TranscriptSelect Board Meeting ~ March 7, 2017

Good. Thank you. Like to call this meeting to uh back to order. Um we have four out of four selectmen here this evening. Could we please rise to do the pledge? [clears throat] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

there any amendments to the agenda for anyone? We do have probably want to chat at some point, but if you want to do it tonight or not, it's up to you. And put it down in the very end. Okay. So, we'll add an executive session. Mhm. Okay. Um, public comment

Okay. I'm trying to get in front of you guys tonight. My name is Jean Valachi. I came in front of you a couple weeks ago to get a no action letter for a piece of property that I bought purchased down on 257 Pinkhambrook. And

I'm not 100% sure. Not all banks, not all people accept no action letters. Some do, some don't. Um I was able to get title insurance when I bought the property. Um when I came in for variance, uh they um they're kind of not set up to work. So, you know, it was a good good experience. But um we passed nine out of the 12 requirements, but we we didn't pass three of them. So that was not granted. But uh the gentleman Gary

didn't think he could get enough information together in time for tonight's meeting. But he had a idea and what I basically have is I have a home that doesn't conform to the town's standards. Um, and it was house was built in 72. The standards came out in 73ish. Um, as far as Calvin could find that the

configuration or the recorded deed was recorded a few months after the new town requirements. And so I'm just trying to keep getting in trouble later down the road or sued or have a problem if you get the right person that doesn't um um it doesn't accept a no action letter that you gave me. So Gary

said that there's a situation where my attorney talks to the town attorney and they put together a a non-consent letter or something stating that the town doesn't have any uh like a no action not not interested in taking any action

a consent agreement or something consent agreement. Yeah. And so, um, before I go spend lots of money and, you know, I don't know whether I turn this over to the title company. I'm not sure it's a title issue, right? It's not I would anticipate that they will tell you that it is probably not because it doesn't go to the actual ownership. It goes to the use of. Mhm. So, here we have a piece of property that's been in existence for 40ome years

and it's been people have been paying taxes on it and it's been financed over the time and I just want to make sure that I can get through this cleanly and move on and not have it come back. We came in and we, you know, we spent about $80,000 renovating the house and um trying to make it, you know, less of an impact if you can within the neighborhood. And I just don't know how to go forward at this point as to, [snorts] you know, how do I market or sell a piece of property that may or may not have met, you know, none of us seem to know [cough] what happened back in 73. So, I'm just asking for suggestions. I'm waiting for Gary to come up with the official [clears throat] request that he said he would do to present to you folks, then present it to the attorney. So, does anybody have any ideas?

It's not grandfathered. No, because it's not grandfathered from from what I understand because the changes to the lot and things like that were made after the ordinances went into effect. If they were made before, they would be grandfathered. if you make them after they were basic they b they were made illegally at the time. So and that's why I don't think it could be grandfathered.

How big is the lot? It's probably around 3/4 of an acre. Right. It's a setback issue as I recall. Car there's a little 10-ft setback issue is what I first started with. Right. And then um before the uh board of appeals get done with me, I had three issues. [laughter]

you know, I don't know if back in 72 when this house was built, if it was carved out and they just never filed it because it was a matter of months. So, you know, we can't guess that, you know, we what we do know is what we do know. And I'll take it to the attorney and say do a little bit of a title search on this and see if you can find anything that says it was prior to that time when the town came up with their new zoning. The other question does does the town have the same at that time have the same lot requirements 200 ft frontage 40,000 square ft um throughout the whole town or is different parts of the town zone differently.

See it's it's it's 90,000 ft now. Yeah. I I don't know what they were. You I'm curious if how how they were able to and and I'm not looking to put any blame but how they were able to create this. If you look at all your maps, there's there's nothing that's the size of this lot.

And it was done and people have paid taxes on it 40ome years. And and I don't know if if not doing a lot of land use law, I don't know if you can can essentially create a permanent non-conforming lot through the use of a consent agreement or not.

And so I'm not sure if that's permissible. Isn't there a hardship case law [clears throat] where you've already soaked so much money in? [snorts] I I I don't do a lot of land use law there. I don't I don't know the answer to that. I would have

Do you know if there's such a thing, Calvin? Well, the variance uh the variance you have to meet four criteria and you'll never meet them if you are very strict in the way you interpret those. So uh the is to answer the question this lot was created in 1973 6 months after our zoning was enacted 1972 and the zoning uh was townwide. There was no boundaries or districts. It was town wide. It was 40,000 square ft with 200 ft of frontage and he didn't meet the lot size the setback. It was a 20 foot setback. didn't meet the center act lot size or the um the frontage

and when I when I bought the property I came to the town researched the records and the town records still designate that there's one acre there so it didn't trigger to me you know we did a title search we did what you're supposed to do [clears throat] and um and so here we are

and looking for advice [clears throat] really the whole the variance process was supposed to help mitigate things like this, but the way our ordinances are written, um, it left very little room for interpretation for the appeals board [snorts] to to grant it. Um, so on

a strict reading, which is uh the way they have recently been trained is a strict reading of your of your ordinances. And uh but no, I I think I' I'd like to kind of I'd like to wait for Gary's uh recommendation because it's not something I have um I have seen [snorts] uh since I've been on the board and just like but I I know uh Gary is very versed

in this. Okay. Yeah. So, his recommendation was that was that uh the town file a lawsuit against him, his attorney answers the lawsuit and consents to something and then and then that gets and then the town agrees to accept that consent,

right? So they said they make you come to a legal settlement that creates a a permanent can be done for a couple thousand bucks if but my Cland told me 2,000 your guy here Gary said that you know sometimes they do them you know for the court cost whatever the court cost is

I mean to me I mean if that works that works to me it's a circumvention of the process but as long as nobody appeals in 30 days I guess you're good you're good to go it's a circumvention process [laughter] Now, so hard to believe.

To me, it could be construed as an intended service. But is if I guess I move with Jeff. I'd like to see what the what the letter says. I mean, if that's the only way that works, then that's the only way that works. If that seems like a pistol way to have to do it, if you ask me, point blank, to have to us to have to sue you and get the letter back. I mean, that's just I guess that's politics at its best. But it's not what I care for. But if that's how we do it to get it to clear to you, that's what we do. But I

we do these no action letters all the time. Yeah. But banks have just gotten a little more strict about it. Well, it's not so much doing the process as having to spend that kind of money and it seems foolish to me. But I'll talk to Gary um or maybe if you see him. He he had indicated that he

see him, but I I do email him. So, okay. He had indicated to me that he was he didn't think he could do it by this Tuesday. Okay. Yeah, but he was going to make a recommendation um to the board to for this resolution and um and I guess I'll just wait and try to see you guys in a couple weeks.

Okay. If we can have that by then. Kind of I hate to keep dragging it out like that. I'd like to get an answer, but I suppose we got to go that route first before we say the heck with all them things and this is what we're going to do.

Mhm. Cuz that's the country part of me. Yeah. I got you. I got you. I I would just get advice from your attorney. If he thinks that's a good idea, go with it. I I see what you're They always think it's a good idea. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Especially when there's money involved.

Is the Attorney's Full Employment Act? Of course. Of course. Okay. Well, you guys have a good meeting. I'll try to get a hold or you can maybe speak with Gary. Can I give you my email address? Sure. Yeah. G R. There must be some way to approve.

VI L A CCI at Gmail. It's a variance process and it's written in the variance things. You can't grant a variance for anything that a the current home the current property owner or any previous property owner did. See, I'd heard the language by the current property owner or the previous one

or any previous one. When I heard it the other night, it was very clear was land prior. Right. Yep. So, so did the board actually vote on the no action letter? I believe we did. Yes, we have minutes of that because your attorney's going to want the minutes. She's going to want to record that.

Yeah, I can I can get the minutes. We should actually be approving them tonight. Is Was it just two weeks ago or I thought it was longer than that. When was it? I don't know. I don't know. [laughter] I get up every day and I go to last meeting.

Huh? No, it would have been I think it was two meetings ago. I think it was the seventh. I'll get to those two when I get the Okay. Thank you. Thank you guys. All right. Thank you very much. Dave Doug's brother. No. No. There's a Doug Stewart down area and he looks a lot like you.

Damn it. I talked to my dad. [laughter] Yeah. Okay. Consent agenda. Um, do we have a copy of the BYOB permit? Um, you don't. I didn't make you guys copies because you very rarely look at them. So, well, I I look at them before beforehand. [laughter] It's for a uh an event that's going to be held at the Eureka. Um and it's a Bob permit on the What's the date on that? The 25th. 25th of March.

It's not tall enough to stop there anyways. [laughter] I w to go there. motion. I move that we accept the consent agenda as presented. Second. Any discussion? All in favor? Motion carries. Um action or discussion items comprehensive plan committee.

[clears throat] it is the committee. Yeah. Well, tonight um I think you all have copies of the uh the contract uh proposed contract from Greater Portland Council of Governments. And this is a uh this is what uh essentially was in the budget that we talked about a week or so ago. the SE um 7700 as part of this for

a two-year contract for facilitation and writing of a significant portion of the comprehensive plan. Um after we uh consulted with um with Bowdenham's planner and talked to GP Cog and kind of got a sense of what type of support is typically involved when a community undertakes trying to do a comprehensive plan and because we don't uh even when the code enforcement officer was here before he resigned um we didn't really have the in-house skill set to help us accomplish what we needed to accomplish. And um so we went down the road of of talking to GP Cog and developed a state a statement of work or scope of work if you will and this is the contract that they um that they proposed. The only change or edit that the committee made to it was to change the date from January 24th, 2017 to April 4th, 2017. Our our uh hope is that with approval of the contract that we will have the um representative from GP COG that's going

to work with us at our April meeting and uh help us put a little bit more structure and on a timeline of and plan of work and uh so that we can meet our goal of having a a plan approved uh at the 2019 town meeting. It's April 3rd. So, are you looking for us to approve the contract tonight?

Ideally, yes. The only issue obviously that we have with with entering into any kind of contract is that we the funds haven't been approved yet at town meeting. And so, I hesitate to to commit to the $15,000 contract until we know that the

Yeah, that's Can can you make a motion to approve it with the condition that it's approved at town meeting? Basically, we [clears throat] wouldn't sign it until after town meeting. And I don't think I don't think they're going to have a problem with that at all. So,

so I would move that we accept the professional services contract between the Greater Portland Council of Governments and the town of Durham contingent on approval of the necessary funds at the zoom meeting. Second. Any discussion? Is is is this or has this been looked at by alloy or does it need to be?

Uh we could certainly run it by Jack. Well, I know most most our big contracts like this we have done that in the past just to be on the safe side. I'm I don't suspect anything but you know just to be they they understand the mumble jumbo stuff. I don't.

read it. It's pretty straightforward. GP COG does this with towns all the time. Um, but certainly if that's how people want to Well, I just I was just asking if it should be. I mean, I don't I don't have a problem with it if you're okay with it. Uh, just I know usually something this size, we've had that done in the past. I don't want to I don't want to waste the money having the lawyer look at it, but I don't want to not spend it if we should. So, it's just kind of what everybody else thinks. I'm just one/4. remember.

I know that feeling. I'm just throwing it out there to make sure. It used to be 1/5. You must have got games. Yeah. [laughter] Um, the only other I guess the only question that I had on it would be that although it does identify the deliverables, which I think is is great and frequently missing from contracts, it doesn't give any sense of of time as to when it's pretty open-ended as to to when they're going to provide these things. Okay. The other thing they do have

it sounds like you know you guys have to to sit down and really hammer out what that timeline looks like. So yeah and so I think the technically the the the ultimate deliverable is a completed plan for town approval at the town meeting. I will say though that I think a strategy that we've aware that other towns have used to help facilitate that appro the state approval after town meeting is to be sending sections to the state reviewer on a regular basis for feedback. You know, uh so that we don't run into a situation we did last time with the town approves it on town floor, we send it to the state, the state says, "Yeah, you need to work on a few sections." And then it just dies right there. So

on the broad end of of April 3rd, 2019, there's a two-year cap on it. Then earlier if all work is completed, but termination clause if if things for whatever reason that becomes necessary. Yeah, certainly the spirit of the discussions with GPCOG is to be very, you know, flexible and, you know, what works best for the town and, you know, but I think, you know, obviously it's still prudent to have a contract to protect you in case things go south. But

it um they've even, you know, they came to our the meeting, the public meeting that we had, um, you know, just on their own dime just just to listen and and hear what was, you know, what the town was thinking about the project. And so I think they're uh I think they'll be good partners to work with.

Motion carries. Thank you. everyone's aware, we do have a code enforcement officer position open. And how do we int how do how do we want to proceed with this? Currently we we have our road commissioner um filling in where he can to to try to keep things going, but [cough] the way it is right now is not sustainable.

Right. Right. Um do we are we looking for just a short term um until we get something hammered out far as on where we're going to go and the direction we're going to go in? Um reason I asked this is the the Bowden corner post office is interested in coming over and help. Um he's not um MUIC certified. So that means he can do he can do the subsurface waste water. He can he can do the permits, he can do the septic permits, he can do the plumbing permits, he can inspect the the the leech fields and whatnot, but he's just not UBIC certified. Um, but he is he is interested coming over and doing some filling in. I don't know. How's that work? How would that work? Would someone come over and help fill in? You need someone to help help you or you need someone to do it? I guess is what I'm trying to say.

I There's so many unknowns. I mean, if if I mean, for a temporary I'm just talking something temporary here. Well, at least for this person. How guess how heavy is the workload right now? It's okay. Right now I'm able to keep up with it, but I mean I don't know what's going to happen once

once things right. I I know. Yeah. Well, I [clears throat] just that's why I'm asking, you know, I mean, I certainly like to throw my hat in the ring if if I'd like to like to certainly especially with the B thing. I'd like to I think I think the town could save money by paying one set of benefits. But uh like I said, this CEO, he is a CEO of Bowden and uh he is interested in coming over and helping out if we need help and spending the evening here writing out permits and doing inspections and whatnot. Uh if that's something we want temporary till we find the solution we're looking for, I guess is what I'm trying to say because right now I know [clears throat] I mean we we haven't terminated the agreement with Palo right now. So we we still there's still a need for a full-time road commissioner in both places and then if you throw this on top of that and things start getting busy how

but at the same time I think that the broader point I think that Calvin is I think making is that if the shared road commissioner position with panel is coming to an end and and we're looking at a parttime he's looking at ways to create it as a full-time position and I don't want to

jeopardize, hire somebody, right? And that's either jeopardize that opportunity or then fire the person that we've just hired. I think that's why we need to if we were looking at something, we need to look at it interim because,

right, uh the the the panel thing won't won't end until into end of June. So that we've got we've got several months. I don't. And the only thing about about having somebody temporarily that's not Mubck certified is it's been some pains taken to get some of the contractors that weren't building under Mubck to do that. Now they are. And even for a short time, I'm not sure as I want to have that slip.

Calvin, what what would he be able to and what he would he not be able to do? Legally would be able to enforce it. He he would have a year to get certified. Well, as I say, he just wants to do it part He just wants to do it part time anyway. So, that's what he want to me. That's Ryan Leon.

Whether he I mean, he does he just kind of wants to do it [clears throat] temporarily. Yeah, he wants to do it temporary. I told him it' be um three or four months till uh I did um also reach out to Dennis Douglas who is the Lisbon.

Yeah, but he's the member with Dennis. He's we're already they're sharing him with Sabatus already. So, he'll be doing Sabbatis and Lisbon right now. If he gets added one more, it' be three towns. Wouldn't Lisbon have to agree to that to select over they they have?

Well, the town manager I've already spoken with the town manager and so what they had proposed is that um our citizens would go over there and fill out the applications at their town hall. That's just me right now. And Dian's agreed to that. Um and then he would he would uh he would work for us and we would pay him a certain amount [clears throat] probably per hour and he would do inspections as well. Yep. So that's another possibility

and I guess there's a third party third third third party third party for your MUbec inspection if that's what you need to do for the [clears throat] but you you are MUBAC certified so if we need a MUB actual MUBAc inspection we we we might be able to do it as assuming that there we don't have 20 of them that you that have to be done

during a snowstorm but I think it's going to have to be very spelled out who does what though because I think it's going to be very confusing to understand and to people of of the well showing another one when you said they got to go to Lisbon Falls

there there should be one point one point of contact I mean so whatever we determine there should be one point of contact and if there if there need if somebody else needs to go do something then that then that point of contact needs to needs to coordinate it I think because yes having six points of contact for the is not going to

correct so I mean the the Lisbon thing if they were on board with it. Well, you don't want people going over there. We got to I still feel we need to people need to come here for the permits. People have to come here for the

for lineup inspections in Durham, not have to go to Lisbon. You're going to change part of how we inspect some of the codes. They still have to have move back and they send them over there. Even shortterm, that's not going to fly. We're going to get so much static, so many phone numbers [cough] here. Part of the issue, Calvin, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, is um you know, people come in and they fill out the applications for the building permits. And generally, um what had happened in the past was the code enforcement officer would go over the applications. He would give it to us. He would tell us how much to charge um and then he they would go on from there. But [clears throat] I don't know how to work this with the money and the applications. I mean, if we just hand out applications, then um you know, these people don't really have um a knowledge of how to fill out the applications and what it's necessary.

The way I did it where I came from, the ladies in the office just handed them the applications. When they came in, they filled them out. When I came back, they were in my box. I went over and issued the permits. So they could come here, get the applications, and then they could drop them back off here, and then we could either take them over there once a week or take them over there once, you know, every couple of days or every day.

Having filled out one of the applications, it definitely helps to have somebody walk through them because the the applications we have here are are complex because it's a oneizefits-all application, which means that if you're doing something small, you don't have to fill everything out, but when you look at it, it looks like you have to fill out this nine-page application. And in a lot of cases, the the builder fills it out and they know exactly what they're doing.

Yeah. I mean, I know over the years, I fill up hundreds and hundreds of them and most times don't help me fill them out. They just send you the application and that's it. You're on your way and you figure it out. Well, in this day and age, a lot of them they're fillable online. People just click on link and fill in.

They do that. Then they come back and they've got the live load string is the wrong size for their dead load. And then you got to and it's a it's a mess. So I don't want to I don't want to get it to be frustrating so that we start getting some more name calling going on.

And and this code personal officer in Bowden I'm speaking of he already has to meet one evening over in Bowden. So he knows that he's have to come here in the evening and meet with people and uh do the explaining how they how things are filled out and what they need to be and how to write the permits and uh and whatnot. Well, and maybe that would be at least a short-term solution of of to give out the applications, but have somebody here one evening a week to answer questions that people may have as they fill it out.

And in the daytime, too, cuz I ain't not trying to stick too much out there, but he don't work Fridays. And we're open Fridays. So, can we continue for two weeks the way we are? Um, can you maybe reach out and find out what he's able what he's able to do, what he's looking for, and

if he can come here maybe one, a couple of hours a week. So, she has Ryan Lee. Thank you. And I mean because uh as as we get into the spring more, you're going to be trying to line up work for the public works and things like that and the building cycle going to be heating up and I I don't see that you're going to be able unless you have more than 168 hours in a week.

Well, nights and weekends. Yes. [laughter] Glad I didn't know that back in the day. All right. [sighs and gasps] Okay. So, do you have an idea like if if we end up um doing this um what are we going to offer for compensation

or is that a discussion that you want me to have with that's kind of what I what what what he's looking for. Yeah. I mean, we we know basically [cough] what we can what we can do, but what is he looking for? Yeah. And where he's not MUB certified that will you know

since he's my boss little is possible. [snorts] You're on camera. That's okay. He knows. And that was for full disclosure. Yeah. Okay. All right. Thank you. Um next up discuss open acco position. Line them up. Line them up.

So I received a phone call today. Um, and in the phone call, the animal control officer has tendered his resignation to me. Um, he has not put it in writing, but he's made it quite clear that he is finished being our acco somehow. I don't think you'll see it.

I don't think you will either. Um, who do we have coming for us right now? You said you've had some Brian. No. Uh, John Rankins, who is the panel, will cover for us until we we get our own. Okay. And he may or may not apply for the job.

Yeah. So, can we can we get uh this position put out as soon as possible? Yes. I have a motion on that. So, moved. Second. All in fa any discussion? All in favor? Okay. Next. Uh, Chief, No, you don't. [laughter] The hazard mitigation is actually been on my report before. That's coming up this Thursday night. Calvin's working on getting some of the stuff reviewed and getting me an updated list so I can take that. Um, so we should be in good shape for that process. Probably the biggest thing I had to bring to to you this evening was to see if you're willing to uh allow the explorers who've done the concessions at the school for I don't know for quite a while. U see if you're good with the explorers once again doing the concessions at the school. first step in the process. I have to get your approval and then I have to go before the RSU to make sure that it's okay with them.

So moved. So move. So moved, seconded. [laughter] Any discussion? All in favor? Motion carries. I'm assuming this is a town meeting. Yes. Yes. [clears throat] I select my meeting. [laughter] Thanks. Um, that's actually [cough] and I got a bunch of other stuff, but I figured you had enough stuff on your agenda and none of it's pressing. So,

only thing I had is uh on town meeting day. Can we have Engine 22 sitting out front over there so people can see in their own eyes what they're voting on? I think that'd be important. Yep. I don't see why not. Long I can't imagine it's going to be freezing. That would be the only handicap if if it's freezing.

I just hope it ain't freezing then. I hope [laughter] not. I hope not. As far as I'm concerned, that cold snap last weekend was a little bit much. It' be a good thing for them to see what the vote on. Absolutely. Thank you, Chief.

Okay, Commissioner. Bill's not here tonight. I wanted to do that. I don't think I'm going to make it though. I ain't going to make it. What? Oh, [snorts] that one's good. We don't have any poples. The one that's got Oh, now they've been patched.

Oh, my notes. [laughter] Reclaimed packing. Oh, that was a pummel notes. much every day. Uh, as soon as they get done, we start over. This year, the frost is really, really moving stuff around. Still working on the 2017 paving plan. Going out with Sean Bennett tomorrow to look at some alternative options um for chip seals and cold mix and see where he's done some that I can look at that have been in place for a few years to see where his company, All States, has done some. So, we can see how those are holding up. Compare that to a hot mix asphalt.

Putting together the uh bid specs and RFP for the 2017 paving, chip seal season, cold mix, hot mix, chip seals, parking lot paving, road paving, so that that can go out. Um, you know, I know that um I know that uh I think it's been I think last time we extended the crooker deal that was already a couple years old and so probably about time I'd say it's due to send that out again. I mean they have extended the offer of doing it for the same price again with the escalator. So just with the difference of the liquid asphalt price, but

I think it [cough] makes sense to every everyone every few years. Yeah, it's been four years or so. So four four or five years. So, we'll send that out. Uh, [clears throat] we're working on the 5-year hazard mitigation plan for Anderson County. Been going over this and um, look at this. The last one was done in 2011, so it was the year before Sean got here. He was hoping he could cuz some of this stuff is just needs to be it looks like it had just been it looks like a 20-year plan that somebody just kept rubber stamping down the road and cuz a lot of this stuff uh has been done or

keep it keeps getting pushed out by it's been pushed out is what I think has happened because some of it doesn't reflect I'd say some recent or in the last 10 years the improvements that have already been made. So I've just got to go out tomorrow and work on that for him. Um, GPCOG is moving to a digital online

database for their cooperative purchasing program. So, setting those up for POM and Durham and um, I've got them in the system. I'm waiting back waiting to hear back for uh, I I've set them up. So, I just have to wait for them to contact me to enact it and then that's that way they can track what's being bought by vendor and different things. Um, working with Freeport and Brunswick uh to allow us uh dump brush found along our roadways at their recycling facility. That's the way we did it where I came from in Dixville. We hauled it to Mexico, the next town over and we dumped it there and they took it for nothing. Then once a year they were a couple of times a year they had Jolly Farmer come in and grind it all up and make bark mulch and wood chips. And so uh rather than rent a chipper and it's the way we always did it and it worked. I [clears throat] think it worked a lot better. You didn't

have certainly cuts down on the uh chance of someone getting hurt. the grants uh this month. March is when they're going to let us know. So, I haven't heard anything yet, but I'm assuming we will soon. Continued work on the 2017 budget

or at least that's what I've been doing. Hoping that that's uh not going to change at this point. [sighs] So, this class is uh one that um I have registered for for it's a fiveday five-day course for public works. Um who's going?

Well, I've signed up and then I thought about both Ron and I going, but I'm thinking about 5 days with nobody with neither of us here might be a bit of a stretch on the Do you would they offer this again later this year? Later in the year, maybe

once once a year usually. So you're talking about I've asked Sean he's never taken it but um very in-depth especially the first two days if you look at the itinerary there for the first two days is all about leadership communication correcting problem behaviors unsatisfactory performance managing performance that's what those first two days are [clears throat] and then the second two days which are in the month later are more to do with construction main report laws, legal issues, [sighs] uh, you know, required training, safety, maintenance records, facility inspections, all that stuff.

So, these say all it's broken up being out of it's not being away from the shop for 5 days and it's two days one week and three days another week. It's two days in April 11th and 12th and then three days May 15, 16 and 17.

Well, I for me personally, I I think it's I think it's a good idea for both to take it. Yeah. It's $700 for both of us. $3.95 a piece. You won't you won't get to question why you didn't spend your training budget. Well, I can tell you that. [laughter]

Well, there goes most of everything. So, I'd like to see both of you take it. I would. Well, I sent it in. I filled it out for both of us and I put in the total amount. So, uh, you sent it in and I said, "I can always take it back if

the boys a due list." The board doesn't agree. Yeah. I mean, we can have a due list and I don't mind stopping and say, "Hey, did you get it done?" I don't have no problems with Ruth. Ruth told me she could uh Oh, [laughter] yeah. No, I you know, can't does she get to drive the truck?

She can. I have operated a loader before. [laughter] intense. So, I think it would I I think it would be very good for for both. When do you switch over to the um 410 to the 410? I think it's uh we used to do it up there with when the clock changes, but here,

right, which is like next weekend. I don't think we could do that yet. In Lisbon, they do it right after the holiday in in April, which is that President's Day. Yeah, we have to wait till April because because I was wondering about April,

you know, like essentially switching that week so that that at least one of these days would if you had four tens, putting it at the front end of the week so that one day, right, good. They would get a 4-day weekend at that point and but they'd have to work the next Friday

and that Saturday, right? May 20th is the third weekend. So that'll be bulky waist day. Oh yeah. So you could switch out one of those days for bulky waist day. Yeah. Yeah. So, just different way one of those days off. Get one of those days off instead of bulky wasted.

Yeah. Yep. There's some things we can do there. Yeah. So, that would be too if you switch if you moved the uh Friday to the Monday off and then then the bulky waste that would cover two out of the three days. And and I would put this out there to them. I'd start just giving reminders about it now. Not wait till week before bulky waste. Yeah. So they making plans for that weekend just to remind them when it is.

Uh when is bulky waste? It's the 20th. Third Saturday, which is the 20th. Okay. 20th. The 20th. Third Saturday. I knew it was set by a third sometime. [cough] The second or third or third Saturday. So okay. Yeah, that would work. Um

that'll be two days. And then the other thing uh wanted to talk with you about is uh that I know the last couple of years um had I've had a discussion with the guys about it is that the Memorial Day parade. I'd like to offer them some alternative time off. So in other words, if they came in for 4 hours, I'd give them four hours and somewhere else off. Just I think it's a lot to ask for the guys to leave leave their their private activities and things. And I I but I think it's I think it's good public relations. I think it's good that we do it.

Yeah, I understand. It's And the only issue I have with that is if we do that for your guys, we also have the office staff typically rides in the parade as well. And [clears throat] um I know if we're offering it for your guys, we we would need to

in Lisbon we just as I worked at Moxy Festival, they pay him. They pay him. It's just so the guys want to have a float in the parade. Well, they they drive all the trucks and everything else equipment and I think it's I think it's I think it's uh the town gets benefit from that. And

I I think yeah, it's it's good public relations and things like that. And I don't have an I don't have an issue with doing something like that. I just need to put it out there. If we're going to do that for for the public works guys,

we need to look at it for the office staff as well. How many hours is it usually? What time? 4 hours. Yeah. From what? 9 to noon or so. 9. Yeah. If it's only four hours, why don't we just pay it? Pay them over time. Well, you can do that, too.

I mean, we got enough of the budget to cover that. I mean, unless we have Well, I just thought 100 hour weeks every week next win. I just thought if I gave him a half a day off somewhere else and lose then I don't want to lose the crew. We have such a small crew. I don't want to lose them half a crew a half a day off someplace. I'd rather just pay him like they do with less than Lisbon.

Pay them. You know, I mean, I suppose you could you could give them the offer. The only thing is is if half of them wanted to and half of them didn't, then that kind of sucks for your planet for whatever you got for Prague, Jack.

The same But then the same way with the office staff here. If we do that for public works and we have to offer it here, I see. Yeah. I mean, four hours. I say you pay them. Yeah. That's Yeah. I mean, I think it's a lot to ask for them to, you know, that's

to give it up to give it up for the holiday. They might be going places or Yep. Yeah. [clears throat] And if and and they may already have plans if they're going away for the holiday, so you may not have them anyway. And I wouldn't stop.

I would Yeah. If if they've got if they want to do something. Yeah. It's not mandatory. No, but I'd at least like to pay them for coming and Yeah, absolutely. Half a day if they want to do it. Yeah. Pay them. Yeah. So, okay. That

it would actually make it better from a OSHA if somebody gets hurt standpoint because if they're if they're volunteering then there's a question is do they really qualify? Yep. Well, we got to back up and pay them real fast. So that would be your your people as well.

Oh, we've actually had that discussion on floats before. What happens if I fall off? Yeah. [laughter] No. Anything from the board? No. Okay. Administrator. Um I just want to let you guys know we've received requests for information for the 2020 census already.

Cool. So, we're going to have to be working on that. And I'm supposed to be having a code enforcement officer help me with that. [laughter] Um, I used to do them all the time. Oh, awesome. Every year, that'll be helpful. Um, gosh, I thought there was something else I wanted to tell you guys, but it's completely gone

away, right? Well, we're used to it. All right. So, you can to take a look at the That's the mockup of the Yes. The book. Yeah. The book. Um, so actually that's gone to the printers. And we should have Oh, that's what I want to

light bulb came on the public session the 16th. Oh, yes. We need to set that up. We need to I've already reserved the Eureka Center Y for 7:00 at night. Do we want to make it um an informational night for more than just chief or just

I I would say maybe uh t town town meetingformational night so that we can bring up more. We can bring up stuff about the solid waste. We can bring up roads, anything that people have the qu questions on. Um, it will specifically be the fire department, but there I don't see why we couldn't have open discussion.

Um, I don't want to have a full town meeting there, but Oh, right. But the the solid waste contract, do do we want to invite the solid waste people? Um, no. No, I think so. I think No, I think we'll have them at the town meeting.

They're going to be at the Yeah. So, I don't see that there's a necessity. This What time is this? 7 o'clock on the 16th at the Eureka Center. My 16th. Yeah. And if we can get that next week out, should we purchase an ad in the Sun Journal or anything for that?

Uh cuz I'm just We don't have the tri town. Yeah. I'm just wondering whether we should try to get it cuz I the forecaster doesn't reach here very well very much. probably should. We could put it on the certainly on the town channel and on the

website. We could maybe um hang up where we hang the warrant. Maybe we can hang Yeah. Um I don't Could we Could we do a uh that board that you stick out here? Could we stick that down at the Eureka Center? Yeah. Oh, yes.

Yeah, that will that'll cover it. Yeah. Although Shannon really wants that board for the election back. Well, you want the board back? Yes. Oh, yeah. It's just for the 16. We'll have the 16th. Yeah. Then you can have it back.

All right. Yep. Anything Anything else? Any anything for All right. Upcoming meetings held here. Just adding another upcoming meeting that Okay. Um Tuesday, March 21st, 6:30 p.m. Ap Tuesday, April 4th at 6:30 p.m. our regular selectman's meeting. Um, is that tomorrow?

Tomorrow is the RSU5 presentation of the superintendent's recommended budget for the the uh 2017 2018 school year. Is that Freeport High School or I don't know where it is. Well, so they sometimes on these smaller ones they

I believe it is at Freeport High School. Um, obviously we were just discussing there will be a public information session on Thursday, March 16th at 7 p.m. at the Eureka Center um to discuss uh town meeting issues. Uh, absentee ballots are available at the town office for the March 31st, 2017 election.

And town meeting is April 1st. April 1st. 900 p.m. at the uh Durham Community Center. We do 9 a.m. 9:00 a.m. I'm sorry. Yes. 9:00 a.m. at the school. Dur Durham Community School. Yeah. Yes. And uh we we do have that reserved.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. And any of the action is the 31st. Yeah. The day before town meeting from 8:00 in the morning till 8:00 p.m. 8. Okay. Um anything else be Do we want to have any We already We already talked about it. Yeah, I was I just seeing if there's anything else before that. Yeah.