TranscriptSelect Board Meeting ~ October 3, 2017

Okay. Does anybody have any amendments to the agenda? I do. Okay. I have pieces of paper that are the uh list the 2015 maturing leans. That's under consent agenda. It's just for you guys to look at and have information on it. So, that's number four.

And then I have number five, which is the acco, which I've actually sent to most of you anyways, under the consent agenda. Consent agenda. And then under assessor's session, I have B, which is the abatement for map 10, lot 55C.

agenda? Uh 2015 maturing leans information. Yeah, it's just a list of leans maturing in November. Is all right. Is that something we'll have to deal with in more detail at a future meeting or depends. Okay. All right. [laughter] And then five was the Oh, was the dog

dog? Yep. Dog catcher report. Okay. Okay. Any other uh amendments to the agenda? Anybody here for the public comment portion of the agenda? in. I guess I'll give him a second in case. Ah, okay. He gets his own section. So, all right. Uh, consent agenda. Uh, is there a motion there?

Move that we accept the consent consent agenda as presented with the additions. Okay, accepted as presented. So item uh agenda number seven is public hearing and action on uh graveyard and automobile recycling business andor junkyard permit applications. Calvin, you want to come up and kind of just brief us on what this is about? And so I went out and looked at the the sites and pretty much they're all in the same situation as they were last year. Um, [sighs] Mr. Eisonson's here. There was some barrels of oils and things that needed to be removed and uh, he took care of those. I went back tonight. They were gone. So, uh, I guess they're taking them in the vehicles now. Uh,

that that trash. Yeah. The oils ain't burning. Yeah. So, they take them. The trash, the companies that take the vehicles. His is a bit unique in that he's really not an automobile graveyard. He's an automobile recycling facility. requires a different license for the state. So I told him that uh uh he would probably put that on as a condition that within 60 days he would apply through Secretary of State for an automobile recycling facility license and that by next year uh inspection that he would be fully licensed through the state. [clears throat] It adds another layer of protection for the town because you got another set of eyes looking at it and he has certain things he has to follow for them as far as titles and showing them where things come in and go out. But he is got the wrong license right now.

Okay. Is that do you agree with that? Do you or do you contest that in any way or you Well, I don't know whether to a degree contested. All the other guys ads I spoke to after I talked to him tonight, they all have an automobile license like I do, junk license, but they also have this automobile recycling license.

Okay. So, I'm going to assume that one goes would the other, right? Well, you'd still need Yeah, you you'd still need your automobile graveyard license, but that automobile recycling is for people that bring in vehicles, take parts off, and then crush them and just they're recycling them. That's different than somebody who's just got a bunch of cars out in the woods that they just want to keep.

Well, a little time I had to do figure this out tonight is one goes with the other. Okay. All right. So, it doesn't appear like it's a a major issue for you. It's you're you're fine with with the condition. Okay. It's just a matter of paperwork from what I understand.

Okay. Great. So, if that's okay with the board, that would be a condition that I would add on that one. Okay. [clears throat] The rest of them are are all okay then. Yep. So, it's okay to approve them. Yep. With your your opinion.

Yep. Okay. So, I'll make the motion that we approve the uh permits for the junkyards with the uh extra information that Larry Emerson's going to have to take care of his for the recycling. She's saying we have to do them individually.

Oh, okay. All right. [laughter] Sorry, guys. Okay. Okay, let's do Larry's first me down out there in there, man. I don't know. All right. So, we did Larry's. So, I cuz I already spit it out. Okay. Did you Did you mention with the conditions? Okay. Was there a second to that? All right.

All in favor of Mr. Emerson's license with conditions as presented. Okay. Good. And how about a motion on Kenneth Carl the second? I'll move that we approve Kenneth Kyle the second uh junkyard permit. Second it. All All in favor?

Right. And I'll move that we accept uh John Peeler's junkyard permit as per the code enforcement in in uh working whatever his title is now. I believe he's associate or assistant code enforcement officer. Yeah. Is there a second there?

Yeah. All in favor? Okay. Move that we accept Elvin C. Dennison Junior's uh junkyard permit application. I'll second it. All in favor. And I'll move that we accept Troy Peterson's junkyard permit application. Seconded. Favor.

Okay. Done. Very good. Uh item eight on the agenda is public hearing and action on the general assistance ordinance appendencies A through D. background on this? Well, there's not much to it really. Every year we're required to um vote uh

on maximums. Um, our town falls into the Lewon Auburn area maximum. Um, and so the state provides us with these. We can vote to approve or or accept these as the maximums or we can make up our own. Um, we've always just gone with what they use.

shouldn't continue that pattern? Okay. because we know better. [laughter] change them all by$1. [laughter] All right. Is there a motion on this then? Or any any other questions for Ruth on this? All right. I would entertain a motion on this one.

All right. We have a motion to approve uh the general assistance maximums as presented on the summary sheet. Is there a second? I'll second. All in favor? Right. Motion passes. You are moving it on. Yeah. Okay. Uh action and discussion items. Uh 9A, Maine Department of Transportation's plan for the intersection of Route 125 and Meadow Road. We have Rob Betts from Maine DOT. Welcome. Have a seat.

Thank you very much. Joining me here is Randy Illen, who is the uh the designer on this project. So, he's done all the work on paper that he'll be handing out to [clears throat] you guys. basically just to get out on record that we're coming to town with the project to uh reconstruct the intersection of Meadow Road and 125. Um the intent there is to correct some

grading and sighteline issues that are present. Um as well as realign meadow road so that there is better visibility pulling off of it. Um that's off the end that heads towards the falls. That really correct. Yeah. Correct.

Um so this is actually our our full working set at this point. We're just about at the 50 50% completion point in design. Um the last page in here is actually going to give you the best overview of everything that's happening um in in plan view anyway.

All right. Yep. Um so what you'll see is we're uh adjusting the curve a little bit. Um along with that we're we're kind of flattening the grades as we run through it too. So which the transitions will be uh much smoother um once all is said and done. Uh and sight lines coming off me road will be significantly improved uh with the uh the 45 mph speed that is uh posted out there. Um right now the uh the project is expected to cost about $360,000

in total. Um, and we are hoping to have our final design complete by about uh by about February. Uh, once we have our final design complete, we go into a uh a negotiation phase with property owners and we expect that process to last about 8 months. Um, which means we might be able to get this out to uh advertise to a contractor in October. So, I don't anticipate any work to happen in 2018. Um, probably would happen in 2019. Uh but if we can't pull it off any sooner, we would come sooner.

Have you had contact with the owners at all? Like Yes, we have. Um we met with the heavily heavily impacted abutters in the last few weeks um to discuss some uh site issues. Uh we got some feedback from them that I think is going to improve the design. Um otherwise, I think they were relatively in favor of of what's happening out here. Uh certainly understanding the needs that are out there. Um, Randy, I don't know if you want to add anything to that.

No, I think you summed it up pretty well. So, you're not just you're not just working on the the approach of Meadow to 125, you're making some changes on 125 as well. That's correct. Okay. Um, previously there was not appropriate sight distance for the the posted speed out there.

Um, since then some trees have been cut down which has improved the site distance, but it still isn't quite meeting our standards. So, we want to make some adjustments to the uh the actual vertical uh rise in the road to to clean that up.

Okay. And is there a slight alignment change on 125? Yes, there is. Um and so around station like 11. Correct. If you turn to page five, it's going to swing out a little bit. It's going to push out a little bit. Um and that's to lessen the impact to the existing property owners

around station 10 plus Z here. You can see the light gray line is the existing center line. Okay? And then the lines with the stationing on it would be the the proposed center line. So it makes a more gradual curve. Then if you look below, you can see the matching profile of the road as far as the vertical profile. It changes slight slight fill and a slight cut.

So you're moving it back quite a bit. the people in the inside corner there are okay with that. too close. Yeah, naturally. Um and uh yeah, pushing pushing that out gives us an opportunity to clear out some room on the inside of the corner to make sure that you can see through and uh navigate the corner more safely.

Mhm. Great. Are you going to uh rebuild an asphalt Meadow Road while you're at it? Yes. Anything that we impact on Meadow Road, which as you follow that station, [laughter] us back to that first driveway on there. That's that's a few hundred feet.

Can you impact a little bit further down the road? That's all I can justify [laughter] for this all the way to the full corners. Every couple hundred feet. [laughter] So yeah, we'll take it. You sure you don't want to shift that back?

I think it should go all the way to smoke. Yeah. Yeah. Right. So you guys are going to address that flooding flooding that happens every year and you picked up the Yes. Around station 1250. You'll see cross pipe that basically that that water that's currently flooding there. We will go into that ditch line and then cross the road and

Oh, I see. and go to the same location that it that it does when it's not frozen. Yeah. Right. Um but that will will also increase the size of that pipe from an eight from a 15 to an 18 going across the road. And also having a a larger ditch there would should enable

more water and less freezing and more snow storage. So you're going to do it with a ditch. You didn't need a you didn't need a structure there. A drainage structure? No, I shouldn't need a drainage structure. I think that that'll pro that that would might cause more issues. I think it'll be easier to maintain with the ditch and and the property owner is okay with our design. So,

okay, good. Sounds good to me. everybody, too, just in case any questions do come up or any are generated. Again, we'll be working toward final design in probably about February. Uh after that point, it does become significantly difficult to make adjustments to the design. So, any comments that you or the town has in the next couple of months would be greatly appreciated.

You send a copy of the final design to us to the road commissioner so that Sure. Yeah. Should we be having a hearing on this or is this a hearing on this? This is the hearing um where I've already where we went to meet with

notified by you that this was some hearing for them to come and talk about your plan or or when you say this is the hearing I'm not well this was my this was me presenting to the town in a public forum. Okay, I got you. All right.

And you've talked to all the abundance already anyway. Correct. Or another. us with a final design and I'd be happy to do that. And like Yeah. when it goes out to bid or when it's ready. Sure. Or even something we can post on our website. Just see if we get general comments or something like that. Well, you guys po advertise it and post it anyway.

Correct. So, that would be good. when you when you post something like this, do you do you do you have um I don't know what the term would be but kind of like layman's person's type diagrams of like before and after so that like if we put it on our website to say like you know DOT is going to do you know this project here we expect by this time and here's basically here's what they're doing. Yeah, we will do that for larger projects. Um, something like this, I'd be happy to meet with somebody oneonone if they had specific questions that they couldn't get from the plan.

Okay. All right. We just had like a design over the aerial photo or something. That would be all you need. [snorts] That's all you need. An aerial over. Fire up a drone. It It can be as confusing as it is clarifying, too. So, I'd rather do the approach. [laughter]

All right. Good. Thank you very much. Thank you. guys uh are not the people to talk to about the DO's plans for the Route 125 and Quaker meeting house road intersection. That is correct. However, as I had offered to Ruth earlier, I'd be happy to take any questions that you have and uh get them to the project manager just to make sure that they're addressed in a timely manner. I would say the you I I happen to live very close to that intersection and and so I've talked to a lot of people around there and the concern that I that I've heard multiple times is that um that

once that project is done that it'll be worse before it gets better. And the reason the thought process there is that uh people that are stopped on the on Quaker meeting house road to go on to 125 once it's a four-way stop would uh

potentially see a car coming down the road and now it's a four-way stop. So that car is going to have to stop. They pull out into the intersection that car doesn't stop because it's a new traffic pattern or whatever. So, um I guess you

know and I and I read through like you know it sounds like you know there's going to be like flashing signs and like be pretty tough to miss but um I guess I'd like to hear maybe from people knowledgeable with that type of thing like um the success of those types of mitigating strategies and um uh what you

know if there's additional um funds to support additional law enforcement for a period of time to, you know, slow people down through that area or or whatever. So, I I think that those are the types of things that people would just like to hear a little bit more about.

Okay. Put a big sign up mile before that flashes every 25 ft. There's a four-way coming. Put your cell phone down. Yeah. Right. Yeah. No one's going to see it. [laughter] Yeah. Until we can figure out how to electrocute people through their cell phone so they pay attention.

That's actually not a bad idea. put out an EMP. It'll never turn everything off. That'll stop the cars. That's right. [laughter] That'll stop us. Actually, if you could develop that. All right. Anything else, guys? So, we can

I'm good. Thank you. Good. All right. Thank you again for your time. Apple. the office. It's just I mean you can there's always been apps that will do that. Um unless anybody's got anything else they want to say about that one,

which is the the 125 Quaker Meeting House Road intersection. Um 9C act on request to replace the tree at the fire station. This is the ozone monitoring station. I did have a conversation with Mr. Gregory and um I asked him about you know moving the station or u whatever and he said that would really be prohibitively expensive for them and what they they're very open to and have offered to um replace the tree with a new tree whatever you know from the nursery we want the tree we want and they'll plant it where we want um if if we let them uh take down that tree. I asked him about moving the existing tree and he said that they did look into that but that that was like it's really expensive to move a tree

once they get to that big size. Yeah. Um so and um he said uh that most likely we were going to have to do something about this tree in the not too distant future anyway because of potential interference with the power lines. So, feels like it

could be a win-win. It's like fine, keep your station there, take the tree down, and they will they'll plant a new tree for us somewhere like on the fire station property up off the road away from the power lines a little bit. And

it's unfortunate cuz that tree is one that's growed the best. You know, you know, the others are smaller. Vibration off that one. and maybe something extra ozone coming to it or whatever. So, so, um, a red maple. They were going to replant us a red maple.

I think he said just a regular maple. Red maples are really pretty, but he, you know, he said, and he said, you know, we can pick the, we can pick the tree and we can pick the nursery and the location. [clears throat] The other, they're all maples, right?

I I haven't looked closely. It is a maple, right? Yeah. So, there's three of them there. So, I would say we just put another regular M. I like red maples myself, too. But red maples are technically an invasive species. Oh my god. [laughter] They're non-native.

Bermuda grass is an invasive. So, where we did get a grant to pay for this, there's a reason why it probably wasn't a red maple. It probably wasn't allowed with the serious. I've had to pay for this. I know. All right. Well, let's take him up then. I was wondering if we should uh

Bill's input. Yeah. Well, did he happen to say what his vision was for or what clearances were for, you know, you said a distance away so it wouldn't interfere. We can we can decide. We can tell them where we want it. But I guess where I was kind of heading with my my point was if it's a 50 to 100 ft off further back to begin with in the first place. 50 is not bad, but if we start to get 100 ft or so, it's going to be up on that null further back away. Anyhow, it uh I don't know if I'd necessarily put a tree there.

It's it's up it's it's up to I mean, if they're going to plant a tree, we can find a place to put a nice tree. Maybe over by the modular or something. put it any we can put it anywhere, right? Yeah, it's our choice. We can tell them

um we can tell them what we what we want to do, but it would be too bad to put it too close to the fur at least if Yeah. Oh, yeah. I think we're right back. Yeah. Right. So, it might not be near where Rob's other two maples are.

Guess we're all right then. [laughter] actually I think all those maples were planted so that eventually they're going to get trimmed and not be perfectly balanced because of the proximity to the power lines. Yeah. If you look at them all, they were all planted about 10 ft back at the holes from the power line. So once they get to be really nice, pretty

trees, they're gonna have to carve them out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, so, um, I don't know how we want to, do we want to, uh, let Ruth work with them and pick the tree and maybe work with the chief on location or why don't we let chief pick the tree and location?

I'm good with that, too. Are you up for that, Chief? Play arborist. Yeah. All right. Cool. All right. So, uh, I would move that we, uh, let the the chief work with Mr. Gregory and decide upon a species nursery and location for a replacement tree and that we allow um the organization to to remove the tree by the ozone monitoring station.

I don't know that you could take that off. All in favor motion. Okay. It's not that big. No. This a couple years ago. Uh waiver on property located at map 6 lot 14. What's what's this one? The property at map 6 lot 114 is the old

town dump. Oh, it's 70 acres. Uh, it has a that's the old tire. Yeah, that's the what we don't want. So, that's the one we need to we need to move to not foreclose. Yep. We need to move to wave foreclosure. I do have a question on that.

Absolutely. If it was the town dump, how come the town doesn't own it? We paid John to run it on his land, right? There was a lot of technicalities and the state ended up with it in the end. They had to do the lot the state ended up have to do a lot of the cleanup.

Yeah. So they technically they own it. If we keep waving stuff so we don't own it cuz if we take control of that back we are going to own it. Nobody owns it. You ain't going to get your roads fixed then. Well the state owns it. No, the state doesn't own it.

No, right now it's an it's an orphan. The clouds on your computer. It's an orphan. It's an orphan landfill is what it is. The Apple Cloud doesn't really make any sense. Well, that's new to me. I haven't heard of that. Me, too. I'd never heard that one.

It's the estate of Eison of John Emerson. But because the estate was never probated, nobody really owns the property. So, even even if we went after it, we wouldn't even know where to collect the money. [clears throat] We don't want it.

I'm just I theoretically theoretically no, not really. Because the only way to get your money would be to take the property and sell it, right? That's what And we don't want to take it because then you take the liability that goes with whatever might be in the ground there because it was a dump.

Well, if it was the town dump, don't we have some liability for that? Uh there isility. I'm just throwing that out there. If if we took it back, there's that possibility right now. But we created it to begin with. Yeah. sub subcontract.

I know. I understand. But it was our trash. It was I didn't live here at the time. I did. But I'm just saying you should be able to solve a lot of problems down there. I'm not I mean I'm I'm all in favor of the waiver. I'm just saying maybe somebody needs to suck up the responsibility, fix it up, and sell it.

Wow. Or it's just going to sit there FOR [laughter] he wants to share. Yeah, it uh well actually when I became chief, one of the things that I inherited was the tire dump cuz that was the third largest tire dump in the state of Maine from the state. That's actually why the state I believe at the time they took receiver. Yes.

Uh I don't think I think they relinquished that, haven't they? I don't know if they've relinquished it. [clears throat] A lot of we contracted to do our landfill and part of the reason there were many other contracts. It's not [snorts] just our stuff that went to that site in the first place. So

understand what you're saying, but there was a lot of other stuff went there along with the ties that was not us. Okay, that's Thank you. All right. That's the one in in the middle of the night. So, do we have a motion to wave foreclosure on this property?

I'll make a motion to wave foreclosure on this property. Second. All in favor? All right. Those lots of tractor trails on a daily basis coming in there. Oh boy. And night. Lots. All right. So, I have to move us into assessor's section. Is that correct? All right. I am moving us into assessor's section for the purpose of uh reviewing two proposed uh tax abatements.

assessor section. Ruth, what's the first one we want to talk about? Uh, we're going to do map 8, lot 56A. There was a discrepancy in the area of the actual building, which made it a difference of 288 square ft or $7,000 in value, which makes it an an [clears throat] abatement of $131.95.

with that. abate bit of $131.95 on map 8 bot 56A. We'll second it. All in favor 50. All right. Uh the second abatement is map 10, lot 55C, and it's regarding the number of bathrooms and uh bedrooms. This is the one we tabled for math correction.

No, that was the last one. Oh, it was okay. Um, so we had it down as having two full baths. Uh, and they actually only have one full bath. So, makes it a difference of $7163 would be the abatement. Okay. I make a motion that we abate $7163 on map 10, lot 55C.

Second. All in favor? Okay. session? We're rolling. Y right along. Yes, you are. I'd like to [clears throat] Everybody have my report or do I need to distribute it? paper copy. My rock's getting dolls. I skipped your rock.

It's probably on my computer. It is. Yep. But I didn't look at tonight, but I didn't look at yesterday. I don't know why I have to be back. Actually, that's [clears throat] my wife's computer. Clear that up. So, you didn't [laughter] have to bring it with me tomorrow. She beat me a little bit.

I guess I went around. Um, well, just to start off the water test. You are. Oh, yeah. Water test came back and we had some measurement in one item, but it came back good and everything else. The E.coli, bacteria, and everything was all all good. So, it uh I still got my signs up, but I put it back out end of November for a part of December and make sure that it wasn't just a case of bleaching it. It cured for a short period of time. So,

so is this the this is the first test since the shock or the second test since the shock? This the first. The first one. Okay. This the first one. Yep. [clears throat] Yeah. I'm going back. I said I want to do a second one. Give it a

do an initial one and then give it two or three months and you know make sure that I'm just it wasn't just a case of adding the bleach. Well, we'll have the results in time to know whether we need to put a new well in the budget uh for next year or not. Good.

Yeah. I'll do it in November for part of December somewhere in there. So, we should have it in plenty of time to find out. Um, stipen coverage it just to briefly touch on that. It uh it's going slowly, but it's going well. It uh we've got a couple of people that really seem to be sticking with it and stuff. I have four more at various levels of the training for the department and stuff that we're looking at trying to implement a scheduling software because now scheduling is becoming an issue trying to do it with text messages and emails and word of mouth. It uh um [clears throat] so it uh I think we'll probably try that in November to see if it how it works if it works well or not. um aerial operations class. It uh they got one more day to complete. They actually tried to do it on Sunday. They ended up having to cancel, but uh because the left front outrigger on the ladder trucks was uh settling. It wouldn't hold its level. It

kept settling on them when you take the the weight on that outrigger. It's actually going to northeast. I put here that it'll go later this week. It's going first thing tomorrow morning. They're coming to pick it up and take it up and take a look. You seem to think it might be the I guess there's a valve on top of it.

So those don't have like a manual or you can't once you put them down there's no like extra lock that would let that hold it once you actually get pressure on it or nothing like that. Um not that I know of. No. Okay. No. So anyways, we didn't finish the training. It's going out to get looked at tomorrow. I'll know the results probably probably by tomorrow afternoon. doesn't sound like he seems to think it's very serious. He seems to think it's just a a control for it or a valve for it. [clears throat] Now, ladder tests and that's part of the urgency of it. They have ladder tests scheduled for October 18th. They'll be here testing the ground ladders and the aerial ladder. Host testing reported last month about host testing and that we were unable to get a contract in in time for the time frame that we had to complete host testing. So the department was going to do it again this year and that's been completed

when they they couldn't finish their ladder class. They actually finished the last last of the hose [laughter] that day. It so we have the hose testing has been completed. With that in mind, one of the projects I presented was trying to utilize the money from that and getting the station rekeyed. We've met with the locksmith. Um, we discussed options and if I go without the uh computerized option and just go with a keypad type lock, he seemed to think I can do commercial keypad locks and it won't be as I won't be able to read who access, but I really don't care about that. We have security cameras and stuff there. Uh, I really care about removing the key and being able to take back assigned access when people leave the department and stuff. So, I think on the outside we'll at least be able to make a keypad work. Maybe even one of the interior logs. Perhaps not all doors, but there's really only one primary fire department

access door, which is the further side. So, anyways, it uh we've met with him a couple of times now. It we've got most of the paperwork squared around. So I actually think towards the end of the month, first part of November, we'll start that project. Then the last one is the apparatus committee that uh we've had a ton of meetings. It uh [clears throat] gone over different options and different ways to present it. The end result is the committee uh the consensus is they feel that we need to continue pursuing the replacement of engine 22 pretty much the way it is. maybe a few tweaks here and there, but nothing's really major total reconfiguration or going away from it. So therefore, you have an RFP that are forwarded to you for pretty much what we've put out the last year or two. Um, and then that should have a vendor's list. The other thing we reviewed simultaneously was the replacement. You're making a face like

you. I don't I don't think we've gotten the RFP stuff to me. Yeah, I talk to you about it. the other day to make sure you'd received it. [clears throat] But here is the I'll forward it to you, too. Get back to my computer and find it.

I'm not sure whether I passed out which one. I passed out the engine one. And there's the RFP for the rescue. for the engine is pretty much the same as it's been for actually the last two years. The vendors list is the same vendors list that we've utilized not the first year but the second year because those were the only vendors that actually submitted um proposals in the first place. the first time around. The one that went around for the rescue is actually very close just with industry changes. Uh an upgrade based on diesel versus gasoline. It uh is very close to the same one we used in 2007 for an RFP.

or No, no. the committee still would like to go with diesel. It's the we had the why it's listed for the ambulance for um an F550 instead of a the van series the E series because I guess those we can only I'm not a mechanic by any stretch of the imagination. I guess we can only get the gasoline in those. We don't have the option of the diesel unless we go with the truck version.

chance to look at them. My hopes were that we could actually get your okay to put it out at this point to get the proposals and [clears throat] packages back because we can't really move anywhere in any direction without having numbers to go with.

I mean, go ahead. Have you loo I mean, what's the current rescue chassis that's on a van chassis now though, right? Yeah. Yeah. Um, are you sure we need F550 or do you you let the Well, actually it uh No, [clears throat] I already said I'm not a truck guy in the first place.

From listening to everybody on the committee, they seem to feel very strongly that we should go with the 550. I do know from conversations with some of the communities that chose to go with 450s that they felt it was under sized for the it was marginal for perhaps Curtis is here. Perhaps Curtis knows more about the truck aspect of it than I do and he talked to a lot of vendors down there. But my general gist on the

450 versus 550 is the braking systems, the suspension system that it was all marginal. Okay. how they do good. The [laughter] biggest thing on the 450 to the 550 is the weight capacity. Um, you go with the 550, they're [clears throat] almost identical trucks. It's just got 13in brakes as opposed to smaller brakes. Um, and the other part was the weight load that you can carry. And so the payload is 2500 or

3,000 pounds more for the F550. So, with that being said, it matters what you put on it for weight. Um, down south of here, they all started swapping the 450s, finding out like Massachusetts has laws that you can't break. Apparently, they weigh them and they were finding that they were undersized for the amount of stuff they were carrying.

Okay. So, that was one of the biggest reasons. You're going four-wheel drive. Um yeah, right now we have the onspot chains on there and it uh with that's not a the difference in price is about five grand. Yeah. When you buy from

it's not a good solution. Half the time when you need them in a pinch, they don't work correctly. If you got to take them off in the spring of the year, put them Yeah. spring of the year, put them back on in the fall. If you don't and then you don't I'm assuming you must be

them. It's already too late to engage them. [clears throat] Yeah. cuz you're slippery already. Yeah. I don't like buying insurance because I like making fun of that guy because it pays conferences. Yeah. So there's no correct me if I'm wrong. I mean because there's no Is there a downside to sending out these RFPs? I mean we're not It doesn't bind us to anything, right? I mean it's just a matter of getting the information

actually before we can make an educated recommendation. We need to me we need to be able to look at the financial aspect of it. So so I mean I don't Oh okay the list is on the back otherwise when the vendors do work and may it may never even make it to the town people for votes. No

I I mean I don't see an issue with going out oh same for RFP with this. I mean and I don't nothing jumps out as an issue. Um, I guess with the cab and chassis, so for the rescue, you're, you know, like we want a 550. This is a decent size. It's a little more vague on the on the engine. It's like sixperson cab, but like is that going to be on an international chassis, a Freightlininer chassis? Wow.

Yeah, many of them where [clears throat] many of them make their Yeah. the engine sizing they they buy lots and it's sized according to the way they're going to assemble it. And that's why we tended to we've always tended to be a little bit vague in engine size specific uh manufacturer. Um

so okay. Um, and then I'm assuming like cuz we don't specify like a a size like an actual length of the chassis or anything. So it's like whatever we can get there [clears throat] all we usually what we've done is we've taken that's why we actually go with the RFP is because it gives us the option of working with any or all of the vendors to try to make it accommodate a specific need. But if we start specking length and I mean we could do no longer than no higher than but as far as

we do need to make sure [laughter] [clears throat] um an engine we have no concerns with the no high event. Um okay actually if they I'm sure they make engines that are too high to go in there but nobody's going to come back in with anything that size for the town of Durham.

Okay. So I mean you do say it needs to hold 12,200 ft of hose. So they're going to know we need [clears throat] this much length and whatever to fit it. All the manufacturers going to be very familiar with the you specify a tank size on this 12

and actually all those manufacturers that are on the vendors list have submitted proposals for the last two years. So for most of them um it's just double check update according to NFBA standards. Oh, cuz I think it's So,

remember 2018 they changed? Yeah, 2018 they changed. So, so 1,000galon water tank, a,50 gallon per minute pump. So, we could empty the truck in 48 seconds. Yeah. Think about never happened. Power. That's not long. That's I know. It's impressive. Really? [clears throat]

Hopefully. Hopefully 48 seconds. you're out of water or either one. Yeah. I mean, I'll make a motion that we ask chief to send out the RFPs as written and and get proposals. I'll second it. All in favor? Okay. Thank you. That was actually it for my report. I don't know if you have anything for me or not.

Um, how much are we looking at for locksmith lock keys? speaking. Uh I don't have the previous report in the quote in front of me, but I think the previous quote was 2,950 was a little less than $3,000 to have it rekeyed, but we've made some changes to it. Um the keypad will bring it up, but

we've gone back and revisited some of the interior lock because if we have good security [snorts] on the exterior, we don't need to have the act control on the interior that we currently have, just in the areas that the public may access or something like that. So, we've looked at some of the interior bay doors and changing how we do those. So, yeah. So the quote is kind of out in left field from where we actually ended up and we actually talked about if need be that we shouldn't short change the process. We should say this is what we have to spend take us to this point and do it in phases if need be to make it happen rather than um yeah simple system

short. I mean the to me the keypad saved the town a lot of a lot of I won't say a lot saved the town money and headaches because of the ease of granting access and denying access and stuff. So So it's everybody has their own code.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What we actually talked about was because we can buy lower grade commercial ones that I think have 16 codes or we can buy the higher grade commercial ones that will accept up to 60 codes. And that's when we talked about getting was a

60 code. Everybody would be assigned a code. It same thing. We use a NOX system for the drug access and for for key access for Nox key access and everybody already has their own code that they have for those keys once they're granted that um level of access. So we use the same system we currently have.

Yep. Okay. When is your next um department meeting? October it's the second Thursday uh 12th 13th [clears throat] cuz um we wanted to um uh have the board um you might you know one or two of us would uh like to be on the agenda and come to that meeting and we just wanna we want to talk to the department about a little bit about the process of filling your shoes and what uh and we wanted to let them know that um you what our thoughts are and what what we think the process might look like and their involvement in the process and kind of feedback we'd like to get from the department. So

I thought no and I like it. I appreciate that. The uh other good side of it is that's a week I'm going moose hunting so I will not be there to overshadow or hinder conversation. select release the hounds. The timing [laughter] is actually ideal.

Okay, we'll be back by then. All right, so the second Thursday, whatever that is. What time is that? 7. Yes, it starts at 7. Okay. these around. So, I'm assuming Curtis will be okay. Doing the chief's pod on that meeting.

All right. Great. Unless I am back. [laughter] I like that idea. Good luck. Good luck. Thanks. All right. Thanks, Chief. Thank you. Well, you can always do it. Ice it and enjoy it the rest of the time. Yeah. Much work. Yeah. I know. It's a lot.

Especially if it has to be warm. Is that just reflect on that? 19th and 7. 7:00 on whatever the second Thursday is. 19th. Oh, it's second Thursday. I'm thinking. So, it is October 12th. 12th 7. Okay, Okay, town administrator report.

Yep. Um, so a couple things. The server, um, I have an appointment for October 18th, which is a Wednesday. That's when we're going to switch over to the new server and hope everything goes smoothly. Um, I did look into I got quotes for the fire/ alarm systems for

the buildings that we had discussed, but they're all fairly substantial initial setup fee. So, I think we're going to need to put it in the budget for next year if we go ahead and do that. By substantial, like 10,000, less than 10,000.

Okay. Sounds good. Enough so that Yep. Next year sounds good. It's not in the budget this year. [laughter] Okay. Um, and then the last thing I wanted to talk to you guys about is is the renovations because I feel like I'm chasing my tail. [laughter]

Okay. Why? Um, I'm trying to figure out Well, the history of this is this all started um when our last code enforcement officer felt that it was too crowded in his office and he needed to have an office of his own. And so we started on this and and also he he was trying to get more room in here too, although that didn't tend to um work because the back wall of this is all the electronics. So his original thought was that we would move this wall back by about 4 feet, making this room a little larger for public hearings and stuff like that. But um because of all the electronics on the back wall,

it makes it very difficult. [laughter] Um, so we had gone ahead um with the budgeting committee and gotten $30,000 for a renovation. Um, and there have been several iterations of this this renovation idea. Um, and that the newest one is is that the men's bathroom would become a unisex bathroom. The girls bathroom would become a storage a fireproof storage area where we would we would um fire fire whatever two-hour rating storage. fire code the walls.

Fire code the walls in the ceiling and a three-hour rated door. And that's where we would um store the um older books from the back room that we have. And we would put a bunch of that stuff either in the the modular or in public works depending um modular is easier to get to quite frankly than the public works building because public works building is up the stairs. Um and then that back

uh room which is a storage room now. We would put a couple windows in, egress windows, and then that would become an office, my office, [laughter] because it's the biggest one. Um, and then the code assessor um office would become just the codes office and then the assessor's office would become just the assessor's office. Um, and that's what direction I was heading. And I'm I'm looking for input and thoughts on that as a direction.

Well, you you're here all day and using the bathrooms and stuff like that. How do you feel about a single bathroom? Oh, we don't need more than one bathroom. I agree with that. You know, we don't have that kind of traffic. I mean, generally there's only three or four of us in the building anyway.

And it's open to public, too, though. Yeah, but I mean they use it once in a while, but I mean it's not like they could put a button on that door to make it handicap accessible or different door if you had to. And I suggested Ruth to change the toilet cuz that toilet's not handicapped toilet. It's too low.

Have to have 17 inches and that was only 15. So you could change that out. Do away with that urinal. That was Ruth's idea, which I think is a good idea if it's only going to be a one person bathroom. That'll give it more room if somebody with a wheelchair had to be in there and

could make it. Yeah, we definitely need to make it 88. Yeah, you have to. But why why would you why would you discount the urine on? Get rid of that. Well, it would not just take that partition down. Just take the partition down.

Well, I suppose you could. Well, it just leaves it's just makes it a lot cleanier for the women. You got to lock the door. Yeah. I just have visions of little kids going in there and the parents are that's their problem. That's [laughter] if if you haven't if you haven't taught your kid by now, I I don't know what to tell you. You're not going to solve. They're going to play in the bigger toilet, so it does it doesn't really matter.

Yeah. I mean, either way, I didn't care either way. I just I was thinking more room. We derived this um plan for say, but we don't we don't physically have a plan. Well, no, we don't physically have a plan. Okay. And this is um we have a concept or an idea and a budget without

a plan of an actual plan. And I want to as uh I so I was on the budget committee last year when um when we approved and went along with the selectman on this um and in hindsight I think that was a mistake um because we because to Rich's point there isn't a plan. There's a list of ideas but there isn't a plan. And I uh I question the

premise upon which the ideas are based. So part of what's driving this and what drove it originally when Paul was here was his desire to have his own office, which I get, you know, um but it also allocates uh a separate office for an assessor that is here two days a month. And so that I just think that you know in the

we we've put the we put the cart before the horse. We went directly to solution without really just talking about what are the requirements and then what are the different types of ways we can meet the requirements. And if you go if you step back and you say the requirement is okay what we need um you know better office space for the code enforcement officer or we need you know or whatever it is uh we need more storage or whatever. There's lots of different ways to approach that that don't require ma a major construction remodel project in here. Like for instance, this room here I think is probably underutilized partly because of these tables. So if there are and you know like the tables you see in conference rooms at LLBAN now they they're on casters. The tops fold flat and you can stack 10 of them right against the wall here. And then you if you if we I'd rather spend a little money on something like that and get a

lot more use and flexibility out of this room that could maybe meet some of those requirements. Um we said that the assessor office has a desktop computer and so that's you know kind of why well she needs a separate office because that's where her computer is. Well, well let's get her a laptop you know and then she can be wherever she needs to be. Um, maybe if we invested a little bit more money in different storage solutions, we could gain some space that way. The desks back there are all like aircraft carriers, you know, like we we could probably do a different desk configuration. So, my point is there's a lot of different potential solutions that we I that I think could spend 30 grand on just furniture,

but it may do it well. Yeah, that's so what you need. and and at the end we so I I don't know if it's worth if we have if we if we spend a couple of grand on having almost somebody who does this sort of office planning space utilization work for a living and say you say look these are our requirements this is what we need like the analogy I used is when we were talking about this earlier was you know you don't you don't tell the architect you know where to put the window and and what to do you you tell them what you need what are what are your requirements or her you need to say okay I need a mudroom and I want my laundry off the kitchen and I need this you know whatever your list of requirements they come back to you with some potential solutions and I think I think we need to go through that process before we start knocking holes in walls

you did get some of that information and that's if I remember right because that's what partly drove Ruth and I talking I said well wait a minute they were talking about bricking up that wall in there and I said no no no we don't need to brick that wall up and then they were talking about spending, I don't know, $2,500 or $5,000 to have a knock. I said, "Hold up."

They wanted to put a bald door in. Yeah. I said, "If all we're going to do is move a few pieces of furniture around and and we don't need all that stuff in that back room, and a lot of that could be over there, [clears throat] then we only need to keep certain stuff that has to be in a fire code room.

And if we went to that one bathroom, all we got to do is add sheetrock to get a certain hour wall, change the door, a few things like that." I said, "We don't need to hire $5,000 architect to [clears throat] change a few of those things to paint." That's just crazy.

Cuz it was the quote that I got. Yeah. Yeah. No, I get But but that that was the quote for a specific list of work. We gave them We gave them the solution. We didn't give them the problem. Well, no, I told them what I was what I was looking for and and why I needed it. And their solution originally was the brick of the bathroom and making that a 5hour um vault instead of, you know, a

2-hour rated room. And I I just I don't I don't think that back room there with the three-hour doors is a two-hour wall cuz I checked the sheetrock and there's only one layer there. Well, what if what if pricing for pretty sure

there's a couple layer in the bathrooms. It may not be 30 what you want to do may be 15,000. It may be 45. I don't really know. And then the other thing is is there the rest of this building. I mean, you know, carpets, there's all kinds of stuff you could

Oh, absolutely. Go on and on. So Kevin may be on to something there where it's like we fix up what we have and we re, you know, change out furniture and get the right equipment for people and that may work too. I do I've done three offices in the

last two years at work and we work with creative office pavilion and they come in they have state bid pricing so it's you know you can go on and look and know what the cost will be and it's no charge to have them come in and say yeah let's put some racks here let's put some desks here let's we can do building walls here and then like I said you may want to get some painting and stuff done but it sounds like there's two problems too there's a storage problem that we do need to address.

Yeah. And it might Yeah. So, agreed. So, I guess I I don't pretend to know what all the potential issues are, but I just it feels like that we haven't done enough homework to jump into knocking holes in walls. And there's And do we talk about I mean, we just buy the fire rated cabinets. You can't fit that in a couple of fire rated cabinets.

Well, a lot of the stuff up top. Have you ever been in the back storage room? There's a whole row of stuff up top that's all old assessing books and stuff like that and all the vital records. I mean that's historic or is that cuz we have to

some old 1700s maps and those things you definitely want to tag but right we got to clean out the stuff that's not important too. Yeah. I I don't think there's that much in there that's not important. I don't know if we need even need a three-hour door. I'm not sure why that's there because when I called to get some prices just to give Ruth an idea of,

you know, I she was talking about windows and stuff. So, I just called my old my old sales rep and asked him some question. He said, "Do you see even in Poland they don't require a three-hour doors? They only require a 90minute door."

So, well, that's what we had there. So, that's why I was asking. So, I don't know. Maybe we don't even need a 90minut I mean a three-hour door. Maybe we only need 90. I don't know why you need a three-hour a 2hour wall if you only got a 90-minute door. But if we got a fire truck that comes out in 48 seconds, why don't you have a door [laughter] right across the street

All right. All right. I don't I don't know if that's I don't know if we do or don't need that. That's what was there and what he said. So we could just wrap it up with another layer of 5/8 fire code and that very well may be the case. Yeah. I

call it on some of the fire rating just to jump in there. You I doubt if it actually says in the code that you have to have 3 hours in the first place on there because there wouldn't be any occupancy per se. I mean you're talking a firep proof area that we decided to have. There'd be no code occupancy requirements. I wouldn't think that it say you had to maintain it. So,

but I guess what I'd recommend is maybe a tradeoff is right now I'd recommend having 12-hour fire rate door if you could because if this building is not occupied, everything in here is going to burn until somebody spots it going down the road. So, there's a tradeoff for the cost of some of those changes. I I would suggest looking at at least something for some type of

unless we put a fire alarm, single smoke detector, getting there or something. So you have some kind of outside monitoring, then it's not as crucial to have that three-hour fire rated door. If you had a, you know, an hour and 90 minute rated door, you're either going to lose the whole thing or somebody will be here to manage to save it before your burn time is gone on that door.

Do we have I guess kind of a tradeoff type thing. Do we have fire alarms in the in the U modular the back building? The modular modular has fire amber. The station only has fire. We should have burglar, but it only has fire.

Well, is [clears throat] there anything over there in that room that you need here? Well, the e the reason we can't move it to the modular is because it may have the fire and the alarm, but it doesn't have it it it doesn't have the um

humidity. Climate control, right? Climate control. Yeah. So the I mean you're talking these are old irreplaceable records that you know have been in the town's possession for hundreds of years and you need to somehow protect them and that's was the point of the three-hour door and the point of having the walls that were as fireproof as possible and and um in my personal opinion I don't think it's gone far enough to protect the records that are back there. Um, I mean I I'd like to see them in a walk-in vault, but but that's, you know, very expensive.

We have an alarm system. I mean, what is it? 700 bucks, 1,000 bucks to have that company come over and put a smoke detector in it. No. What? What's You're talking $8,000? What? $8,000? Put in a fire alarm? No. to to hook it to to bring in Well, they would have to bring in a commercial

um setup so that they could hook fire and the alarm together. That seems awfully seems Well, you know, we can look into different, you know, ideas, but I got Exinity at my house. I got a smoke detector that goes off and [laughter] goes right to the thing. Cost me 40 bucks.

Yeah, but that's to you. No, it goes to them. It goes to dispatch. Well, you know what I'm saying? I mean, my alarm goes off. I have smokes for the kids, but like in the kitchen, for example, my Exfinity alarm through the cable company, which I know this time.

Yeah, it's just Infinity. It's 30 bucks a month. My wife burns some chicken or whatever the hell that thing goes off and I call you guys. [laughter] But it didn't cost me eight grand. And that's not I don't care if she is cuz she's always setting the damn thing off. [laughter] It doesn't cost 8 grand to to monitor something.

That's not to monitor it. That's just to put it in or just Okay. But it's free install for them to come by. I mean I mean why can't we talk Comcast about doing that for us? I could try for free. For free. They usually do install one fire and one CO2 and um like you know you get two alarms and two doors or something for 40 bucks a month, three year commitment, whatever the heck it is, you know what I mean? But that's worth looking into.

I've been getting their brochures. They've been sending me over to the public garage to hook it up. Well, I mean, I use other companies, too, and it's not 8 grand. I mean, this is what 14, but they're the town provider that we get the franchise fees from. So, it's worth talking to them and see. I don't know if they have a if they would consider the score. They have a whole their whole Comcast business. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean it's not

short money. I mean the monitoring fee is the money. They could care less what they want to call. Let's give R some direction on the What do we What do we think next step? I mean I kind of like your creative office to be like come in and

give us some ideas. They'll they'll draw it up. They'll sketch it all. You know, they'll take a charge building. Huh? That's not going to charge. They don't charge if you buy the furniture and if you don't buy the furniture, they charge like their marginal costs, you know, few hundred bucks here and there. That's the design fee.

That's worth that. Yeah. I just That's what I a blueprint or a direction rather than a wish list. Exactly. Yeah. You can you can kind of tell them what we talked about and then ask them once they see what you got what they think would work because they've done others

to the point. Yeah. And I but I think one thing we should talk about is because it will drive is kind of when setting up the requirements it'll drive the design is is the separate office for the assessor. I mean I you know I

what we need I I qu Yeah. I really question that, you know, especially when, you know, we these days, you know, the trend of even having an office except for, you know, someone like, you know, Ruth and is well, for someone like the assessor who's only here two days a week, you know, you're on a laptop and you just set up wherever you set up and then

it might not necessarily be so much as a separate office far. It may just be if that's the way it works out, there's an extra room that at some point may be an office of somebody, but for now, instead of uh the codes and her being in where it seems like there's a lot of stuff in there for the both of them,

the code guy is going to need to have more room to spread out. If we've got that spare room, that's where we put her for now, knowing that it may not be there forever. That's that was the only What's the spare room? Well, that that back room where she would where

to do that, we still have to that that's that that still involves putting egress windows and turning that back. If we was going to go that route, right? See, I'm saying don't do that. Use the offices that we have now and have an alternate plan for the assessor that's only here 2 days a month. You know, whether like we were talking, we were informally chatting before the meeting in California where he used to work. um the the code enforcement officer just knew that two days a month that the assessor had his office and he would go out and focus on inspections and do something else that day,

you know. So, I just I think those are the type of is it a space small town creative things we got to think about, you know, cuz you know, we know what we have in front of us for roads, you know, fire department's getting ready to ask for two vehicles, you know, and you know, I don't even know what Calvin's going to ask for this year. So it's it's like

I would like to mention that both of those office are 7 1/2 by 11 ft. So I mean they're not big offices. They're small. Yes. Yeah. I know. Well, if we take the aircraft carriers out of them, you have lots of space [laughter]

if we can get them out. I know we need a saw to get those things out. I kind of need my aircraft carrier, but that's okay. [laughter] There's there's some pretty good stuff. I think that's where this is where See, we don't even know the solutions. That's where the professionals come in to bring us some ideas.

She might say, "I don't have anything to [laughter] work with you." But at least now we have someone with a professional opinion that says, "Do this." Right. Yeah. So, okay. So, I think that's the direction is to reach out to them and have them come in and and um and uh then we'll go from there, you know.

Okay. Get the file cabinets out of the out of the uh code enforcement officer's room and that' be a whole lot bigger. That would be nice. Well, yeah, but then what are you going to do with [laughter] them? Now, and put all the furniture in that one room, both walls.

See, now I think now that could be a more reasonable plan. Like, if it's store, if it's about storage and we think we can do without a bathroom and just have one, then fine, turn one of the bathrooms into a storage unit. That's a lot more cost effective than some of the other stuff we've been talking about.

I emphasized that before you came in, there was one bathroom right in the entry and it was unisex. Yeah. I don't There ain't no big flow of bathroom. There's not a huge bathroom traffic flow. Yeah. So, I think we're all kind of in alignment on that. Agree. Even if you kept that bathroom coming [laughter] towards the back and made like a little small

um sink toilet on there, you wouldn't have to be ADA wall it off of the door and then you could have that whole area for cabinets. Um you could still have two bathrooms. One for a small very small bathroom for the staff so they're not

Yeah. And then you can utilize this as your public and your ADA and bathroom. Just take those toilet drawers out by themselves. you almost double the capacity. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. [clears throat] So, and if there's stuff in that back room that doesn't really need to be there, I mean, we talked about I don't know how much of this most of the stuff that doesn't have to be there. It could be over there than

we're going to need assistance to move it that out. [laughter] We got we got plenty of assistance. Yeah, that's what you say. And that will [laughter] give a whole different outlook on space. How often are those things accessed?

All the time. The old like 1700s. Oh, no. No, no. I mean, is it better to, you know, just throwing this out there, is it better to archive those in another facility? To be honest, I I had looked into the possibility of doing in a storage, you know, like there's a topome storage unit and they do have climate control storage units.

Um, so conceivably you could rent one of those for $100 a month and put all of our Let's look into that, too. There was a young lady that came here at one point here a couple years ago, maybe. Uh, I can't remember her first name. Miller, I think was her last name. and she was into that and she was willing to archive and put all this stuff on disc take photos and do whatever for some of that

but I can't remember now what it was going to cost but it was in the long run it was very good idea but it was going to we couldn't put it in the budget that year and I don't know what happened never came back I think that's a great idea though to archive it and in the meantime we could you know you know some $100 some as long as it's climate control those things are usually monitored fire and

yeah and that stuff's offsite, but we're not really accessing it. Stuff that we access a lot. Keep Yeah, but stuff from 1700, who the hell? No. Yeah, the stuff on the top shelf could absolutely be put in somewhere else and that would probably free up a lot of space and then Rob's, you know, creative office solutions come in and maybe design you,

you know, a fixed instead of a fixed wing aircraft, you'll get a, you know, [laughter] all right. So, are you comfortable? I'll get in touch. I'll get you Stephanie some I'll get you a contact all the help I and don't you know don't take this as like we want to we want to meet the requirements and solve the problem we just need to look at look at some other more maybe less expensive creative ways to do it but I don't we don't want to leave you hanging

I just feel like I keep going down these different paths and that and that that's because we haven't gone through the planning phase first we went right to let's do this and that and that so we got to go back and approach it the right way. Okay.

I I think we may have an extra room upstairs in public works that we could use for some of the archiving and then between using this restroom for files and over space over there to last. So yeah. So between ideas like that, I think we can figure something out. So

figure something out. Do you have anything else on your agenda? No, I'm good. Unless anybody has any questions. I think we stood that. Okay. So yeah. Yeah. All right. So uh next uh uh upcoming meetings uh Tuesday, October 17th for the selectman here at 6:30 and also Oh, on Halloween at 6:30. Should we have candy stand by in case we get uh trick-or-treaters come by the town office?

So they do come by. Yeah. Do they really? Can we talk about schedule for a minute? Mhm. Sure. I just I'm I'm not coming if it's Halloween. Just [laughter] And why don't we That is a tough night. We do every other we do every other Tuesday. And in all seriousness, it would cut back two meetings a year, but I think we should stick to like first and third Tuesdays of every month as opposed to doing every other. So, and rather than canceling Halloween, we just push it back a week and we stay on that first and third schedule from there on out. That way, it's the first and third Tuesday of every month. Period. It's not every other week. twice a year you end up skipping.

Yeah, we just we have to make some kind of a official notification about that for the change. That's all. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's a great idea. That's fine. That's fine with me. Yeah. I mean, we lose two meetings, but it shouldn't

No, we don't we won't we'll end up gaining them couple we'll gain them as special. All that does is open up weeks for special meetings. Yeah, that's right. [laughter] We know you like those. But as far as scheduled ones or we can do second and fourth or whatever. I'm just saying.

No, first and first and third works. How how far ahead do we have to have notice for that? Oh, not not far. So we're we're in it right now then. Now if Okay. I had a couple things scheduled for the 31st. We'll have to reschedule.

It'll be the 6th. Okay. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. It is a tough night. That's kind of like Christmas. Well, wait a minute. [laughter] Wait a minute. If we were if we were sticking with every other, we would not be meeting on the sixth, right?

No. Right. Yeah. I'm not ready to make this change if we wanted because, you know, I don't I don't know about the rest of you, but my my calendar goes like a two three months out. And so I've kind of got things scheduled according to when the selectness meetings are. if we want to talk about like okay after the first of the year or something a few months out if we want to change the schedule out you know I'm fine with that but um I'd really I'd hate to have to start moving stuff around that through the end of this calendar year that I've already

um accounted for the next well in the meantime for discussion could we could because I think a lot of people here have I think that's the problem is the younger kids and so forth on Tuesday how heavy how heavy do you look

yeah does that night look opposed to that or a No, I'm not opposed to that at all. Um, you have to get my notebook to see what I have scheduled that night. Yeah, it's just a or even I wouldn't even Well, I don't want to speak. Let me I just say I don't even mind doing it at 7:30. Trick or treating's over by that time, but I don't mind going in overtime. But u Well, that's that's only one pillowcase.

No, I hear you. But it's [laughter] just uh it's just uh that's Well, let's look at it after the first of the year. I mean, I don't foresee problems beyond this. I mean, we go back to the first. Well, not quite. We actually we could reschedu that one. It's far enough out.

The 31st. Yeah. Yeah. I think that'd be probably a good ide what about the 31st of October? Yeah, that's the other ramification, right? have CMP is supposed to come and talk about the plans for the the power line and Alan Sterns was going to come and talk about the Royal River,

but we [snorts] they probably forgot that it was Halloween as well. No, they didn't. [laughter] They forget October 31st. Um, yeah. I mean, I can call them and reschedu. So, it's just two people that we have to Yeah. Well, CMP might be able to come on the 17th. I can figure that out. And and Allan can come later on. I mean, he doesn't have to come on the 31st.

Who was Alan again? Alan Sterns with the Royal River Conservation Trust. They're the ones that are working with the town on Runaround Pond Recreation Area stuff. Okay. So you either have a official just to sign the warrant real quick and table the rest till the next meeting.

we could just come right in after work and and take care of that part, the the legal billing part. Yeah. I'd need three of you. Yeah. All at the same time. Yeah. Can we just swing in during the day or No, I think it has to be done at the same time because you have to vote Well, I don't know. That's a good question. have to vote on the warrant.

We went to the training on that. I think you have to vote on the warrant. That didn't come up. The the whole the question is like well, do you have to sign the warrant in a meeting, right? Or do you just have to sign it?

I can ask tomorrow. You know, we have here. Okay. So, if we don't meet on the 31st, can you meet on the 7th Yeah. I won't be here. You won't? No. Yeah, but that don't matter. That's right. [laughter] don't matter either.

I mean, I'm not saying if we meet on the 31st, I wouldn't drop in at 7:30, 8:00, but Well, if we could do it like if you could check that out and it's a matter of having 3. I I get out at 3. I don't know what time you get out. I mean, I could be here for 3:30. I don't know.

I can make it. Don can make it on the 31st. On the for the 31st. Oh, come in early. Yeah. And then just sign the warrant. Just to sign the warrant. I could probably do that. I could be here on that Tuesday. I could be by 3:45. 3:30. I come from Bath at

So what what if we how what about 4:00? We say we'll come in at 4:00 on the 31st. We just we could find the warrant and if there's anything any other urgent thing, Then we just keep the reg keep the cadence going cuz by 4:30 5:00 the trick-or-treaters are on the road. Yeah, that's the problem.

Oh, I know. Yeah. Set the clocks back then, don't they? Is it that week or is it um right around that before that day like savings is on the It is. Yep. November. That's like next week. No, the 5th of November. November 5th. [laughter]

Don't turn your clocks back is at the end of October and some. Yep. I mean, if the seventh looks for you guys, that's fine. I mean, you guys can get by without me. Well, maybe I'll see it for four. I mean, the earlier I can

Let's do that. Then we keep our regular uh keep our regular um Yeah. Okay. The 7th or the 31st at 4. Just come in. Kevin keeps us on task like he did tonight except for the whole year thing. [laughter] Yeah. We'll get out of there in half an hour.

Yeah. All right. So, the 31st meeting will be at 4:00. The 17th is still at uh um 6:30. Uh, comprehensive planning committee's next meeting is Wednesday, October 25th at 6:30 and the planning board is meeting uh, tomorrow night uh, at 7 p.m. All here at the town office.

Okay. All right. So I am going to move us into executives.