance people that you know you would worry about them having exposure. But if you had like brownfields do some type of remediation it wouldn't be a playground but it'd be good maybe good enough for a solar array. Yeah.

So, am I reading this right? This sample's from 1989. Yeah. Would it be worth getting um like what if it's way worse now than it was then? Well, see, that's the issue, Sam. Yeah. No, no, no. I understand, but I feel like I'm going around in circles because nobody owns it. So, who's the one that gives the the okay for um

for anything for anybody to do anything? When does it become what does it ever become um like uh where you say that nobody owns it, does it ever become no like legally anybody could claim it? And I know we don't want to claim it, but if we

if after a certain amount of time take a peek at it without it becoming like a legal thing, I don't know. So we um we still assess taxes on it. Um and we still lean it every year. Um and every year we also wave the foreclosure on it because we don't want the responsibility,

right? Um John Emerson had two sons. Um Larry has passed away recently. Yeah, I don't know about his brother. So, um, they've never gone through the courts to claim ownership of the property. Um, and the state, uh, lists it as an orphan landfill. So, I, you know, I've gone around in circles a couple times with this and I just, you know, I don't really know how you would go about getting everything done that you need to do without taking on the liability. That's why I I come up I was looking at some of the old paperwork and at one point there was a stewardship. Um and I think it was the town that took stewardship way back when uh to help Larry uh to help his John Emerson close it down. Um and I'm wondering if that's something that would be available to us again.

It does sound like that's a legal discussion and not something that I know I could feel comfortable saying anything about. No. And unfortunately that's the case for most people. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Because it sounds like it has so many ramifications that we need some a specialist who who would be able to help.

Yep. So maybe the intent would be to have a little extra money in the budget for for some time to hire a specialist to help us with it. Yep. Yeah, that's a good idea. I don't know what that kind of specialist would charge for an hour. Anyone have any lawyer friends who would

Yeah, I was going to say I mean it sounds like lawyer is just to even ask them a question about, you know, I I do have a friend who's an environmental lawyer. I can see if he's has any feedback. He's been retired for a while, but I can't imagine that would make a difference. Yeah,

that would be great. Yeah, I can ask him. Just pick his brain. Yeah, you know, just explain that, you know, it's a it's an old dump. It's been there for many many years. Um, even before Yeah, that's picture of the tires.

Um, and all the tires have been removed. Um, but nobody really knows what may or may not be buried there. I mean, it's possible that that it's it's not as bad as we think, but you you know, just the the the possibility uh is there's so

there's like you know, people told me that there were millions of tires that were removed from that and I thought they were exaggerating, right? Not exactly. And weren't they on fire at one point? Yes, there was a fire. Yeah.

Really? Yeah. There was a lot of issues with it. Uh eventually they took all of those tires and they um shredded them and a lot of them are are at the uh airport down in Portland. Huh. Nice. Yeah. So they used them. because it depends on how far you dug.

Well, isn't it more like the chemicals that you worry about that have leeched in? Yeah. I'm more worried about what may or may not have been buried there at one point. Yeah. Right. where we're going to have to really look at the different um aspects of it and the legal aspects of it and just make sure that while we're doing this, we don't um we don't open the town to any

kind of liability. Yeah, I agree. And I think for that you are going to need a specialist to help navigate those um that water. Yes, absolutely. comments, questions, longterm. But I mean, I think it would be wonderful to reclaim all that land. And I mean, the thought of having to me solar there.

Yeah. Seems like a viol. Sorry, Joe. What was it you had? Oh, I was just saying the same thing as Robera. The first thought that came to my mind is maybe potential for solar at some point. I'm going to give Ruth credit for that because she she had that among

I mean really it's not like that could ever be farmed. It's not like you'd ever want to Yeah. And I know people hanging out there. It's not uncommon to to put solar on um capped landfills because like you said, Samantha, it's like there's nothing else you can really do with it.

Yeah. You don't want to spend that much time there. Yeah. It's it I like the idea of changing transforming a scar on the earth into something that's actually providing useful services. Definitely. we'll have a nice Yeah. Oh, I like that sand.

It's a It's a lot of land. It's about 50 acres. Wow. Old Brunswick Road. The dump road. Is that right as the road forks? Yes. Um Okay. Quaker Quaker meeting house. Quaker meeting house. You go down there um past the farm and before you come out to Royalsboro.

Yep. It's on your It's on your right. Um right the last time I went down there, it's right before Larry Emerson's junkyard. Um and it has a fence going out into the field and the fence is actually posted. Yeah. the farm. Yeah.

Yeah. Gotta keep going. Which is that way? There it is. Like talk about having land. Yep. Okay. So, no tires. Nope. would love to see it used for something. Yeah. If it was clean enough, it looks like it'd be fun for an ATV park, a dirt bike,

right? The only problem with that is you're, you know, aggressively taking aggressive tires to the soil and it is going on everything. So that's why I said if it was clean enough. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's funny you say that.

It would be ideal. There was a gentleman at one time that came to the office and he that's exactly what he wanted to do. he wanted to purchase the land um put ATV trails on it, but um you know he was never able to figure out

who to talk to about purchasing the land. So Oh, interesting. Yeah, because I mean otherwise I mean I can see it. It's too bad the town hadn't foreclosed and could sell it right to him. Yeah. Well, you know, I had that thought and I actually called a lawyer, Jack, and I said, "Well, you know, could we just do this?" And he said, "No. That's a shame.

Yeah. Oh well, all those legal people getting in the way. Good ideas. No, he was horrified by the the suggestion. Yeah. Yeah. We can see why. All right. Where are we? We good? We want to keep going through that list or would we rather do that with Zach and Juliet?

I like going through the list. It just feels a little odd doing it with, you know, only the four of us. Yeah. Especially because they kind of pulled it together, right? I know that last time they were like, "Oh, this is what we had in mind for this and that." You know, so

Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yeah. Maybe you guys could set a date to to meet at the parks and then hopefully Yeah. So, Sundays are the best day for me. Sundays work for me. Yep. I could do Sunday, but I'd have I'd have to scoot out to work at like 8:30. But I could do the morning.

8:30 a.m. You have to leave. Yeah. Like I could say like 8 to 8:30 or something. What time do you work too, Sam? I do 9 to 5:30. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. 5:30 it would be too. But you know, I could go in late, too. That's totally fine. We can meet at six.

By six, it's going to be dark. Pretty dark. Yeah, we're out of uh we have one week left and then it's it's already dark at six. So, I was really going to be really dark at six pretty soon. So, what is it? What is it we're looking for? Because I I'm I hate to say it. We've done this several times and nothing has come from it. So,

I think what do we want to do? I think it'd be good to meet at runaround at those trails and take a look at those. Okay. And the other thing at the um river park where we were talking about just um making decisions about the garden, I guess.

Right. So, when you and I met there last time, Roberta, I think that we weren't really able to to do much because there wasn't nobody else was able to make it that day, right? Um, so it seems to me that it would be interesting to walk the trails and see what ideas people have about the upkeep of the trails. I know um that sometimes the trees kind of fall over the trails or there is some sort of you know stuff in the way or maybe even extending certain trails or ideas about you know maybe places to picnic halfway. I mean they're not really big trails but you know if you could put a picnic table halfway through the trail it might be fun to do that kind of thing. Um, and then also in in River Park, there's a couple of places where you could probably use some bridges. Um there's a

a wash out area I don't know about maybe a hundred feet to the um towards Auburn from the the house, you know, and so maybe making plans for the spring about what kind of upkeep things that you want and then making a date where you can bring people in with um uh chainsaws and brakes and trimmers

and that kind of thing, you know. That's what I foresee. Yeah, I think one of the mistakes we made last time is I think we made the time to meet kind of far out like weeks after our meeting and people just forgot. Yeah, they either forgot it just wasn't on their radar. I mean, if we maybe went this weekend, which with the dark, we better hurry up and

Well, yeah. Why don't we just go Sunday morning then? I can't do this one. Sorry. one Sunday. I can't tell this Sunday. Unfortunately, sometimes I need weeks out. That's the hard part. Okay. Yeah. next one? And um daylight savings time ends. So, we're falling back

that Sunday. That's Sunday. So, if we say that we were going to meet at 8:00, 7:00. So, well, it's going to be dark then, like at 8. No, no, be dark. No, the sun comes up early. It'll This the sun gets is up pretty early.

Yeah. It's a Eugene an hour in the morning. Yeah. Okay. Of daylight. Yeah. Okay. Well, personally, even eight is like tough for me. You guys, but I'll say eight if everyone wants to do it. What? Sorry. You could also go without me. Like, don't don't make it about me if if Sunday morning works.

about the gardens I could also go down there runaround pond we won't be talking about there's no gardens at Runaround Pond and we've I I you know we've done River Park several times we've gone through and and talked and we have some plans there we just weren't able to execute this year

because of COVID and not being able to get there for the the runoff and that sort of thing. Um, so I do think if we do runaround pond, there won't be the gardens to talk about because there's really it's too I can't imagine. I mean, maybe a couple of flowers around the sign, but everything else associated.

Yeah. So, yeah, how about we just meet at 8 o'clock on the first um at runaround. Works for me. And we got to get the word out to the other. Why don't I'll send out an email to everyone and see if they can come say if you can great if you can.

So be who's alternative. Were we going to get the um Durham um email server? I got to get you guys back. Um it's it's just a matter now of getting you um updated passwords. So that's really what I need to do. So, if you guys um want to call me if you can during office hours, you know, either tomorrow or early next week, I can get you back on the the server.

Okay. So, we have to call you to get back on the server and then send out an email about that. Um well, I I've been sending emails to personal emails. So, I can send out an email to all of your personal emails. Um, and then as you can contact me and and we'll get you back on the server. Okay.

Works for me. Okay. Did any of you guys get bad emails that you know of? I didn't. I did. No. Well, most of the emails are from 2019, so Yeah. Yeah. No, I didn't get anything like that. Well, that's good. Yeah. All right. We all We all good?

We're good. We made action. We have a plan. Tough with only the four of us. That's all right. We'll we'll force them. Yeah. All right. See you guys. See you later. Bye. Good to see you. Bye. Bye.