TranscriptSelect Board Meeting ~ January 9, 2024

right good evening everybody um welcome you all to the uh dur Town board meeting Happy New Year to everybody on 19224 we have a forum here indivisible andice [Music] all all um the fire department recognition uh going to pull that up to just ask a public comments any other amendments to the agenda anybody see okay um so while we open it up now

to uh public comment anybody have public comment I'll ask anybody who's going to speak tonight come over and sit in this chair off to the side we have and uh you can speak to the board that way um introduce yourself name address um and uh we move from there so anybody for public comment seeing none uh we will move to fight Department recognition Chief

take the corner corner off any I appreciate it uh thank you for the time as you know it's always the chief's job to uh shine a light on the fire department and certainly members uh and that's what we have the opportunity tonight to do um for a distinguished action medal uh three members earned it uh Lieutenant Joe Lamont couldn't be here prior engagement but I will bring up uh driver operator Kevin Merrill and firefighter Timmy doson uh to recognize and honor their firefighters and other Personnel who have demonstrated exceptionally bravery courage and selflessness in the line of duty um as you know October 25th of last year uh the shootings in Leon um I've never seen or heard this happen before where every radio and pager opens up in the county and they literally ask for every rescue and every uh EMS trained firefighter to respond to the city uh and these members did I'm not going to get into uh what happened

but they made it to H shi's bar and they were in the city for three hours um They Came Upon a difficult situation where where people were on the roof with long guns while they were trying to figure out if someone was shot in the middle of the road um they came under Fire literally with uh they were at schmees uh with reports of people uh shot uh with a active shooter uh where their rescue was um eventually uh and they volunteered to go they were the first ones here and they volunteered to go you couldn't stop them eventually Lieutenant Joe Lamont called me and said hey uh when you're done in the city uh please show up to the uh hospital because we're going to start transfering uh victims out uh Lieutenant Lamont without him knowing it had already secured two victims had already assisted in the emergency room and was in charge of a dozen ambulances and up to 40 Personnel um that was staged at the hospital uh other things

you don't hear is um Kevin came up to me and says uh hey we got a situation this was at the hospital we have a civilian uh brandishing a weapon at our ambulance and uh Timmy's locked himself in the back of it hiding so uh um story after Story of literally that's what happened um so I need Kevin and I need

get right weine time and thank you to the fire gentlemen your your dedication the entire fire department on that evening every day you do it I listen to you uh every single day when I'm home that's just a hobby of mine but you do this every day and uh that was above and beyond the Call of Duty that was something that nobody bomed uh and nobody signs up for so we so much appreciate your

just move on to Old business uh Union Church transfer um we had a meeting for my notes here um so we had we had a meeting um who back in December now uh where the um Union Church committee that we assembled uh briefed us on um on their their um recommendations for

use of the Union Church moving forward um it was unanimous um vote during that that um committee meeting where they recommended that the town put the Union Church um and and actually um I'll use the word gift it for a dollar to the his IAL Society um we've since received a letter from a lawyer don't know if I had that right in the packet here yes I do um basically our town lawyer had indicated that um first of all the union the Union Church um the Historical Society had asked for uh both the church and the funds that the town had set aside in the sum ofx

$30,000 um um to to to uh receive both the church and the and the raised money to date um lawyer came back um indicating that um all the the the select board was capable of of transferring ownership of the church uh at their discretion um that the um

$31,000 um um was not something that they select Bo themselves could transfer over to to that that Society um so it would require a vote to do that uh at an annual town meeting to at this point is that the we've got to go ahead from the lawyer to transfer that property at our will um by the

select board um although we can send that also to town vote um the committee recommended also the use for the church to be of um um continue its use being here a museum and um so we have a choice to make as a board this evening um there's a few things that came up I I did have the pleasure of talking to P earlier this week um the society wanted to ensure that um we when we did this

transaction that um they understood that the money was not given um that the town is going to have a choice at town meeting for um whether to to to forward that those funds over to the society at a later date um so that that is clearly understood that is what the original request was there was two requests in their letter one one was for the building one was for the money as separate entities um a few things we need to talk about um

is how do we is just a decision a vote by the board to actually execute that transfer and to put that on the warrant uh there's another uh second issue about the artifacts and the contents in the building has come up um that those those are in most most items in there also

belong with the building itself and then the other item that we need to put in there is making sure that we have a um um reversion Clause uh in order to have the building revert back to the town in the event that the society just doesn't become a society anymore they go away now that could be 10 years from now 100 years from now who knows but to have that revert back to the town including its contents at that point um and then a separate discussion would need to be had uh by the board about Warren article on how to allocate the $31,000 or there about to the society um

and craft that for the town to vote on those are the the things that we should discuss um at this point and uh I will I have any questions I'd like to make a motion go ahead Josh so I'd make a motion that we uh what that we uh put on the agenda for the town

meeting uh the question I'm not going to phrase it but essentially uh this a town support transferring the Union Church to the ger Historical Society for the sum of $1 for the use use of uh uh a museum and meeting space for the

to have the right of person refusal for the town should um the building be sold uh and inversion should the building not be used for um for Museum and um um and or meeting space um out how to phrase the the items issue I think I think that's something separate as I'm as I'm talking out loud I think that's a separate issue that we should talk about how the board wants to handle that um but that would be the motion I would make second second for discussion second second is for discussion second that second discussion yeah so um there's a

few things that I'd like to talk about around this um one of them being that when I look at the um map I thought I printed it that um the church sits on one lot it's two separate Lots the church sits on one lot and then um the parking lot the current parking lot is on another lot and so I think we have to talk about um the intent of the land is the intent

to lease the lot and they own the building the way that we lease the softball field so that the land itself remains Town old property or is the intention to transfer both lots and the building um because without the second lot

there's no parking associated with the church so we just haven't discussed that part of this at all and so I think it's important for us to make sure we have that conversation as well is history if history history bus can correct me there was another building on that lock that was I believe actually tied to the church is that correct it was the Masonic Hall the mic Hall was there so I believe the two lots go together along with the church I don't believe we would make a differentiation and that's how it should be written I don't see I don't see that this needs to be a least you know as long as we have a right of first refusal and and we have the reversion clause in there for that property to revert back to town um you know I'm not sure there's any value in trying to splp that out um plus you take your popping away sounds like so well I think that whether we think should be two lots or not this map show

it is so we would I think it would be wise and whatever we do to address that and say both Lots as listed y in the wording y I don't I don't mind putting it in the wording watch you just go not yeah yeah I think that's fine just I think that's a good point okay any other questions I have a question for clarification on your motion so it would be to have it in one warrant article to both give the church and the money no no

the only motion I made was to to sell GI the church for that could potentially be a second that's a second issue so would you you know accept the friendly amendment to gift the church and the associated for1 so I think By Design that's the way it should be done you know when you do the quick plan deed over to them it should Encompass both properties that and chge I I do think I never thought I um because of the contents that should be a separate article and also because of the fact that you want to put a vision in there that where the town may take it back if they feel the town should probably anding

through yeah I'm more comfortable I know that we have the authority to hand property over but I'm more comfortable with this being it's not like we're getting rid of an old you know dump bed or something that like that we're not using on trck anymore that gives a that gives the public participation process there I think is important

okay all right any other discussions yes I'm trying to articulate what it is that I want to say can you just give me one second to think about how I want to say this please received this board has has to determine that we think that

money is intended for public use so because we're not going to own the property if if the transfer goes through um and so with that being said I think it's important to establish whether or not we feel that way and and so that it is known in good

faith that if that is in fact Our intention to put that question also on the warrant I I think that that's important to know and have on record can I just briefly I think the public place is why I included the language of Museum and meeting space because I think that makes it a public place okay so I no and I understand and that is that is what the lawyer letter says and we do have to um we approach the money or talk about that we have to be careful about yes how how that's allocated um one idea that was thrown out to me by a a previous select board member for many years ago is that um we tie that money to grant money that they raise and we match and utilize the money in a matching capacity um in which case it becomes again the town's got some oversight into how the money is utilized and make sure that it goes specifically to to that building when the time comes so um it give us again more involvement using Town

money for a town um for a reason Town don't have to make any determination on based off my understanding we wouldn't have to make any determination for public use to uh to transfer the property where we would have to make that determination is to transfer the funds so I think that that is a kind of a discussion for a separate motion if we're talking about the motion with J just having that be voted by the town to transfer the property the church is sep I agree it's a separate I just I'm just going to explain my train of thought yeah is that if we if we put this over there to transfer the money and we no longer own the building right and then it's not established that we believe as a board that this is going to be intended for public use then my

understanding of this memo is that if this board does not believe that this is going to be intended for public use it would not be the right thing for us to do to put that question on the warrant so I want to make sure that before we transfer the property this board let to be known whether or not the and Josh just explained why he did this motion that way and I'm comfortable with that um but because then if that if we didn't as a board collectively feel that when the town does not own this building anymore we can't give this money to them right then then I would want to find a pathway to make that happen before we transferred it whether it was the thing that we talked about before where we PID we put yeah yeah money for a contractor or something like that so I did that that's what I'm trying to establish is what the intent is and whether or not as a board we feel it will be used for public use because if we don't feel that

way as a board the money discussion does matter matter before the transfer in my opinion I mean the way everybody has been coming to us with these this request is it'll remain public use and remain as Museum our stipulation on the building is keeping it as a museum that's what we're intending to use to be otherwise it rever back to us so I I I think it's already say baked into this motion if we put it on the warrant that way and it's automatically I'll use the word assume you never anything but it's automatically intended for public use thus we have the right to ask the town to put the $31,000 towards the uses of museum for

the town durm as a separate article and again that's you know it'll be a separate article on purpose and it'll be you know up to the society and others to convince the town of that because it is Town money um granted they've already voted to go and use it in that capacity I think there's a um thirst to keep that

building up by a number of town uh folks um you know and obviously via town meeting we've seen a majority of town votes vote for that money I I I feel as though all in good faith that everybody's going to continue doing that and giv their own money to the society later for that reason one other question that I have and this would be for Jerry or Mark is that if we because we're we're establishing that this is going to go with two different questions it's not going to go together the the building and the money right that let's say the town votes I I agree with you wholeheartedly but I think it's important to understand the what the could bees are right so let's say the town votes to to transfer the ownership of the building but they don't vote to trans transfer the money that money is currently in a restricted using the right word it's so is that that's restricted the Union fund well it is restricted to it

so if they vote not to do that because that's in a restricted fund named for the Union Church then what and and if the town votes not to give them the money which I don't believe that that will happen but it could happen then what happens to that transfer yeah we'll just transfer it to the general fund well you would need to have a separate separate article you have to have a separate article to to take it from the to the general right right we do a separate article but it wouldn't go General so it sounds like we would need to have two articles you only vote on the second one if the first corre that's correct that's how that work but that's a good distinction to find out I was just going to say based off of some feedback I think that if we just word the warrant article well carefully like Josh had alluded to actually use language like for the continued public use as a museum and a meeting space for the society that

that kind of and if if I'm voting yes on that it's because I believe that the building is going to be continued to use for Public public use all right so first we have um on the table for a vote is uh to um add this uh Union Church to the agenda for the town meeting is a warrant article to transfer the church for a dollar and Associated U uh land cels um

to use as a I'll say museum for now we can word SM that later when the article uh gets worded uh with a write of first refusal by the town if the the building were to be put up for sale uh and a reversion um uh clause in there for reverting back to the town in the event that the society uh dissolves for some reason um and then um we'll talk about content so and my last thing is just I I just question if the reversion Clause should be a separate

building exercise that so I think even disband yeah depending on how it's worded I agree with you but if they disbanded was rever back in the time then you would have to exercise when I brought that up originally my mine was more of my suggestion was more of a first R refusal that if it were going to be sold or it was going to be dismantled you know what that we would have the the board at the time would have the option to choose whether or not the town wanted to reassume ownership of it but you put something in there for I I wasn't sales price on an automatic situation yeah we'll buy it back right you got something the reversion cause came from the attorney so I would I like that term

better should be one in there I'm just questioning whether should be a separate question whether I I think so I think the specific details of what the contract would look like are not necessarily what's needs to be hashed out tonight right not not what goes on right and so I think should the town approve this come the meeting after or whatever then um or or even before we instruct the attorney you know this is what we're looking at to provide it and we can provide feedback um but I don't think it's going to be I I I don't think as an

attorney would ever do an automatic reversion anything like that so um that's my onlys or like your your motion is to say that the transfer should be decided by the town not by us we can figure out the details for the warrant language leading up to me is that I think right I want the town to be presented with an outline of what sort of what we're looking at but when you get to the nitty-gritty the specifics of what it it's going to look like what what the town and what the side you're going to sign then I think there has to be some further discussion with the attorney and have it all drafted out because I don't think we want to put a two or three page contractor and propos deed no mine was more what I was mentioning is simply for the question on that not in regards to uh property transfer just in regards to the question to the public how whether or not they want class but

the attorney you may when it comes to the attorneys whether the town attorney recommends what I'm I think it needs to be there make sure um and we have the letter yeah um that I I would just like to have for um historical recording purposes because I had mentioned before around the Methodist Church it's very difficult to

um research the any part of how that transaction went there's not a lot of of documentation or record keeping around that um and so I know that TI is here tonight and if it would be okay with everybody I would just like to have her go on record to say that this is in fact what the Historical Society wants to do and let them speak for themselves if if everybody's on board with that just to come to the

camera behind you sorry so I'm Tia Wilson and I am the chair of the Duram Historical Society I've been a member of the society for a little over 15 years um and at one point I was the only member so I kind of kept it going by myself and we have currently nine members including an archivist who's here um so we have been able to and photograph every single item within the church for the first time ever so it's pretty important so yes we want 100%

want this building it's our home we love it um we're excited about the opportunity we're ready to do fundraising we're ready to beg and ple we're ready to write grants um we're ready so whenever you guys are ready we have our Dollar in cash quarters pendes however you want all bills thank you TI any other questions no okay thank you thanks for being here thank you okay um so we have a motion on the table transfer of the church for $1 including the parcels is used as a museum putting that on Town warrant language will be um generated by

the lawyer um for the warrant article and we will look at U making the uh reversion language either a separate article or um or part of the same lawyer us two cents on that that's I just have a point of order question to make sure that I understand correctly so the what we're voting for right now is that this board wants to go forward for putting this on the warrant that's correct we don't have all the logistics and specifics ironed out yet and when we do that we'll have the opportunity to vote on those things again we will vote on the warrant article itself as written yeah we will craft that based on the language provided by the lawyer yeah okay okay all in favor okay all opposed nobody opposed that was unanimous all right Tak care of

the a motion the funds yes sir um so I would make a motion that we includes a um at the to me asking the town if if we want to set aside a total of I think it's $31,000 um I think there's about don't remember all the numbers in the specific I'm looking I'm looking at Jerry for specific numbers I could look at but I can't remember I I had it until yesterday all right so it's a near budget so there's there's

2,457 the 10 that got ra last year reverts back to General funds so if you're going to do 30 you're going to have to raise 10 of them again or or TR however you just need to if you're going to go 30d you have to find 10 somewhere and so so I was going to say 31,000 so the 214 that's there plus the additional 9,500 whatever and I and and and I would

say transfer but again I think this is for us to vote to put it on and and then put little wording will be figured out later yes uh so to to um I think the the appro word is appropriate $31,000 is that what you're going to go with 31 that's good then we can figure out how much you got to transfer appro appropriate $31,000 so transfer whatever from the the the account and then the remaining from the general fund um for um the specific purpose of uh

assisting the Historic Society um in paying for repairs to the Indi church and and uh and so I had a conversation and the reason I'm I'm wording it that way if I maybe be a little inappropriate and explain uh is um you know I I work for the Attorney General's office when I'm in DA's office and there's an assistant district attorney who lives in Durham who I speaking with tonight and we had a conversation about you know what is your feeling about giving them the money or holding on to the money and giving it to them for a specific purpose um and and one of the things we talked about was how there was just $112,000 stolen from a fund up in K County um and not that we expect that to happen but um um as as a

board I think we have to our fiduciary duty for the town uh and that would and that would mean to me uh the protect the town's money uh we've put that into an account that can be used for that but not give it outright um not not saying we don't trust but that's just I think the more appropriate way to do it to protect the town's money just in case and so again it would be to to appropriate $31,000 for the benefit of the Union Church to assist in the hisor Society uh with repairs um so I got one question EXC me

on um are you indicating that the select board would have the authority then to distribute that money on a request I my what I would expect is yes is that the the Historic Society would would come to either the S well to the town to the town manager and say hey this is what we have and then our next meeting it would be presented to us is they need this money to pay or as a as a matching brand or however it's used um the best benefit

okay second second Joe seconds okay questions so respectfully I would just like to say that that's kind of the situation that we've been in all along and they've come to the board and they've asked the board for money to make repairs and we have an account set up that has money in it and those things haven't happened and so I completely agree with you in terms of the fiduciary responsibility I don't know how to alleviate that situation because they've been in that situation there's many time I mean I there's I printed off the warrant article saying um you know they were on the warrant it says they we're asking the town on the warrant article to transfer $10,000 into the restoration account and right underneath it it says select Bo um suggest no and so I just don't want to be I don't want them to now own this building and and continue to be in the same situation where where the board is not funding the repairs that they need

to have done how how do we alleviate that situation that's all I'm um I have kind of a similar thought process because it's like I understand what you're saying like not saying we don't trust anyone but you know you give someone 30 grand and say use it wisely don't necessarily know what exactly is going to happen I mean I have the faith but we see you see people doing wrong things all the time in your work you know um so I think that's an important thing to think about but at the same time like Heather just said I feel like we're essentially saying it's the exact same thing but now you all own the building you still have to come and ask us for for the money so it's kind of like not giving them the agency to work on it in a timely manner um and so I'd be wondering if there's a way to I guess this is just a discussion a way to word emotion where it's almost like they're gifted the money for building repair

expenditures or even if there was like a timeline to be spent within two years or something like that to just say this isn't a blank check this is a you can't all sudden to say everyone on the society receives a salary right you know I'm not saying they would say that but just kind of dictating a little bit more adding a couple strings so we can really pass that straight face test of this is for the public benefit at the same time give them more agency and at this point when they own it they're the ones deciding the roof should be done before the sill or X Y and Z if we go with this model they're now coming back to us and saying we would just want to do this do you agree with us so I just feel like it's just it would be smoother if we could just get them everything so I don't know how that motion would necessarily achieve achieve that do you understand where I'm I do and so if you want more specific

language that I would propose um is is it would be that the the town authorized Town authoriz expenditure up to authorization or authorizations um up to a total of $31,000 for repair work for or improvements paid paid to a contractor directly for the benefit of the UN Church yeah so I'm just a little more comfortable something like that because I think that a process where they're coming and saying this is what we're spending the money on please cut the check would be faster and more efficient and give them more agency versus hey can we spend the money on this and I I like what that sort of modification a little bit better it's kind of like a construction loan mortgage where the bank pays right that's how that's how I re see that I just get out ofs wasn't funding yeah is it is they

they come in and say here's our contract here's what we need here's a check yeah I just don't want them to have to do you understand where I'm coming mother may I yeah it kind of seems like you're let the kid build the house but you're you're still got the budget you know you're G the

the right track how how the wording and or how the um how it's laid out that's I would the I think the first thing for the board decides whether or not you deem this of public use and I think this committee should come to the board with a presentation for lack of the words they business plan on how this is going to be accessible how this is going to be used for public use prior to us even getting to this point that would have to happen before the warrant right so we can table this for now and then and then have them come back um a

I'd kind of say like maybe let's think about the previous motion we just put that thing because our discussion there was inherently by saying that this is going to be given to them for a museum and for their meeting space implies that we're saying that we're giving it to them for public use and now saying but before you get the money come back and say we believe it's we believe it's public use so like I thought that us putting that on the mo on the warrant was indicating our support of public use I don't know what they're going do with the building I that's why it's to the think that needs to be determined and that I feel like that exactly what you're saying is very fair in terms of the fact that I'm asking for this to be able to be documented well for historical purposes and whatnot that if they did come and they present this as what their intended public use is that's all part of the whole transaction

history of of what's going to come you know I'm comfortable with that also yeah I think I alluded to it earlier that you know for the the money portion of it it would be incumbent on them to present to the town present to us first on putting it on the warrant and then they might want to repeat that for the town in town meeting for that warrant article would be a good thing would be in their best interest to do that I think PRI town a board have to be exactly Endor or not I don't know you

can't presently sit here in good Fai and that based upon the information we given that's why it has to be presented another meeting and then we can move forward so you're meaning like coming forward saying this is going to be used for this open minimum of 10 hours a month for public It's like because you I'm not saying they would do this but if they say oh it's a museum but it's only open for one hour every third Sunday you know those you're saying making sure that it passes that straight Bas test I don't yeah what what how do you define public use right I don't really have an answer for that but there really has to be something put in motion says it is going to be accessible or available to the public for these needs whether it's on a like something like the Eureka sener does or for whether it's you know six times a year we're having grades one or K through five go there and tour it you know things like that how it's going

to be used for public use and public display to use Public Funding is the way I interpreted the money discussion we get pull that motion back Josh pull the motion back we'll table it the one for the warrant oh no the money sorry we already did the other one building build building going warant um and then we'll table the money for a separate discussion we don't need that one immediately do you have what you need to come back and put something together we we've done it 10 times already we presented it to you guys 100 times so we've got it in our back pocket I can email it tomorrow all right it's been a museum for 40 years it's been open to the public every third Sunday since 1979 um so I'm just confused by that

well just D that off and we'll take a look at it again we it's actually all included in the packet that the UCC provided yeah okay thank you you're welcome all right so that would just look like us in a formal setting having them voting to say we believe that this is adequate public use Y and then now that we've checked that box for the lawyer which says we have to before we can even put on the warrant we have to show the public use then it goes on there and then we're good to go but I think that those check box checking and like you said being in a public form where people can watch the video and see that it seems nitpicky but I think it it is an important step just so there's no question and everyone that is that we're put in now I think is valuable for keeping it solid in the future let me just because I can appreciate what T is saying of matter is if you have a new board and you have now a legal

interpretation from the town's attorney reques this to be done and that's why this should be done in more of a formal um respects to in terms of a plan and so forth and how it's going it seems like we all have the same desire we just need to check the boxes yeah that's that's that's really what we need my last thing I and I think it probably goes without saying but just to make sure we it seemed as though we were all in agreement about the $31,000 because we're about to move into budget conversation and so in terms of that just even though we haven't taken a vote even though we haven't seen the presentation just for planning purposes so yeah and and I so I actually did the math here while I S here so there's 21457 in the budget today allocated to the union church and if I subract from the 31,000 that's

allocated as extra money to make it $31,000 even okay correct so what is it I Got U 21457 is what's in the current budget today that's correct the balance would be 8,543 to make $31,000 okay n5,000 it's 9,549 30 31 31 no I it from I get it

from 30 yeah it's 31 that's why I was kind of like puzzled here I was oh sorry my fault that's why I said it right next item on our agenda thank this presentation thank you Mr chair so you all received this packet budget packet probably looks a little different than what you're used to seeing maybe maybe some of you that have been on the board longer maybe some of you that haven't is change so I just want to talk about the process of putting this budget together before I dive into it so myself

and Bo commissioner uh Bomier and fire chief trip we start this process in October at the budgets it may seem early but we've had probably three or four meetings to look at this budget apply the Appropriations at what we think we um need for the next year we always don't have the actuals to go on so we have to like annualize it when we start it and we still don't have all the actuals because de summer bills are still coming in but we put this budget together and we think it's a it's a really good a really good budget and where we was a year ago where we are now is not today as far as your manager is concerned and understanding the budget okay so we'll just start right off on the first page and we'll get right into it ask a question when we're going through do you want us to ask as we go through or wait until you're completely done um we can do kind of a mix okay because if you interrupt and I'm on a

train of thought I may lose my train of thought Okay so you know i' say as much as you can keep write your questions down as you go in the sections and then we'll come back to maybe stop at the end of a section yeah maybe we'll let's just go and we'll see how it goes let him go on his roll because I do want to get everything out and then we can go back and look at things the best way so we'll start the summary page because everything behind it kind of circles back to the summary I mean this is really where the rubber needs to move for the most part all right so we're going to look at the Bold numbers on the right hand side going down the column that 5.6 that you see that is additional spending over the

uh budget of 23 okay so if you wanted any additional spending over the actual is actually 8.3 so you don't have that there but uh because we always look at the uh percentage variance from the last budget all right so that's what that .6 represents additional spending over the budget of 23 okay when you go down to the uh

funding revenues you see that 9.5 that's an addition what we're kind of projecting over the budget you can see in the budget in 23 we we estimated 2.2 in Revenue so we actually did 2.4 so there actually only a 1.6 increase over the actual revenues that we're projecting so we ask St to project revenues now okay that's what that 95 is that 4.5 that's the gap between the two all right so in the 500,000 that you see in parenthesis that's using the undesignated fund balance or the fund balance to get to a zero flat tax rate and that's what I'm proposing to do that I'm recommending if you folks you certainly uh your mileage may vary on that but that's kind of like where we are from a summary standpoint we'll get into the what's driving these numbers here in a second but that's that's where we're at as far as the Appropriations revenue and what we're that 500,000 is really the number that you should play

with um to to because you're going to add or subtract from this budget this is a first read if you will okay because there's some things that you need to vote on that I have in here that I just placeold maybe you like them maybe you don't that's that's certainly up to you folks can I ask a question sure um I understand that the um the expenses which we're still using the actual is not accurate but for the funding is that the year to date or the actual for for the year correct yeah

what we have for December 31st but we still don't have all the invoices that came in that DEC yeah but it is through December 31st invoices that that we've gotten so far right yeah so the actual might change but the fun the budget correct will stay the same right the actual will definitely change because we we still have December bills coming in right but the budget we're not going to change the budget when we get done with the actuals the budget is the budget the budget is the budget okay you folks may change some items in the budget because I've got some things in there that are placeholders that you folks need to vote on y I don't know how you're going to vote so and I and I'll point that out to when we get going okay so we can go down through this next page but this you can just sort of see what we're you know sort of estimating as far as what we're um increasing the um revenues what we're

estimating so there's really not a a whole lot to see there because it's summarized all right just news I I don't want to go through every number we'll be here all night you can kind of look at this as I go through a bigger a bigger part of it I will say if you go back to the to the uh very first page so what I want what I as far as the summary what's driving this the spending so General government which is you know the administration that's assessing that's planning and codes it's Telecom that's all that stuff there's a 2.5 increase in that okay Public Safety is up 15.2% and we'll talk about what's driving that and Public Works is up 5.5% we'll talk about what's driving that when we get into it so you can see on the second page I get a little ahead of myself what what we're projecting for revenues and it's modest I mean from the actuals we're only projecting a 1.6 increase okay right now

so look at know there's really not see we're just project we they're projections we don't know if we're going to how much we're going to come in low or high so that's that's really the part of Municipal budgeting that makes it well kind of fun actually because you always want to see how you how you come in um so I'm looking at the line fire department permits and fees and in 2022 it was 82,000 in change which what page um on the second page y about halfway down y

um and then no budget in that line 2023 I'm assuming this is just because we' changed categories but I just want to understand why 82 and change in 2022 the actual in 2023 is 339 and then the budget is 35 what happened there I I don't know what happened in 2022 I can't tell you I wasn't I wasn't so I'm not really sure

and things need to get coded appropriately with new staff they're kind of learning so you'll see in some of these places like in some revenues we've got like a 25 miscellaneous well we really shouldn't have that so in cleaning up this budget Mark did a lot of work trying to like figure out what should be what where where it should be and so some of that you're gonna it's G to look kind of

of the year the first half of the year the revenue was coded the way that the trio had been set up there and didn't make sense to me to try and figure out what exactly was what uh so that's why you see like 50 if you look on page three uh on the other revenues you see miscellaneous revenues of $50,000 my suspicion is that a lot of some of the revenues were just coded to miscellaneous Revenue when they could have been coded to some of these other codes so the fire department fees is or the fire department of permits is primarily the hydrant rentals I think they are hydrant rentals or hydrant something um I don't I looked at that as well and I was like well they had 82,000 in fy20 2 but all I see in FY 23's um

Journal is 33,000 I don't know if that makes sense I don't know how you guys um generate that Revenue but my suspicion is that some of that money was in the was in the miscellaneous Revenue sometime during the first six months before we started doing the uh the transactions so Jerry and I went through these and we were really just basing the FY 24 estimates off of FY 23 actuals um which is why we're looking at okay well we had 33,000 looks I don't know what goes into that I assume it's hydrant rentals but I don't know how much that that generally or normally should be so that mean hydrant rental that's the way it was set up that's good question I think they ambulance fees in general I no no they're separate from they're separate from ambulance fees it the the O Old Co code in Trio said hydrant fees or hydrant something I have no idea and that's where how gets coded feed go ahead sorry I'm sorry I

didn't know if there if there was a new subdivision if there's an impact feed for putting in a yeah so it as he said really gets coded by a person not the fire department we don't take possession of it but there are permitted fees on developments whether

that's making a dry hydrant there 25 those in town all that is really through planning I I think it's just a coding issue years past also what'll water that down Heather to to answer your question for that third page is ambulance Revenue

um I had a big discussion with the town manager today the ambulance fees right yes I see um in the last two years we've gone from 32,000 to Triple that so we're looking at almost 100 ,000 Revenue ambulance fees paid to the town and that comes in two ways Calmar will will give it to you and that gets coded and then they'll they'll receive checks um the staff at the window will literally receive checks sometimes for the ambulance fees and it's just how that's coded again not the fire department doesn't get it it goes into undesignated that type of stuff uh but it is being cleaned up because that's been in two different spots right so you just want to be aware that it takes a couple well not not more than a couple years actually once you get two years under your belt of consistently coating things the same way it makes this comparison from one year to the next a lot easier so usually almost all the time every time i' I've

done this with towns the first year we're we're taking a look at okay well what was that the prior Year's actuals what was budgeted and what are we budgeting this year often you're going to have wonky like looks wonky but you what we're just trying to do is for FY 24 come up with a good estimate and then for FY 24 also record it correctly so that in fy2 and FY 26 we can start to get consistent numbers from one period to the next that you can actually see some Trends and see some this is almost like a better Baseline to startop from right just seems inconsistent coding you're not really comparing app and if you look at the the fire department permits and fees and you look at the you add those up that's the triple number that that chap is talking about they were just in two different places so that's another P little clean up as we do the next iteration of the budget next year because as Mark said we we

just get more consistent our coding and okay thank you for thing yeah go down through the revenues I want to try to get into the whole Appropriations if you if you will if you don't have any any other questions with this stuff you've got time like I said this is this is going to change this is just the first read so I have I have I don't want to I don't want to split hairs so I'm the state revenue sharing um what page you on I'm on page two y uh the start down at the bottom of the last section and we have the actual as um 646 73 page 2 page 2 13- 6300 yeah

um and then it up is because it would change the numbers when we like go through printed it off where is it um $ 74,2 us yeah we probably didn't get the the December one in there yet okay okay good oh actually no I remember now um when I was looking through Trio the first month or two months wasn't recorded just a revenue sharing okay so I don't I'd have to I'd have to do basically an audit to go through and figure out where it got coded okay um but yeah right that's why also it just changes the math equation on the front when we're figuring out what we want what we have versus what we want to use so that what do you mean it changes what we have versus so if

intergovernmental right if we're using that state revenue sharing number that's in this in the budget that is written here not the one that the state says that they paid us um it's a difference of $93,000 51 $9 3,51 right so then when we come down to the where it's um 2,456 718 that number changes to 2.5 million in change which then brings us to a different number down here do you see what I'm saying yeah but all of the and all of the actuals that number is still going to change yeah let me just ask let me ask you are you asking that because you you are you have a concept of that revenue is to is available to be used no I understood that completely from your last meeting and I appreciate that right my thing is that if we're basing what we believe the projected revenue is going to be right if we're looking at that and it's and and our numers actually 100 almost $100,000 higher y that when we

are projecting what it might be you could up but that could be upped but then also when we get to the end and we have what we we spent versus what we received then more of that would be left that would have laps back into the general fund that's correct so that that's why I just want to make sure that we're calculating that because it's $100,000 yeah right yep I agree okay

thank appr any government so this this has changed can you say the P sorry yeah can look at sorry no I thought you were I mean we can we can look at these numbers we're going to look they're going to be the same when you know what I mean

everybody good with six yeah cu the number at the bottom is the number that you see on page yeah no I got I okay I just stopped on page um so so we're up like we said 2.5% I think in the on the that's what this Department's up there you're going to see a lot of minus signs on here so I think things note in this uh budget is Allan the CEO used to be in administration he has moved out he is down in uh planning and codes because that's that's kind of its own Department didn't really ever belong in administration so he's now out okay um

so you're looking so now we don't really list every person that works there and what they have we're looking at the bigger picture here so the big difference that you'll see at least in the administration is the part-time staff wages because we're sort of not sort of we're losing Mark so we're kind of down an employee but he's more than just one more than one employee because he's like really smart right so so we have to do something right so what I what I decided to do was our part-time staff we have two of them they work 10 hours a week both of them that's what they're budgeted for I move them up to 20 hours a week so we always have somebody on that window so because we're taking AP over again um that person

needs more time away from that window to be able to code things right because you know when they don't you get these kinds of questions of why are things coded this way why is that that way so it's really to give that that person some time quick quick get both parttime would both go up to 20 hours correct yes so they're both part-time 20 hours Tot so no benefits they they don't you know keep that down so what that does is it allows one of them to show up at 8 till like one the other one comes in at 12 and works to Clos so there's always that one person on the window which is going to help us out tremendously so that's the increase in the in the part-time staff reaches can I ask a question about that sure are they ever overlapping because they are our

telecommunications or what I'm not sure how we're referring to that but if they're doing the window and they're the only one that's here is that is there is it accounting for for that other it work to be able to be getting done yes okay yeah we're good okay yeah I took I took the Telecom wages out of Telecom they are now administration because they work behind that window more than they're doing Telecom stuff I mean we're put I mean kimy does a great job with the website and all that sort of stuff but she also spends a lot of time behind that window so I just want to make sure that we're still having an employee that can do all

the it stuff that needs to get done yes okay if we take care of our employees they will stay yeah but if they're on the window can they still do that other job yes because we still have our our two other employees that work there that okay yeah we're good we're good I'm we're still down a half a person though from what we have that's just the way the numbers are we'll try to make it work we'll do the best we can that's all we can do I we can only work with the resources we have okay other than that nothing really else is um changed for the most part uh

if you look at some of these numbers the training and development that last year's budget was 8,000 you didn't spend nearly that much so I reduced it down to four um a travel and mileage that there is kind of it was a little bit bigger it's not here but that's just for our staff Administration staff to go to trainings that's the 500 the travel and mileage in this Administration budget before was all which was bigger so you'll see that planning Co moved okay but the rest of these numbers as you go down pretty much the same uh we can look at business services and the and payroll so I'm going to Outsource payroll to Bangalore savings just so we can have a constant payroll and I'm leaving $330,000 in there for some consultant services to help us with and you know hopefully it it can be marketed there's no guarantee but if he can't for whatever reasons maybe there's somebody else that that we don't have the

expertise right now in the office to do this stuff Mar is going to do for us we don't have it in ter is that in terms of accounts payable accounting period getting ready for the audit financial statements reconciliation we're going to try it we're going to try to do what we can um but if we need to get things cleaned up we looked at um that's what that Line's for okay General Insurance is General Insurance do there's not much we can do about that I have a quick question about that yeah is does that include building insurance and whatnot so I just didn't know if we if the transfer of the Union Church goes through how much of an impact that would have on that number I don't have that information right now not much okay well it will show up the next year if there is we'll see it then yeah

there's really no there's I mean if you look at the numbers there's really no different than I mean some things have moved there's there's no doubt and we talk about those but uh change on Printing and copying what's daging that where where tell me what number it is uh 20-

212% yeah well 22% but you're only talking yeah but I just wasn't sure if there was something that happened caused it to be twice as expensive yeah so Telecom had also had a printing and copy in I moved it and moved it up to this that was just do that also true with election cost no election cost should stay should stayed put they weren't in any other different other department we just spend does that mean we overspend oh no the actuals so uh the election cost budget last year was 2250 this for fy2 two uh 24 Jerry wants it as 2200 that negative - 242 is because RSU reimburses the town for election costs and actual election costs are the combination of this election cost line here 27801 and the election workers which is up in 27026 which is up uh up there and instead of trying to split it out how much did they how much did they of their reimbursement went to election costs it was just coded and how much went to

election worker wages it was just coded to that one election cost line so that's technically negative - 242 but if you if you net that - 242 with the election worker wages of 3 36 whatever it comes out to you know uh $3,400 is what we actually what the town spent on Election cost after rsu's reimbursement does that make sense it does I was thinking it wasn't going to but we got got to the end of it and I got it yeah okay okay thank you it just makes it easier for me to code it to one account in two different places got it thank you yeah and some of these election costs what I did is I sat down with with Jessica we sat down and we went over the whole election thing asked her what she thinks

historically you might give but I always saw gorial and presidential election years that budget stantially because of so much extra staff needed you usually like a town election usually going to bring 400 you might have 4,000 plus people voting on presidential plan well we sat down and we put their wages and how many folks elections we just what they get paid and we just did the math and that's what it come out to presidential the town staff is going to be there as well helping to help out yeah oh I see what you're saying so you're offsetting the cost with Town cost with presidential where because you know voting is under a major microscope so I mean question and I know I get it so don't be surprised if we shut the office on Election Day just because it's going to be all hands on I you're saying you're going to fund it you're going to kind of fund it by with it's just that one day it's really

not a whole lot of money I just historically I knew we bump that number up for the bigger elections for um are increase there's really not a lot not a lot of increases that's pretty flat so if you have any questions I mean you can continue to take at it it's pretty pretty flat so not much to talk about i' say it looks pretty good the the only thing that you mentioned tonight that I just I didn't know and it was more of a policy question would be um switching to a payroll provider which personally I think is an excellent idea that for years does that not trigger putting out rmp automatically like to go to Bangor Savings in the past when we did it we had to put it out well I talk to three different folks in bang La savings and come recommended and they were they were good I that's what I want to do I understand what you're what the in terms of what the towns says we have to do when it's a service over x amount of dollars because

I'm assuming it's going to cost over $5,000 for Bud 10 I mean I I I can do that it's just it's I'm just asking the question I'm not saying to do it I'm just asking if that's what we had to do that's all I'm not saying you have to do it right wearing a p year okay you know and we need to do something cuz the payroll hasn't been right since I've been here I mean the payroll has been right but crws haven't been haven't been right sick time isn't right I mean people we have an employee right now that's really upset because it's it's hasn't been right so I want to get it going I mean I I suppose I can put it out the bid but it's going to be relatively same actually one of the companies that uh I talked to was way more than Bang without find out to no there there's certainly I think you're missing what I'm saying there there's certainly companies that fluctuated we all been there done that anybody's ever used a payroll company I

was just asking if we have to put it up if he's asking if the town policy is that when we're going to contract policy if we're going to contract a service out and it's over a certain amount of money is there a policy that exists that we have to put that out to bid I'm completely comfortable I think I thought it was five but I could be I could be wrong I think it's like 10 grand if it's I I'll have to look you I'll do it more FYI than it is to stop the process I understand but with all the stuff that's happened I wanted to get going and get this thing and I I can appreciate that but in the same token we we thought that was maybe being handled already by a third party and being corrected who in in terms of whether it's you know with Mark services and in-house doing the payroll there we thought that was being corrected in terms of the way it's going so if we're going to go to a third party all I'm saying is you could I don't have

a problem if you want to make that decision unilaterally I'm just asking did you look into that because I talk three different payroll companies and most of them I get it right no I get it just we've done in the past we've done it I'm just saying we had to formally put and I can do that if you want to go through that form that's no problem I'm not saying I want to I'm just saying just be cautious that's all I'm saying if you look into it I'm just making it on your RAR let's leave it at that and I'll do it just just to I I'll check a policy you might not have to um and if that policy doesn't exist

to give you that Authority that's exactly the policy that we want to know about so that we can do that if if that's what's needed that's for a different day just put that on radar otherwise I'm not going to be able to give you a budget number until we do the RP that's a month really pushing the envelope here time also you have to you also have to I'm going to be leaving the firm and you're not going to have anybody to do payroll U by you Fe

January 31st probably February 15th very latest so you really do need to kind of get on the ball to to get pay up and so I get I get I get the question is there policy I don't know if there's policy if there is if there is my suggestion would be that the select board just simply vote to say in this in this case it was fine I think that's what we did with Mark didn't the board before that though didn't we didn't the board vote to authorize Jerry to enter into a contact contract for we can do that once the funds are set aside by the town but I I and again I'm not saying this is the policy just to be clear I know in the past we looked this was probably five six years ago looked to go separately and have it done independently and we had to go through and get more more than one bit to do it because it was a certain dollar am I think we have bids from paychecks we have bids from action payrolls we have

bids from that's what I'm saying I'm not saying I'm not saying we shouldn't go this direction because I'm a big advocate of it I'm just saying right I don't know if we did the due diligence that maybe necessarily we have to do to meet our mandate by the town that's alling quick question Jerry this $10,000 amount is that an exact figure is it was it below 10 in yeah so I I believe we have the authority to expend up to $10,000 on something with just select V is this just a one term onee term you don't have to sign multiple year contract with them for the payroll it's a it's a certain amount every year it may but when you when you sign up with them is it a multi-year agreement or just a one year it'll go year year right so what I'm getting is it sounds like we can probably just if it's under $10,000 we can just vote to spend it without having to do that and then that buys you time so if we do need

an RFP process for a longer term thing that would give Jerry time but it sages the concerns with the payroll right and and I understand that you know when things are going good and things it's not always black and white we are in a pinch I made a decision and and I'm happy with it because we got to pay our employees just like Mark said he's we don't have anybody we have the time I think I think that the problem we Sol thing first of all I get what you're saying it's not a rich thing I'm just asking the question because we've done it before for and because when we did it we had to put RFP out because of it's not a rich I'm just making you something on your radar I am a big advocate of payroll it's one of the reasons why I got put on the agenda the last time because I don't think we should be doing it in-house because I think it's more of a headache that it's worth and I think there's professionals out there that do

it on a daily basis and it's and it's a service worth its we to go it's not about whether or I think you shouldn't do it because I do think you should do it I'm just making you aware that this is coming to the past and we had to take a different approach right that's all I'm saying right that's what I did so so just right so you made a decision based on what's going on with with ro Associates leaving move forward with that and then look to make sure that we don't later have to put that out to well okay so

what if we do ask that what if we do and we don't have any payroll hold on like for example jar I don't I don't know why this is getting into the discussion that it's getting into I mean you can put an RFP out and say you have 10 days to reply and after 10 days nobody replies and paychecks is the only one you like and you get to pick whatever you want but it's not act like it takes like three years to put on an RP because it doesn't that's all I'm saying I'm not saying you didn't make the right decision for clarification once again I'm just saying we did look at this in the past and we had to because a lot of us just wanted to jump Shi cuz we're tired of some of the mistakes that were happening in the office that maybe you have seen that you have been here and what we were told was we had to put out that's all said so I don't think it fall the purchase follow um so I think I think we're good

yeah I'm not saying it was a purchase or anything I just I just remember specifically and there was like three the just Jerry do you have the direction you need to move forward with the pay question it doesn't seem like no I think we're good yeah okay I just want make sure you get everything yeah I'm good yeah so let's move on to municipal

you see in umal building that's for the cleaning person so that's to clean all the buildings that she cleans so she was basically in every she was in the administration budget she was in public works budget she was in all so we just moved her we changed it to missal buildings she cleans them all that's you know I just didn't want you to get all over that

anymore because the only heat we have is in the Eureka Center and that's electric right now and that's the $6,200 that those heat pumps cost to run I see so that's why the heat is down to just nothing it's all transfer to electricity yeah what about if you need the propane the generator yeah the propane's different it's a different and they don't use any much when it kicks on like it's uh so is it a different line item or a different building no what do you mean like who would F the Eureka Center for propane um well we could fund that at any time well any building the administration can pick it up because that's like a thousand gallon tank right yeah we we haven't put any propane in that thing for a year so yeah since they put the heat pums in I mean you could run 10 we figured out you could run like 10 years on what's in the tank now right cuz it only runs

on what if you looked propane primar I think it's just a kitchen stove that's what I mean I forgot about the stove there's a stove there's a generator does use I mean if you had a longi and if we did use the heat line for it that's in the building but we

don't find anything for it because we got enough in there running this number 6200 for electricity under municipal buildings only represent Eureka no we have electricity that's over in the union church that runs the um security and that sort of Stu it's minimal most of it is in read the church okay so on admin ministration electricity that's the town office yes and then this is Eureka and it's everything other than the town office fire and public works okay everything out street

you may want to increase that electricity well it says right here know all electric bills except admin fi and PD include street lights okay so I'm just going to place the ear Mark that when we get to Eureka there was an electricity line on Eureka that is now zeroed out which makes sense because you're saying it's here right and this this includes your electric fill too and you know yeah so I would just want to know why you when we get there I'm just telling I'm just saying ahead of time why we chose to to not if we're separating it out for every other building why we chose to to not separate it out for eoro when there was already a line there for it because he wants to for those for that Eureka department and the recreation department he for Simplicity sake he just wants to put everything under the municipal buildings department so that's why oh this whole entire line is gone got it good thank you

okay just to kind of clean it up and make everything concise yeah do you know why I'm asking that because when we talk about the rental Center I want it to be proportionate to what we spend something about proposing it incre yeah I mean looking at the actuals here because Jerry you may have come up with the $6,200 PA before we got the final decm numbers oh right again that projection so right he he had had numbers from October and annualize them um so now we have some we have some actual numbers in here uh you guys may want to you may want to increase that just because I mean if I look at if I look at heat and electricity combined it's a $7,700 for actuals through December so you might want to go up from 6200 just just my but again it's not that big of a deal if you're don't so you're saying through December it was 7700 for both heat and electricity in

yeah in that department and that doesn't that doesn't count what was coded to the Eureka definitely you do want to add street lights into so if you're putting it all um in one line you will want to take a you will we will want to take a look at that to make sure that those numbers make sense those might go up won't go up

the heat just to just to roll back on that so this particular one on all municipal buildings this is every building other than other than Administration fire and works it's just so Union Church you the center right anything that's really not the department thank you we we what we did was we created like a buildings and grounds Department got it

maintenance and repairs that we have to do to these buildings this even includes like the Gazebo that need some need some work MMA kind of ding us on that a little bit no they don't find us anything they say could you you know earn Shing do that so just do 5,000 there that's you think that's sufficient Bas I would that be like Town staff working on it or you have the contract work out for that sort of stuff well it's hard to say right

back so this is the other buildings outside of public just the builds that we have now um we briefly heard about stuff uh maintenance and repairs that needed to be done at Thea Center is that are you looking at that in that number or are we waiting to have like a capital Improvement conversation around that okay thank

fix something or I don't know if Now's the Time but I just maybe advocate for a little bit more on that 5,000 line for building repair and maintenance just things are expensive right that's just my two cents y I'll put plus you know anybody else can shoot that down I was thinking no I didn't I mean for clarification that's a good question in terms of that because I I wasn't sure exactly I thought we were just just a presentation for tonight then budget committee Etc will get a presentation or once once you once you adopt the budget the one that you like then we'll we'll hand that over to the budget right were you looking for revisions tonight for the board to make decisions is that's that's what I was get trying to get if you're comfortable with that we can do it tonight but I definitely need a final uh budget approved by the the next budget 23 to give to so the next you can

do it tonight or you can do at the next budget meeting if you're if you're comfortable with making those motions tonight on these lines I mean what if like just like I I know I just heard you say when I said maybe go up on that if that gives you indications just put a little plus and go take a double look at that number and maybe we have some things that we'd say put a little minus next to and then tweak it for us to take a look at stuff he should in that way he could maybe change this prior to giving up to the budget committee saying hey this left is also thinking this and that way because I mean the more as as as a you know I never used to be a big bigger nowaday the closer the budget committee and the subard can be as one for the to makes it a lot easier to um yeah because of we we finally came you know whether that's with G and so forth um we came together kind of as a as a as a as a group to say all right

let's maybe the budgets committee will you know concede a little bit on this one we we'll we'll go down to the budget committee's number on this one that way it makes it a lot easier for towns folk so but it is it is a good idea black when you say to go to down meeting the same numbers oh yeah I mean that's usually the best right we don't want to have any difference if we can avoid it between the budget committee

ear mark that I when you're doing your coding and and I don't know I just don't want that heat line to fall off it won't okay even though we'll leave it there it's the same number as in all in the other departments it's just that we there's no keep using electricity yeah

even though there's a propane we're just not filling the propane tank we're not using the propane it's just eventually we're going to need to so I just don't want that line to fall off even if it's not for 5 years I I I mean we can put a placeholder and put 100 bucks in there if you like won well that's that's basically what I'm asking is if there is no dollar amount in there does the line fall off if we don't budget anything for that line okay you can't it's already right you can you just got EXA okay we used a lot do we want to put

um left but um do we want to um up that gbo line it that line item or not we want do sometimes with that in the past you know we've been told specifically you know let's say and I know we're not going into that tonight I'm not advocating for that you know specifically hey we've got 5 grand in there because we're going to have to replace the entire steps and raing we got an estimate for 4800 bucks whatever it may be um but I agree with and who knows what m is going to cost a week and the coming year so I mean there's no har in having 20 to it just to make sure that you have an overlay and be covered I don't think there's any harm I I looked at what we budgeted and what we spent the actual I mean we only spent a th last year on the Gazebo or just no no just in general did the door the the double doors at Eureka every single year as Neil here he's going to say it we always say we're going to fix

the double door we budget to fix the double door and did that door ever get fixed there's two of them no calv some so uh I'm having a very hard time getting anyone to give me an estimate I've had multiple people look at it they never get back to um we did one estimate for

like just so I got a price on the doors ourselves if we bought the doors it's like $99,000 just for the doors to replace to replace the double do on the back the front de from Hammond Lumber with the exact model and that didn't include the hardware if you bought all of the crash bars and all the hardware that was another $10,000 from him so just let you know that's the cost of right now there's a there so are you saying for all the doors or just the double door that's at the top of the wheelchair ramp the double door in the back is no

good the double door in the front is no good the side doors uh so the price on all of those doors was 8800 something from hand them over yeah so this probably need be a capital discussion it this is just for on we add into this discussion Mar to

also increase the electricity line which would increase it I think my math is correct to about 10 to 12,000 because it's about $10,000 if you add everything together with the street lights the electricity and the realized what Jared did was he moved that heat line to the individual admin fire department and Works which is why it's zero and that does make sense and now when you take a look at just the actuals for electricity and street lights plus whatever was in the Eureka Center $6,200 probably isn't that bad of a a that's what ially then you I realiz we're that's why I asked Jerry that

mind me making a suggestion um so just to make uh the meeting more efficient or the two meetings more efficient if Jerry doesn't the budget until next meeting um to Pro to be able to provide to the budget committee my suggestion would be that this is a presentation meeting to just kind of ask questions then the select board you know over the next two weeks individually go through and then come to the next meeting with simply just hey I'd like to increase this line or this department by x amount for these reasons and then you guys vote on that that would make it a lot easier because otherwise trying to go through individual ones and go well maybe we should vote on this I think that might take a little bit more more time than is necessary that's just a

before we started I mean it's good to ask question but I think voting on budget increases or changes right now yes I think we take a lot more time so would that work like we take a look at this we all put our pluses and minuses where we think we need send that to you by email and then we just discussion at the next meeting so just bring It come prepare prep do your 15 hours like I get somewhere between Z

15 okay all right soing do that that's really not much has changed there Don is asking for $100 more a month so that's going from 18 19 to other than that everything is pretty much so so one thing that I did another thing that I kind of did unilaterally is that you had um mapping

and Opera to update the maps well that's a line item in your operational budget so you don't really want to use Opa money in opal line so we' put that back in but we're not going to use that money and we're just going to keep keep it in the operational line I'm not sure why it went to that I think the way that the question worked was that we were going to fund the mapping and we were going to fund the first year of years updates of the updates and then it was going to become part of the operational budget it was already part of the operational budget we they were just paper maps at that point now we're doing G Ms so it's the same pretty much it went up a little bit but not much that's it with assessing other than that it just so let's look at telecommunications this there's a lot of change here like I said I took the wages and stuff right out of it because we don't have an IT department we have an employee that's a

lias on to Our IT services so when we need to do that that's what they that's what they do so we took took that rate out so really what you're looking looking at is um the uh the the internet if that's what you want that's what it's called that is data defining that is our services okay oh so that's not that's a pretty expensive right okay software licenses that's trio trio is about 23 and I added a th000 in case we need another Office 365 or another program in that year so that that used to also be in the administration line but it's really an IT type thing and I put you know 5,000

in Hardware just in case we have a computer that crashes breaks and we need to get another one okay so there's the assess the town maps and stuff like that yeah that's right in that 28 no it's on the page this okay okay just testing everyone quiz I'm on it all right we're moving on to Public Safety or fire so this [Music] no we on to the last page

is I moved Allen to this department that's that uh that uh his wage there that you see that 65 um part-time wages is George now George I put four more hours in there for George and the reason why I did it was if we do the codification he's going to work on that he's also going to help with um the zoning board of appeals because he works with he's going to help out with that and um we're doing with GP Cog a little like planning thing around this little complex here they were supposed to do it last year they never got to it so he's going to that he almost ran out of hours this year with the meetings the more we do the more he works so he needs those more hours so I've added four hours to his so he's 24 hours now instead of 20

is that 4 hours because that's Max wants to work or could we squeeze six more hours out of Ah that's a good question that's just my question just I was if the answer is no he doesn't want to work anym 24 hours that's that's the answer I think by 2030 you're going to need a fulltime plan plan let's put it that way so because you're doing more things more things are happen so yeah I guess my question that's a different thing but my question is is George saying I only want to work 2 probably should stay away from that subject that's a discussion that Jerry has to have he needs more planning resources you just ask this is what that

discussion for a different day I'm just wondering when you're talking about that and you're talking about this increase when the person came to talk to us about it that was a service that that person that came to the meeting talked about so are is it still going to be proposed that we use that service to do it in one you know they take our whole ordinance they go through our whole ordinance they do the whole thing um or are you saying that George is going to do it George is the liais between that service and the town got it thank you yeah and that's we're going to see that somewhere in here see what the codification yeah we're going to oh that's a capital Improvement right okay sorry try to keep straight thank

so much more because they get uh what do they they get John T told me they get there's five of them or something like that I I don't know $50 a meeting $50 a meeting there's five of them or six of them Bo and they do 12 he said this is John I talk with him so some people may not take the money or I I don't know I talk this is an estimate based on amount think no they get a STI They get a s it's a certain amount of money and it's the planning board members times the stien times how many times

getting paid I don't know then why I I think what he did was he did if all members show up to every meeting this is what they get this is a budget so he mile for the October he was up to, 1600 so we budget that for because if we have to do more mailings and that sort of thing it's going to we want to know how much planning is um expending it Postage and

of that one Union Church there's that 10,000 that we budgeted last year that's going way that lasts back so there's nothing for that um legal if the planning board needs to seek legal opinion we put that all in the legal on administrative okay yeah just clean it up and then if they if they're the ones in the next year that spend the money would it show up as an actual here or would it all be on that other

this one was the uh shown one with the biggest increase and there's good reason for that um it's under the uh part-time staff wages the chief has requested that he put on someone at night for EMS and that's the increase so he told me that 35% of his calls are at night

and he works all day and he answers to those calls so he's asking for help and I support that we we can't have him working both days and nights so that's that's in in the budget if you have more questions more detailed I'm sure he can answer those for you um if you and he

can answer probably to a lot of but the first few lines is just your payroll and taxes um he's pretty much kept his budget pretty flat for the most part as he goes down you'll see some of the increases in electricity and that sort of thing but that's that's the number what we did was we took the electricity this year for all the Departments and just added what we had this year and added it up and then just projected it for the next year so um there's really hope maintenance repairs he had 58 he's got 60 there I mean he's they both of them did but we're talking about Chief right now did a good job with his budget he's he's right where he needs to be now the gas and Diesel how he's going to work that just so you know is that he's getting his gas now from the public works and they'll track it so we pay so he's using that gas over there they we'll take care of that the way we C it they got that all all that

you see putting gas and Diesel as a line item under municipal versus just individual keep time gas and Diesel is it you proce combining it into one for the whole keeping it separ separating to keep track of yeah we want to know how much gas the department use each

so heat is down but electricity is up because we did something did we get heat pumps here no what well these are new when those go in I think last year uh yeah they are combo units so they are heat pumps uh heat is actually propane for the fire department okay um so and and Jerry's about to tell you that when we switched providers we we had a credit for what fuel was left um when they came and got their tank but that doesn't just go back into my budget that goes back into undesignated so that's why I can even though we had actual you know 10,000 I'm budgeting for eight is because that was a credit well actually we were paying I saw a bill last year for uh propane for $340 a gallon because the town was rack price so we got into some Cooperative bidding we're paying Buck 80 now so when you use those same gallons that we use it at those two different prices we're able to lower the the cost of it so so just no

moving forward while we want to move I don't want to get off top I want to move to a fiscal year we know what that we're paying for six months July 1 you go out to bid again we don't know what that cost is going to be next six months so we add like 25 cents going to go down because we don't want to get burned but that's why we were able to do that with our with our propane because we got better pric okay that's why um you know we're we talk a lot about the increases and and decre you know whatever anyways I think it's just important to note that on multiple lines I'm seeing um a significant reduction in our workman's comp y amounts and I know

that you guys have worked hard on that so thank you yeah so we went from somewhere in 90,000 down to 60,000 and that's reflected throughout the budget I got to hand it to the to the crew my the staff because they they're just awesome in their sa safety stuff they been in the program they're keeping up and that's where you save money is when you when you do things safely so that that's another thing sa it does so that's so there's that um when we get to the end of all this I do want to have a conversation about the telephone and internet but it seems to across like the whole budget so maybe just we can I can save that for the end but again just ear marking that yeah um ambulance services you know it's up because call volume's up car volume goes

up um he went up 2,000 from his last budget maybe he only spent 48 but he still has some uh repairs his doors are getting old if you have questions about more what that he can he can answer that can't exactly all the things we talked bu

grant so it's funny um that was actually removed so that's now its own line item that was under Communications completely so that was moved to its own line item and we just took delivery today thank you uh of the grant that EMA gave us 20

that bought four Portables and a truck so they're well over $3,000 now for a portable so that'd be two but yes it was it was moved from Communications which was decreased it moved from telecommunications not your line his dispatch service yes dispatch was okay okay oh I see less even though they're going

and town manager to make a line item specifically for that right what's right it helps with knowing what we're spending you to put stuff all under like one line item but it's not really reflective of that line item to questions I think I remember that the answer from last year was that ambulance services is like all the stuff that is uh not for would better word perishable that you have to replace on the ambulance yes thank you so that that would even include a $1,000 um contract with the um medical Control director I was trying to make one line item last year ambulance so that we can really track how much that cost in goods for for you're right the durables so more calls dur okay you knew what I

going to change from 18406 to 18450 because I just got the callot this afternoon from control so you can put that right in you mean from 20,000 huh it's budgeted for 20,000 you said the quote is 18450 yeah that's that that's what it is from 20,000 got go 20 to 18

yeah do you know I just remember that because one of our budget committee members is a vet and if oh the do the animal dies whatever there's like a $500 fee that the town has to pay if the people don't H I don't remember what the circumstances are is this just for the Animal control officer do you know if that number includes for [Music] the that covers that part of whatever it was that okay okay thank you the total for that line is going to be 18450 got it so like animal control is like 12 something in there like that's the okay thank

there's really not a whole lot of changes here um really nice job with his budget like I said we talked to see a reduction again in his workers comp from 40,000 down to 25 that's a that's a that's really nice to see everything else he kept really pretty good um you will notice in his uh Paving in road work there's a significant increase there and that's just because the um quote if you will estimate that he's getting for uh Paving last year we paid 82 a you got to go for 110 so that provides basically the same service same amount of Miles he can speak to a little bit so it's gone up significant how many miles is that for 2.47 2.47 there

you okay I have a question and he also in this line he also he he uh backs up his Paving on his shoulders work and that's also that 400,000 and that went from $40 a yard to 105 so so the increase is just it's just an increase to provide the same Services which is what which is really this whole budget is really that other than the service that Chief is adding so other than that there's really not a lot of change in Calvin's budget can I ask a question sure so I think I know what I answer but I just want to make sure that I understand the equipment repairs and maintenance actual is 111,000 in change and we're budgeting 40

and then but we're doing vehicle so up top it says equipment repairs and then down bottom it says vehicle repairs which has nothing in that line and that's the 80 and I'm assuming that if those two were together that budget would be 120 which would cover the 111 is that accurate that's exactly right so what I asked him to do vehicles and Equipment are two separate things so I wanted him to break those out so track what are you paying for your equipment maintenance what are you paying for your vehicle maintenance thank you but I was just saying is overall budget has right right yeah no no I wasn't arguing that I just want to make sure that I'm understanding like what these things are

with salt and Calvin wants it to be broken out the liquid Di and winter sand as well and also he had Road painting and striping and crack in his Paving line and we took that out just so we could see what we separately and also the same for regular wages and overtime wages because those are yes those are combined so we want to track how much are we paying in overtime although that fluctuates every year depending on it's really his overtime is mostly winner offs so depending on how harsh the winner is that will fluctuate but I think it's a good idea to separate the two and not have them all in the same line seeing that this uh part-time staff was budgeted for 1500 we spent 12,000 and now we got a 15,000 budget what's that those just so that was I think Mark wanted to pull up to our parttime people before that was just for the cleaning lady just for the cleaning of the office

when you have a different looking budget does thank you for want to point out too like in your previous budgets like retirement was never in the operational budget was it yeah and I don't I don't know where it was recorded yeah you know I think it was

typically I even in the operational budget was it uh yeah payroll taxes payroll yeah that would be my gu I don't know where I agree retirement was recorded before I don't know yeah cuz that retirement that you see there is really only since we started recording payroll in June I mean in July yeah I just assumed it was all in

creditors do and um I just like you know I want to point these things out that um Chief was slightly under his budget from last year and Calvin um substantially and I know that you you're a real firm believer like you said you're never going to you know you're always keeping track and you're not going to I don't think that you can always control that I think that sometimes that's a little bit out of your control depending on what happens but um you know significantly under your budget and good job thank you I will ask Calvin for his toage I gave you a sandwich compliment come on friendly just trying to start spark some friendly competition and it continues uh on the next on the next

midnight relatively flat to going to Solid Waste Are We There Yet yeah it's right behind right underneath that um anybody else for Public Works that don't want to so we did the thing where we typically do bulky waste separated out yep this lumps it all together if we're going to vote well it's there it's buy was day 12,000 yeah yeah no I see it but I'm saying like normally we do it by article yeah and out so that that was what one of my questions was is how yeah we we need to talk about how want to do that if you want to both be waste out and create an article but as you know Cal came in and they did a five

going to go with it if you're going to continue to pick up trash in the town of Durham and you're going to go with that I would recommend that you take your solid waste and you're making an operational line and either the public works or somewhere because you've got a 5 contract so are you going to go to the town meeting every year and ask them if they want to have their trash picked up when you're in a fiveyear kind of commitment doesn't it doesn't really it's like it's like leasing out a truck and going to town meeting and ask them if they want to honor the lease to pay the next year's lease payment so think about that I don't know how you want to do that but it's more appropriate in that regard in like the debt services because it's a debt that we're that's a good point that's a good point yeah we don't yet we do that we'll have to estimate because you know it is an estimated um line item like for instance

if I take the first six months of the last contract and the contract first six months that they and multiply the tonage that we're used to it's really 372 right so but they're only going up 5% each year so I added so the actuals here 325 and I'll have to ask Mark if that's if that's it I added 6% to that

number which got me to 345 and then I bumped it up to 350 so this is the game we play I I don't know what the right number is because I don't know what the right tonnage amount is going to be nobody does so I mean you can play with that number all day long I don't know how you want to how you want to do that I just from historical contextualize it that way yeah that's really all you can do take a look at the Tage data has been for the last five years you just take the time minus your trash to get sold revenue generated from that your number and then add if it typically goes up 5 6% because the population was up% separate tags and whatnot so I mean the actual in 22 was just under three the actual in 23 was 325 and I'm estimating I'm throwing 350 at it this time I I think it's reasonable I don't you know again we're we're really throwing a dart at this if we and if we can get if depending on what the solid waste

committee goes if we can get into some sort of compost program CU that stuff's heavy and they not put it in the trash t put down and you probably would be good but I mean these are just variables that we don't know now so just just remember this conversation if you want to keep that number the same grade if you want to lower it I mean it's up to you it it almost seems like you compare the tonnage to the number of occupied dwellings per year and come up with a rough estimate for tonage per occupied dwelling and then look at new building permits and occupancy and extrapolate that way and then add in some sort of efficient to deal with increased cost but that's a lot of trash man there's a way write on the task list for the solid waste committee I think there's a way as I got further down there so everyone start laughing in the

budg yeah I mean what what we don't want to what we the reason want to move it to a a line cuz you don't know and it would be wouldn't be fun to have special town meeting because you had an article warrant for one item and it went over by $2,000 now you got to go back ask for the money you know that's just the way it is you went over trash trash in my opinion

should be like snow you can over person you can over spend it because it's a variable there's no way to account you don't know away you don't know how much snow is going to come down of it yet how do you know how how how is it written or where is it that we're allowed to over it's a state thing I don't know yeah you I couldn't tell you that but it one of the reasons why you separate like winter sand out and winter deicers and stuff because you're allowed to overspend them without going back to the

don't think we do like I said I believe don't quote me on this I believe it's a state it's a Calvin could probably speak to it better it's a statute yeah as far as yeah public works as far as overspending on um snow and right but

what about the solid waste he's saying it's his opinion it should be I think it should be the same as because it's a very there's no way to know shoot over right or you got to Jerry said I think Jerry did work it into your public budet overall so that individual line can be uper as long as your toal

Calvin or on the public we budget you got any more questions there he pretty pretty by and that's really okay all right page 12 of 15 so this is where so this is basically going I just basically created you know the parks and recck I just created a buildings and grounds and everything is kind of moved either to buildings and grounds what to the what to the buildings period for the now account for this question it just cleans up the whole budget you know it just makes everything so much more

though would Eureka's I know I'm beating a dead horse but would we be able to arrive at what the cost for Eureka is yeah even though it's all going to get dumped into that one major category we would still be able to get to that detail yeah cuz Eureka when you think about it is pretty much your only major building especially if you um move the

Union Church to the historical side of that's really it's really the only building you got left you got the module behind fire station you don't really have much more that so Pond and like all that stuff does that go in the buildings and grounds bucket yep everything sort of move moved there okay but we would you said it so I'm taking your word that yes or your word for it that we would be able to separate out yeah you can get detail reports for what where it's where the money goes okay thank you at least when

describe it the trio software just as as you're consistent with entering in memos for your expenditures you keep the bills to come in right so you're going to go through and pull all the electric to general assistance 600 that's what it's always been that's what I kept it out I think that's fair um outside organization that's where we need to talk let me bring this up I

Youth that we typically give all right so if you remember right uh Port scholarship came in Stephanie Payne was her name asked for donation so I've got a placeholder in there of letter asking for 2500 to help Place their generator so that's what that equals so you'll have to decide what um two things and I can't remember but one is there a cut off in one they can ask for pars I don't I believe there I thought there was and and has baseball asked for this money on yes oh they have okay yes so everybody on here has actually I know I knew the scholarship obviously yeah um the amet obviously just came in today and I didn't know if like was still open because sometimes we when we in past have done our budget we how much money we're going to put to the town as far as like we might just ,000 days we might do 10,000 scholarship or whatever it might be whatever you guys want to do but I was just curious as to how long you see

that being open longer if you going to let that be open longer because it's almost crunch time for say anybody else is to ask for on Freeport that we were or we had at least had a discussion that we were supportive but need to wait till this stage for that if my isn't right we just agreed that we would put it to the town yeah so the question really comes down how much do we put to the town how much do we ask you know do we make that five or two whatever number I like this number said give their number TI knock it down oreven they're asking for 10 so as a separate warrant article the way that we would put whatever this that would be its own it wouldn't be under the Community Services line as a get no no I'm asking I'm not telling I'm asking I I see what you're asking I agree with what you're asking I I actually think it should be um you can do it as one but each each of those should be like if you made one to donate

whatever the sum is to this club for 10,000 this club for 5,000 this club people could adjust it from that but like I was thinking the scholarship one originally should be its own separate question yeah because it's a new thing a larger amount yeah the recreational one you could just because it's it's been pretty like I said it's kind of been a perennial event like the recreational one is like five to 6,000 7,000 bucks you can make that but these newer ones you know like the anets that's not really Rec i' call that out separately the um what's it called it's not really Recreation call that out separately also the um scholarship scholarship fund the um the thing about the question about the inets I had for Jerry earlier when mentioned that they we're using a facility which I believe use facility for voting so there's an important reason to that want to make sure justification they charge us

favor um alternative be if I mean that's the way that I'm looking at that right if it's a if it's election day and we're at the ambet and they don't have power what what is our alternative where that's not a scenario that I think that the town wants to have to get into and so if passing this or putting this out to vote you know alleviates the potential for that situation um I I would definitely be I I I think that that's absolutely worth entertaining oh question yeah no I I agree with it too I don't know what you know as far like that does raise a great point you know like I don't know what the state or for that matter I don't know if you remember like a couple couple years ago in October we lost power for days a big wind like I don't like if for example the school this last power their generator wasn't working either so what do you do in that situation I don't know what the answer is that I don't think the INX could

probably probably not handle presidential oratorial would transpire if the power was out right that's a weird one I don't that's a great question but I don't know what would happen right so but I I mean let's all hope if this was a brand new generator and we're in that situation then that that's not something that we would have to worry about because they would not necessarily the gubernatorial yeah um because I know that that does have to take place at the school but all of our other elections take place at a yeah I think if you just take the elections I mean the election the component of it and the fact of having an election is one side of it but I just the fact that we use their building fore to charge for these Services I think that warrants even if it's a $2,500 rent per year that they could use towards that however you want to I think that's I think do more within reason asking very reasonable request for what they

we've been given up there I regard to you know we do have our own um scholarship fund and so um that's a restricted account it is um it's not fundraised for though there's much money in there when it's gone the scholarship is done it could be the question that somebody say why we add to that yeah I just wanted to just put that out there that I mean this is this is this service I think two of the recipients right now are from Durham um out of like five I think that's what she said said that are that are receiving it right now two of the five are we're heavily represented in the recipients for sure I think if we put this on the on the warrant I think we should definitely ask them to come and and and stay their P yeah especially because they pointed out details like they do more than just the scholarship for colleges tech school helping with the the woman who froming school right now she's get

over to they've uh I don't know how to word this correctly gotten donations for flags and um so I'm just I don't know what I'm trying to say would this cover the flags that we do on the is that also this the cemetery flags and the flags that are on the teleph telephone pole Flags those were the donated that's from the donated money this is for the State statue that we have to put flags on the veterans Graves that's for that and the War Memorial Park I think that the United States flag is now tattered and last year I replaced all the other ones okay so that's for that thank you

we don't really have anything we don't have we accounting for it the capital reserves during the year then there's the debt that we have you can see that where it's kind of gone down the county tax and the education these are just I mean I think that the town has always used 3% as a as a placeholder we don't know what that's going to be until they come in um the uh the other financing the transfer so this is where your Municipal uh Capital reserves are and I'll tell you what they're for okay wait what say that again transfers out that number that 457 293 yeah those add up to all the we're going to talk about capital and that's what those numbers represent okay so let me let me hand you out some stuff unless you um CU When I got when I got hired

there was this goal to do uh Capital planning okay so that's what we're that's what we're going to that's what we're going to talk about okay can I ask a question before we go to that about something up top yeah um the education do where is that an I know it's all a projection or an estimate you know whatever but did somebody give you that number and say this is where they think they're going to land no not at all you just not at all they don't know yet okay we won't we probably won't know until what June okay our our portion of the budget is be all before we find out what the school bud is okay so when Joe and I went to the meeting they didn't they weren't giv out any kind of projections or okay anything like that so and then the tax and then the tax ofs that's determine the the time of commitment so that's your overall layer right yeah you don't want to put any kind of placeholder in there at

all you can if you want so what number you want to use I don't know yet but my my train of thought is just that um I mean if we're going on the thing the projecting whatever and then we used 8,300 I mean I don't want to budget 35,000 I mean I think if we budgeted 10,000 but my question when we did the overlay when we established the overlay um

thought wait a minute oh what happens if we budget $8,000 and then there's $220,000 worth of mistakes how does that is that the kind of thing where you have to then go back and ask for more money because you overspend that line no if the assessor if the assessor uh says that something needs to be abated you guys there's no going back to the town ask for it just comes out you're just over budget on that okay there's no there's no having to go to town meeting for that okay so you don't feel like or I'm not I'm not trying to your mouth I'm asking I'm phrasing this in the wrong way because I'm asking a question okay it's because we're going to do it we have to do it if there's an error or an abatement you don't see it as a reason to budget anything there no I don't it's not not that you can't the you could certainly put I would probably suggest putting something in there uh again this is just the first go round so

uh the there are certain items that um that get changed at tax commitment so your um homestead exemption is determined by your taxing you know your mill rate your bet revenue is also determined by your mill rate uh and your overload which is represented here under your tax abatements line that's represent by your mill rate um personally I would put something in here and actually I would put something uh around the same figure that you budgeted last year meaning what your actual overlay was last year because if that's what you did for overlay last year based off of all of your tax calculations you're likely well not likely but you possibly could um budget the same amount have the same level of overlay this year or in FY 24 as you did this past year so I would put something in there because you're right what it does is it drives that projection on the on the front page right to help you better estimate okay well if we have all

these expenses and we have all these revenues where we where are we about going to land taxwise right um so yeah I would I would suggest putting something in that to well I am I know if anybody else Revenue accounts are as they as as they stand right now okay so we right now at

the end of this year 23 we have a fund balance of $3.7 million right up there in the right hand cor and these these show where your reserve accounts or your restricted funds are where we live okay that's just what they are so what we're going to talk about now is what are we going to add to this if anything what do you want to add so when when we when I when I took on this job there was a goal to do some Capital planning so that was what Mark helped us with um so basically how that work is we have equipment schedules both fire and uh Public Works and administration basically has buildings so according to those schedules what we did was we planned out you know 10 years for the most part 10 to 12 years at a cost to replace those

equipments uh trucks whatever it is and projected that over 10 years and what the results of that was was that to fund those and the reason why we want to do this is we want to we don't want to have a a spike in taxes we want to purchase big equipment you know year after year so if we level fund across the board the money is in the in the reserve accounts to pay for the equipment when we need it so what we want to do is if we if you go this route with the funding the reserve accounts you'll have an article for these numbers and I'll share the numbers in a minute but then what you're going to want to do is you're going to want to have another article allowing the board to use those Capital funds when they de necessary in future years and that gives you folks flexibility uh to purchase these uh trucks or whatever it is right then so in other words right now we're we're estimating buying equipment six seven

eight months prior to even wanting it um and those change and that's what we're putting in the in the warrant articles there's a couple other different things that that go on this gives the town flexibility to to to decide when you buy it you may not need it when the schedule says you need it so that gives the the department heads on myself the opportunity to come to the board and say hey look we just blew the transmission in the truck it's probably time to buy another one and new folks can make that determination and it just it just gives you a a lot more flexibility and and if you keep funding in that way the taxpayers will won't see these spikes in their taxes it'll be level funded all all the way so how it works out with the equipment schedules in today's cost we're looking to for capital for Public Works is to put 205 that that funds all his equipment for 10 years if you fund it that way for

10 years you wait what am I looking at where's the 205 sorry you don't have yeah did you get one oh yeah sorry I WR paper go sorry sorry all right the fire department would need 0 each year um buildings this one was a tough one I we may have to revisit this there's only 10,000 in there for buildings and the buildings are and somewhat the r Center or the community

center you know that foundation's falling it's going to need a new roof so we we need to probably revisit that number but for now 10,000 is what we have in there to put towards buildings every year there's 60,000 in a reevaluation we've been doing that and if you look at our grant funding we're we're shy um

$2,293 on $3,000 so what I'm asking to do is put 2,293 towards our brand to to level that off to 30,000 so we know there's 30,000 in that Grant line uh Chief trip is going to need 20,000 of that real quick to to is he still here yeah I'm up I'm up yeah real

quick to to what are you getting radios yes we took delivery of the radios we have a grant for 20,000 we need to front it so again that would be I need to come in front of you all just for a quick vote to front it and then we get reimbursed from EMA that has already said it's there waiting for us so Grant matching Reserve right now was $ 27,7 so I'm just asking to to add 2, 293

to make it an even 30,000 okay so that's what that um that's what that 457 293 but remember at the beginning of the meeting um we're going to add 10 9,000 something 9,5 543 to that for the union church so that bumps that number you can write that number down now to 466 836 where no it's on here page on page page

14 sorry my brain start okay wait tell me where taking out of the budget so you you're pretty much left with your operating right so these are these are your transfers so 9,543 is going to get added to make the total of 31,000 for

the Union Church which is going to make that total number 466 836 836 right and does that number include your 2,000 something for the grant where's that number I don't see that it's not I have it here okay okay okay that's fine all these things that $2,000 9,000 and change for the got it

that'll add the number of l71 on page 15 $2,000 talking about yes I see that thank you thank you so there's so there's that and that you folks can do what you want with it it's just it's just that's what we were asked to do it's what I was asked to do and that's what we what we've come up with whether you want to do it or not that's that's that's your call and that discussion will be for next meeting this is just for questions about about have

explain and I want to make sure we're all on the same page is that instead of take so like the capital improvement process that also came to this with this agenda right right that doesn't have any money attached to any of those articles because what you're proposing is that we do this and if yeah

and if we if we if those Capital Improvement projects are approved then it comes out of this level funding we're not attaching a dollar amount to a specific Capital Improvement project am I saying that correctly for the public works and the fire department that's correct the other ones would be separate would be still the same you still have the separate items that Paul put in his letter to us fromp from a ra persp from a raise perspective I see okay Jerry just make sure I said that correctly 453 does not reflect the

fire I think um this fire I think he is asking for uh his radios or at least in his um for his computer A dispatch that was separate so yeah we're GNA I'm going to recommend we use Opa for that yeah no I no that's that that's fine but this was what he put in for his C we just talk about the four I'll say 53 which we just added a little bit to the $9,000 so I just want to make sure we're talking about that so that I think answers your question it would be instead of doing a capital and then from there on out you wouldn't do that year to year in the capital right in the CIP right that's the whole idea is to level fund it not have to keep going back year and say I want truck this year I right so next

year so at our next meeting well I guess we don't know yet because we haven't talked about capital and what we're going to put on the warrant right but when we get to the point where we're going to put the things on the warrant and we know that we're going to raise that's going to change this equation and so then we'll just see that represented then yes what other Capital are you

about raising for the the the CIP the um come on Market row we were going to raise not transfer correct and then there's I don't know we had nine things want Public Work Capital codification remodel trailer Public Works pickup and Union chch question that's not here the public

so anything like the public trust that should already be in the that's already in the capital uh Improvement longterm level funding yeah and that's included in that level funding transfer out Jerry did you include a in that 457 amount you include amount for the revaluation Reserve yes so that's already included as well so that's in that number that's correct yeah the Union Church you just added why would we do that just out of curiosity why would we what's that combine all those numbers those numbers are typically held for a separate F well again so so this is this is is this is a question of how do you want to do your capital reserve funding if you want to do a a level funding as level of a funding from one year to the next and what you want to do is from your um capital reserve funds right or any of your reserve funds right you want to have a um a long-term plan and really it's going to be just your Public Works

your fire department your municipal buildings everything else isn't really a longterm you know Public Works Reserve what you can do or capital reserve when you include all of those on your CIP plan your long-term 10 15 20 year plan and arrive at a long-term number that's going to be part of your transfers out every single year if you need if you want anything additional to that like let's say the revaluation Reserve then you can have that you would you can have that separated out as a well do you want to raise specifically for this but as far as this budget for calculations is concerned it's all combined in this transfers outline does that make sense yes but it just doesn't show on here because it's not coming out of this because we're going to raise it right just like just like for the outside organizations how you're saying well we're going to have a separate warrant article for the baseball and the

scholarships and whatever that's fine as long as you're accounting for all of it in the figure here in this budget to to arrive at the projected calculations that's perfectly that's perfectly fine if you want to have separate warant articles for I don't know anything else that you know would go into your reserves you would have them separate separately stated in your warrant articles but as far as this budget document is concerned you would just include it in that transfer Z line I get it yeah no I get it and I I I understand what you're saying I think um the confusion on my end for speak for myself and it's just me is um historically Capital items have always been we we hav't pl okay that's not historically through what we' done um so if you're saying that's all in there there's no typically the the board would have the discretion of saying are we actually putting that to the adding that

to here where this um it's already been done for us I think as what we seen where we don't have any say on what's pass to the and that's kind of very typical from what seen in the past that's all I'm saying I just have a clarification question so this flat funding here this total amount of 457 and I could be completely off the Mark here so just please clarify the 180 going in this year or if

this was approved and the 200 for the fire department 205 for public works and 10,000 for municipal that would cover the cips things or that would be a separate because that's where I'm confused this would then be this number covers the cips yeah so and I I think where the confusion is when we're talking about level funding and you guys can correct me that we're only talking about level funding the fire department and Public

although there still in the 400 whatever right CU you're taking those out regardless of still will Spike those out all of will still be spiked out as warant articles it's just so we talk about level F really we talking about those three things right now doesn't mean something new might come later on that we say we want to level fund or we want to increase the the buildings let's say to level fund them at a higher rate later um but that that's I think that kind of half answers question there this says municipal buildings capital reserve does that mean it can only be used for municipal buildings because like let's say well

first answer that please well let's see what your well works or the fire department it just says fire department capital reserve right right so that could be a truck that could be an ambulance if that meant this building needed a new roof is that going to come out of I'm asking more than one question now is that going to come out of fire department capital reserve or is that going to come out of municipal buildings but you have it tells you what we're putting in for Capital expenditures in your Municipal really it's it's against the schedule it's every so right can you still answer that what pretend that fire depart the fire department building comes out of the fire department capital reserve okay and no look at look at your Municipal sheet look where the numbers are coming from but there's no nothing on that there's no explanation with it oh didn't come with it there's a list of all it should be okay but you just

answer it yeah so so so so municipal buildings in fire all of the minicipal B okay ,000 level for all the buildings so all the buildings and then the reserves themselves for the fire for equipment okay thank you my next question is if we're just calling this buildings buildings yes and then we

wanted to do something like the res the what is it called the market Ral right because this says buildings we're not going to pull this out of here or could we if we wanted to you have a you have a market you have a revaluation that's just an example pretend it's something different okay okay so yeah let me kind of explain a big project like that that we would that wouldn't fall under Fire Department or public works but we want to fund that out of a reserve account right but this because this specifically says buildings are we only allowed to use the money in here for buildings generally yeah because what you're trying to in order to be transparent to the to the taxpayers you're saying hey when you set aside x amount for fire department capital capital Improvement projects or Capital purchases then they're voting on okay yeah we're going to fund fire department stuff right when we're we're uh when you

say municipal buildings or Municipal structures right then we're saying we're setting aside money for roofs major components you know for to be replaced and repaired over time when you say Public Works it's for Public Works related stuff so yes you you can't all of a sudden go oh well we have X amount of dollars in the municipal buildings Reserve but we want to spend it on revaluation Services no so then should there also be a category for admin type

well that's why you have that's why you have those other types of reserves that you already have set up so for example you have an emergency Reserve you have a grants matching Reserve which is just a generic grants matching reserve a we have a grant coming in it requires a match we can pull from this grants matching Reserve we have a recreation Reserve which I don't know what it's for I assume it's to for some sort of recreation stuff uh Telecom telecommunications Reserve I don't actually know what that's for but I assume it's for telecommunications stuff right so all of these are for what they're they're named for the the CIP stuff the long-term capital Improvement stuff is for your major departments your dep your Public Works fire department and your municipal buildings that that need Capital Improvements over time okay and then let me I just want to clarify how the this concept works as far as as as

far as level funding the the what you're saying is you're saying normally when we want a new plow truck that's a warn article at town meeting can shall we raise an appropriate $50,000 for a plow truck shall we raise an appropriate you know $150,000 for a fire department truck right whatever that's how you used to do it the suggestion here is that through the budget process you place onto uh CIP schedule you meaning you the budget committee and and the select board place on what you think is appropriate based off of your input from your department heads and your town manager over the long term and now the question is no longer individually for fire depart uh you know fire truck you know this particular fire truck in this particular year because we don't know when we're really going to get it and when we can really expend it instead it's fire department Capital purchases

or Capital Improvements Public Works capit capit improvements and it's up to the board the the budget committee and the select board to determine based off of the input from the department heads whether or not something should be added to that list to arrive at the the the the level funding amount so anything beyond uh anything that is included in public works fire department and municipal buildings would not have a separate Warren article each year you would no longer have a shall we raise an appropriate $50,000 for a ploud truck the only times you would have something you would just have your normal shall we raise an appropriate uh what is it $25,000 to be placed in the public works Reserve reserve and then a separate warrant article for your Public Works municipal buildings and fire department well actually for actually all of your reserves shall the select board uh be authorized to appropriate um funds from

existing reserves for their designated purposes during the year and what that does is it allows money to move into the reserve be placed there and because it's in a separate reserve it doesn't last and then in any year in the future including the one that you get you know the current year in any year in the future you have a warrant article every year that allows you to expend from those reserves as needed as you determine is appropriate given the reserve so that sounds like it gives more flexibility because once it's the reserves populated with enough cash Calvin was planning on buying something new in 2028 2026 a catastrophic failure on the Machinery happened it was going to be more expensive just smar to buy it we wouldn't have to wait until April say can we spend yeah that's right it allows you to allows you the flexibility to move anything that you had to you know had placed into that list to arrive at

the level of Mount move it any you know forward or backwards in time as needed so if you say oh well I think I'm going to I need to replace the ploud truck you know once every 5 years and then all of a sudden uh doesn't need to be replaced it needss to be replaced within 3 years you don't have to say oh we didn't have a warant article this year to replace the plow truck and either we go to a special town meeting or whatever no you already have the worn article that allows you to replace that plow truck and you've already level funded it so you're likely to have sufficient funds in there for those um changes in time

and I like the scenario better where we don't need to replace the truck this year we can push it one point year forward with then really you get the savings out of it that's the whole idea is to give flexibility flexibility say we need it early I we really want to wait as long so yes it is very different from how you have been doing it in the

fund balance well because we've had we've had public comment and a couple of suggestions and you know whatever around what our unrestricted at we called undesignated fund balance should be that is not this this this these would be separate from that so even though the general fund because these would show up there no oh they would not okay okay good I like so this general fund fund balance that you see here this 3.7 million yeah that's your unassigned fund balance basically money that you have available as of December 31st to help fund right I just wanted to make sure that if we went to this level funding that that and the accounts are building up and then and then that makes it look like we have you know a $6,000 a million dollar general fund no that's that's what I wouldn't want to have happen that doesn't help us so we don't have to borrow money in the future money on interest that's all

right okay okay I understand completely thank you it does do something different than what Heather would probably be traditionally used to based on what Mark's saying is traditionally what you're saying is correct and what we're doing this for is so we would have our money but essentially be a very broad question rather than a specific question will you allow the town to buy a plow truck for 240,000 now we're just giving select board approval to BU P has gone too well but just a Qui correct so for example I have another town client where they they they do this process and they have they they actually combine all of their capital projects into one big Reserve so everything across the board they have one Capital project fund so anything that qualifies as a capital Improvement plan or purchase or Capital Improvement project or purchase they hold from that Reserve

even in years where all of a sudden they didn't have something on the list but now it it needs to be it needs to be repaired so for example brick repointing on their library right they didn't budget they didn't have it in their Capital Improvement plan to arrive at the level funding amount uh but when it came up they were like oh well we need to spend from it they just draw from that Capital Improvement Reserve in the year that they need to do it and then you know try to improve their overall planning in the long run but this gives uh that uh Capital Improvement plan um the graph thing gives you as much flexibility to um save

you're basically planning to you're saving money and setting money aside and then uh through the warrant article process where you have with at your term fraud Authority which is correct right you don't have very specific authority fraad authority which the towns towns people may not prefer or you may not prefer um but it gives the select board much better much more flexible author uh uh authorization to expend for Capital Improvement projects excuse an open check for didn't you have a town that M

library and they the money in there to take care of yeah they're right so the mold remediation came up this this past fall and it was like $30,000 that they needed to spend and it it wasn't anything that they had to go oh well we didn't have money for it so we're going to not fix it right they we're able to take care of it without having to worry about um blowing their budget soad no but this is what capital planning is if you go back to the old way that's not Capital planning so so you have to decide which right so I think there's a couple of things that are different one we didn't have a town manager before now we do two um what I

think would need to happen is that there needs not only for myself but also for everybody who votes in this town on these types of things is a very clear understanding of what the advantages would be in terms of their annual tax bill to do something like this versus continuing to do it the way that we have been doing it right when people understand the information and they're educated about it which I need way more time to digest this but I also want to be able to see you know over a fiveyear

period like what has happened with our taxes as we fund these purchases versus what you know this is the advantage 110,000 330,000 last year 88,000 budgeted for this year yeah the interest savings right that that we're the interest we're paying every year on what we borrow right I think if we're going to do this interest last year right that's the interest I mean that's that's the kind of information that has to be relayed for people to understand why it's advantageous for us to do something like this and then the other question that I had hold on wait where was it oh can we talk about the reserve balances for a second is that okay so I'm sorry before we go into I just quickly respond um yes please so that's one one big criticism that uh that towns have is well we're just giving the select board an open checkbook that is true right or that is that's a constant criticism uh that is really either

solved by the town people and having more faith in in the select board understanding what how they're managing the funds or another way that you can minimize that is by in that second warrant article where it says shall the select board be allowed to expend ex you know uh well the the normal waren article doesn't give an amount just says shall they be allowed to expend from the reserves if the town's people don't like you know that oh well you can expend whatever you want that's the balance of the reserve you could limit it to a dollar amount my suggestion is that you don't do that because you never know when something comes up that it's going to exceed that amount but that's another way where you could assuage right you could assuage some concerns from taxpayers of oh we're not going to give you an open checkbook for 622,000 which is the value of all your reserves $622,000 just so that you guys can go

spend like crazy I mean I don't think that's necessarily going to happen right nobody yeah no it's not the case what I was getting I mean it's like a direct versus indirect democracy right I mean we're so used to um being very specific as to what we are purchasing and be very upfront very transparent now we're basically saying hey we might spend up to $500,000 in capital this year just trust us to make the right decisions on what we're buying and what we're going to appropriate the money for and you know I can go either way on we have more strength than that because we have a listed like if you look at the tap chart there a list of expending expending expected expenditures over the future but this does leave that flexibility for that new big problem that comes up not that I'm saying we need pointing done example but there are certain things that come up mold remediation is a great example right yeah so I mean I was kind

of looking at this is that it would be against the schedule so that you really couldn't get a call it scope creep in here that right if you if you bake it in even to the wording that it's to the the capital schedu the Departments then you don't necessarily have an open ticket you these guys are open because fail at any time but that would be it and that way you could narrow it down so you wouldn't have to put a actual cash limit on it because we never know what a truck's going to cost but um but that would that that would that would keep you to your 10e plan that you do adopt every year um I I'm you I'm like always about the transparency right so I think that if this existed on the website for people to be able to go in and see exactly what the plan was and why this is the way that it is you know why we're suggesting this and able to be very educated about it it wouldn't be this you know you have to read every

meeting minute watch every select board meeting look at every single agenda to be able to have an understanding of why $300,000 was spent outside of meeting right if this is all information that's available easily available for people to go in and look at and be able to see I I feel like anytime that there's transparency when it comes to this kind of stuff and and the information is super accessible to people that that right there takes away some of that doubt of you know trusting what it is

that we're doing information is available for people to be able to access and that that already just creates a more trusting environment around this type of thing simple enough to just have a capital expenditure schedule tab so someone can just see this right here okay well that's all aot

dig shows that it's not just a list came out of nowhere that's kind discuss yeah how we doing here can I ask my quick uh fund balance questions really quick so um one of the things that I just want to make sure that I say in this meeting and get answered for everybody to hear because people have asked me this question right is that in

hold on 2021 we um combined a bunch of accounts and called it Municipal capital account we did that by Warren article okay um which had a balance of $997,000 in change and then in 2022 we appropriated and transferred $60,000 from that account to put towards a revow which didn't end up happening and so my question was um because in 2023 we voted

to raise an appropriate 60,000 for the future reval um that $60,000 is represented here in the reval reserve right and I and so what I want to have explained for people that are wondering in is because it looks like we raised 120 right and then not raise uh appropriate and transfer and then the second time we raised so we appropriated and transferred 60 we raised 60 right and now you can explain so the first year you you transfer you approp you appropriated and transfer it out so it didn't happen so it just stayed back in back to the account so that stayed inmin leaving your Municipal Reserve accounts to 97632 the following Au raised money to

the um for the assessing for the reevaluation so that wasn't you raised it you appropriated for that so we set up a reserve count for that so there's only 60,000 in that account okay so that thank you that explains it that it went back into the municipal Reserve because we transferred we didn't raise that's why even though the reval question has been on the warrant for two years there's only $60,000 in that account right because the wording of the article matters right you didn't raise it the first time transferring it out didn't happen it just stays it transfers back in right thank you um okay when we have money in an account and it's earning interest does the interest go back into the account that's earning the money or does the interest go into the general fund so uh none of these are have their own checking account so uh all the interest that's generated from the general funds operating checking account

just goes into the uh general fund if you wanted the reserves to also generate interest you could set it up that way and we could account for it that way but that's not what's been happening all the interest uh has been going into just the general public is that also true of the accounts like the scholarship Reserve so

the interest that's being earned on those accounts goes into the general fund yeah I think I I don't I'm not sure how many accounts have their own separate checking account right but I can re if you want me to because I don't the way I've been doing is I've just been reporting the interest in the general fund if is that that what towns typically do well they they they will tell me hey for this we want we want uh so for example like if you have a tip fund right uh and they say well because the the document says that has to be separated out into its own into its own checking account and the interest has to stay within that Fund in that case then we just record anything absent that I don't have any instructions to the contary I might as well just record it to the general fund so it's available for general fund expenditure M um so for example you could put you could do the you know The Giving Tree reserve the

interest on the in that checking account you could record it as Revenue in The Giving Tree reserve and put it in there but I don't think that's happened in the past I know I didn't do it this year so it's up to it really it's up to you guys whether or not you want me to do it that way there's nothing that says that it has to be done unless it's part of some sort of establishing document right um you know and that's normally with um a big Quest right big Quest says I'm giving you you know $100,000 for scholarships the income of which can be used for actual Scholarships in that case then you do keep track of it in that F anything outside of that if it's especially if it's committed reserves where the town is just setting aside money that usually doesn't happen yeah guess question just a brief

one but are you seeing time um towns more now with these high yield accounts that are available to towns and businesses that they're just basically um funding that one account and then air marking this money separately and then pulling it over to the the checkings per se so in other words you you have one let's say the town has $35 million in savings and it's not really removed from that by premium savings account that's earning let's say 4% right now until it's actually marked to be us used so they're actually capturing let's say if you got 3 million they're capturing the four 4 and a half% yeah I have seen I have seen a couple uh it depends on the B the balance that the towns have so a lot of the towns that I work with are smaller towns so they don't usually have significant additional monies but uh uh

some of the towns have and particularly the counties have set aside money into uh CDs to earn higher interest so that they can generate that that interest and then and then what they uh if it if that one account represents the value you know the the funds the fund balance of numerous funds then you can do a sub accounting to say okay of that of that amount 10% goes to this fund you know 10% goes to that fund 6% goes to this fund based off of what the balances were originally it's basically you know Pro

up so I don't want to have this conversation tonight l in my brain is fried but one of the things I was going to talk about is what you're talking about that we have this larger general fund balance than what you're saying and that we need to have and what that would look like if the town invested that money and and made money on that money um but I can't tonight so can we just like put we we spend that money to get through no not really no do have we do have significant idle cash that you could be that you could be putting into a CD obviously towns are limited in what they can invest in they can't invest in right I was just thinking like a money Mark like right now like a lot of businesses y would I mean we're yep I'm with B I think we're at 4 and a qu% right yeah and and that's what that's what you know the county I know the counties that I work with they've been doing that and they've been generating

significant interest a significant interest income over the last year and a half now just because the interest r have gone Sky High it really wasn't a big issue preo because interest rates were pretty low correct most towns were like why I going to deal with the Hass just about the Telecommunications reserve and then I think I'm done so there's $83,000 in there and what we have done in the past if I'm remembering things correctly is that where the Telecommunications budget we would this was when we didn't do like this General whatever is that we would cover the Telecommunications budget with what telecommunications made and then out of that Reserve account right um that's not how we're doing things anymore and so um how does that money

end up getting spend we have to put that on the warrant that we would want to transfer money out of telecommunications Reserve to do XYZ with okay and does it have to be related to telecommunications well so again you you establish this Communications Reserve from the from the franchise Fe that the cable company paid and then the concept was that it was funding the Telecommunications Department right but that doesn't really that doesn't really make sense to do right that's like saying well we're going to fund code enforcement with the the permit

doing the difference between those long-term ones the three long-term ones and these other types of reserves these other types of reserves really if you if you're going to be spending from them right they're like revaluation you're saving money and then in the year where you're going to have a revaluation that's when you're actually going to expend from um me personally if you don't really have any plan for it I wouldn't I wouldn't have it as a reserve I right I would either I that's the that's the idea behind the CIP right you're having a plan for idle cash that you've already raised in taxes if you don't have a plan for it put it back in the general fund and start to reduce the tax levy or don't have as high tax L as you were otherwise have that's all all right Jerry I'm good I'm done I think oh you want to talk about Opa real quick that is a that is a fun that has to be that have to be spent in 24 but we

got to obligate it can I ask a question before we talk about it if we can to the next meeting and we all had our conversations about all of these things right and then what is there still time to discuss the capital the CIP these and

arpa at the next meeting in order for you to be able to get your stuff done or do we need if we have to be finished finished at the next meeting then we should talk about this stuff now but if this can wait till the next meeting we can wait I just need a I need a approved

budget recomendations from this board by on the 23rd okay so that time is getting pretty tight so the question to the board members is do we want to continue or do we want to have a secondary meeting is I would like to have another meeting personally just because I feel like we don't have I don't we don't know like what I I I feel like it would be hard for me to make a decision and have that be a final decision by the next meeting when we don't have like all the numbers done yet it feels like we would be having a discussion at the next meeting and then at the final meeting we would be voting on the numbers that we've all made final right are we going to like work the numbers in the meeting to come out to the

agreement with that because now I'm remembering that after the budget committee does their thing we get one more shot at it okay I'm fine with that I forgot about that y I forgot I forgot we get one more shot if we make the Tweet we just talked about come back with your comments next time on a couple tweets and Jerry's got to fix a couple num in there so he probably up sheet anyways there one number one number one number that I got to change it's not very then we can we can get to we can get toal decision next meeting and do this next meeting and we could do that are you comfortable with that rich are you comfortable with that next meeting to do this oh yeah 100% I think that's probably the most

decisions Mayer wants to while we're folks awesome job did a great job thank you keep inity that's that's to be seen totally all right um let's see consent agenda upcoming meeting board meeting on 123 and we'll continue our budget discussion then and 213 will be the other meeting um session I don't believe

we need any tonight Joe second second all in favor we're thank you all thank