TranscriptSelect Board Meeting ~ May 17, 2016

input during too but I had to laugh about interpreting legal writing was specific. I was like you are a self signed by the license for us to approve it? They didn't sign it. It's not time. I don't think it's such a big deal since it's a private function.

I mean, maybe if this was a public hearing, I might have an issue with it, but theoretically it's representing that that they are check. Come on a little bit. They do hold this license, but they have not actually signed it.

I can ask them to email me a copy that's signed. on, but it's before our next meeting, right? But I mean, you guys could sign it and then I could have them sign it and not release it to them until Yeah. Hold it hostage. So, you get the one that signed.

We could pull it out from consent agenda, too, if you want and then approve it as uh, you know, approve it based on the uh approval of the liquor commission or whatever. So pending the police receives should be signed by the care.

Yeah. Yeah. The liquor commission is not going to have any issues with it. It's pretty straightforward. So if you want to pull it out, just say so when we get to the No, I just I don't know enough about it to know I don't think so. He had training yesterday and today so my assumption is that he's going to be um

there and Calvin's always a couple minutes late and I don't know is Chief coming home. Yeah, I thought Chief was coming. This truck was Are they selling liquor at this thing? No wedding. It's a wedding. Private wedding. Yeah.

So why do they even need a liquor license? They don't technically but Yeah. I mean it's a private wedding. I've been to a lot of private parties and we don't get liquor license. I think it's cuz it's catered. I think it's cuz it's catered. I think the catering company needs it.

Yep. They they need it for their liability. I got my cake right now. I'm g it. Well, it ain't no big deal. I don't think so. a big deal. All right. So, here's the DN. this baby right now. So, quick claim deed. Oh, did the quick claim deed make it on your guys'?

No. Nope. Okay. So, D before correspondence is a quick claim deed for Ditil Road property. yeah uh the one that was owned by Heather Robersonson, Ronda Robersonson, and Kevin Dit. She's come in and paid all of the foreclosed pond property tax.

Which one? Rhonda or Heather? Uh, Dwit's wife. I don't remember her name off hand. Ronda and Heather were the daughters, weren't they? The um Kevin Dit that came in references to our video video links to the meetings where we discussed the county

which is just going to be I don't think it's going to you know look up the email or size of emails I mean that's really the only thing minutes from our meetings and links it says where video is available we can de e r Yes.

go? I am. All right. Anytime. Thank you. Call this meeting to order. We have four out of the five selectmen here. So, we have a quorum. Could we please rise for the pledge of allegiance? States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

under action and discussion items uh item we'll add item G and it's a uh information and on uh Sean Bennett and a request. Um are there any other amendments that are needed for the agenda? Just a quick claim deed. Uh that's actually on the agenda.

Oh, it is okay. I just don't have a copy of it. Yeah. Um, all right. Uh, public comment. actually, I just wanted to make a uh a short comment uh in reply to the uh work stop order that the codes officer placed on property that Dennis and I own over at Meadow Road. Okay. He code officer is not here tonight apparently.

Uh he was in training yesterday. So So are you expecting him or? I don't believe so. Okay. All right. Um I'll pass out to each of you and all I want to do is hit the high points of a summary of what's gone on there to maybe give you some information that you you haven't been privy to.

the fourth page of this package because there's just a couple of uh it's a timeline. Do you Does everybody have a copy? Um you need a copy. You could leave them for for Josh in case he wants to look at it then if you like.

Uh so if you turn to the fourth page, please timeline of events on the Meadow Road property. And I I happened to catch the uh the meeting the other night. There was uh uh Paul mentioned the work stop order and then there was talk about the foundation and anybody that's been here for a while in town knows that thing has been sitting there for a while. So I'd like to start at number one and I'll just hit the high points and you can look at the rest later if you want. Uh in 2005 I purchased the property with an existing foundation. I observed an inward bow of about 3 in in the top of the wall at that time using a string. I also saw some minor cracks in the wall. 2006 uh I obtained a building

permit from Dan Feny, former CEO and capped the foundation. Dennis and I actually capped the foundation in 2006. We placed a string on the wall at that point and it was about the same. Um 2011, uh it sat the cap sat for a while. We actually sold the property, owner financed it to an employee of ours who wasn't able to finish the we had to take it back. So, it sat like that for quite a while and we ended up taking the uh the structure off cuz it was no good. Uh that was in 2011. 2006 to 2014, the foundation was pretty much left exposed to the elements. uh 2014 um I hired a

structural engineer to inspect the foundation because in 2014 we talked and decided that we were going to market the property and we knew that that would be an issue. So we hired a structural engineer to look at it. 2015 a year later same time frame I had it inspected again. 2015, I went to see uh Paul Baines, CEO, about a building permit on the foundation. At that time, he told me he could not issue a permit because he had no information in the town files that the existing foundation had been inspected. And you guys probably remember, I think it was around December, there was a selectman's meeting where Wanda Finch was in here and had a similar problem up at the Rangale Foundation where there was discussion between you guys about how to deal with it because there were no records. Um, and I think if you look back at the video, um, it was I believe it was I'm sorry, your name, please.

Sarah, I think you you mentioned check in with the former CEO. Uh, and Paul actually said that to me in a meeting, right? That seemed like the logical place instead of speculating that I'll ask the president. And thank you for that because Wanda went and got the uh sworn affidavit as did I. So, um, uh,

uh, number paragraph number eight, uh, that should actually be 2015 of December. My prospective customer asked to view the property. I showed the property to my customer, her brother, mother, and stepfather. I made a point of showing them the foundation and explaining that the foundation's condition had not changed and appeared the same as when I had purchased the property. I also told them I had obtained an engineers report. Okay. So, several weeks went by and uh my customer decided to contract with me to build the house on the foundation. Um, paragraph number 10. January 19th, I obtained an affidavit from Dan Feny, former Durham codes officer, stating that he had inspected the foundation. Number 11. January 25th, as requested by Paul Baines, Durham CEO, I presented Dan Feny's affidavit and obtained a building permit from him. He did not ask me for an engineers report at that time. Number 12, 2016 February to present.

Paul made on-site inspections for framing, underground electrical trenching, septic system, electrical and plumbing. He had access to the foundation both inside and out and was there able to observe it on numerous occasions, but he never said anything to me about his condition. 2016 of March, my customer's boyfriend came to the job site and said that my customer was upset because she thought the windows being used were substandard. He then demanded I give him the engineers report I had for the foundation. I told him my contract was with my customer and that she personally needed to ask me for the report. I asked him to have her contact me. My customer made an appointment to meet with me at the house and we discussed her concerns about the windows. I asked her if there was anything else bothering her and she said no. 14. Marched to early April. Work progresses on the house. Window issues resolved and the customer begins

interior painting. uh 2016 of April, my customer asked me to meet her at the house to talk. When I arrived, she had in attendance her brother and boyfriend. They asked me to wait to meet with someone who had questions about pouring the concrete floor in the basement. When he arrived, he began to berate me about the condition of the wall. My customer's boyfriend joined in and said the Durham CEO had met them at the site and told them he would not issue a certificate of occupancy me because of the condition of the foundation. My customer then presented me with an engineers report exhibit C of the foundation. I asked about the report and she said she had visited the CEO earlier because she was concerned that the foundation wall was defective. She told Paul at that time that I had an engineer's report for the foundation but refused to give it to her. She stated that he recommended she obtain an engineer's report and provided

her with the name of one engineer. The CEO did not contact me prior to recommending an engineer to my customer or to ask if I had an engineer's report. My customer did not ask for my engineers's report or my permission to enter the property for an inspection of the foundation. I was not notified that another engineer would be inspecting the foundation or that anyone would be entering the house for that purpose. 16 uh April 19th, Paul Bane, CEO, phones me to say he is issuing a stop work order because of an engineers report he had received. I immediately went to the town office to receive his work stop order in person. I complied with the order and notified all subcontractors to stop work. April 19th, my engineer makes a third inspection of the foundation at my request. Uh, paragraph 18, I met with Paul Bane, CEO, and presented him with my engineers report containing three years of observations dated 42616.

He said he would not resend the stop work order because of the conflicting reports and told me that the two engineers would have to work out a compromised solution. the two engineers to work out a compromised solution, the Durham CEO has decided he needs to hire another engineer. Exhibit D. At additional expense to perform an in-depth study of the foundation, including excavation, which is not recommended because of the additional stress it would place on the wall. that's noted in my engineers report and by others in exhibit C and B and E. Uh in summary, um I disagree with

the conclusion contained in the engineers report that the Durham CEO is using as a reason for placing the work stop order and as a basis for all other actions he has initiated. I believe the CEO's action is based on a wrong assumption about the pre present condition of the wall. There is no evidence to suggest the wall is moving from frost thaw cycles. I placed a string along the wall after I purchased the property 11 years ago and observed the 3-in bow. I observed no change when I strung the wall in 2006. I placed a string along the wall in 2015 when the building on when building on the foundation and observed the same 3-in bow. Hasn't changed. The wall has not moved. The cracks in the wall have not changed in appearance for 11 plus years. I also obtained a sworn affidavit from the seller of the property who viewed the wall with me on 52 2016 and stated that it had not changed since he last viewed it in 2004.

Um Dennis Dyer who built on it with me was there too. I don't know whether you have anything to add or um just that you know I was there from the beginning. I own 50% of it with Jeff and when we capped it the first time in uh 2006 there was the you know the 2 and 1/2 3 in bow and I was also working on

it when we recapped it in 2015 and the the bow was still about 3 in you know so it had not moved in the 11 years so it's I, you know, in my opinion, if the U engineer that says it's a pro thought cycle that's putting the wall in it, then it would have changed over that period of time. So

look, I I've thrown a lot a lot at you in a short period of time and I guess what I'm not going to ask you to comment on on it right now because you need time to go through and look at the exhibits. Uh but I am going to also present at this time um uh a request for appeal of the code officer's decision. Uh, but having said that, um, I I'm only doing that because I've run out of time. I've got a couple more days and the 30 days is up. It's my intent and my hope that you'll look at this, you'll look at the exhibits and decide that let's let the engineers work this out. Let's let the two engineers because I think it's an engineering problem between two engineers. I'm not an engineer. Paul's not an engineer. Dennis, none of us are. Uh so I'm hoping that if they have enough time they can work out a solution. Uh which is what we had all originally agreed to. The only reason I'm in here and it's it's it's if

you look at the ex I'm you don't have to take time to do it now but there's an exhibit in here where Paul's latest request is to excavate the foundation and my engineers told me not to do that. Uh and I just don't want any damage done to the property. Um, so with that, you have uh you have my copy of this. Is there anything else that you or do you have any questions?

I had one quick just a technical strictly a technicality question. I appreciate that. You're you're an attorney, right? I am because you were talking about, you know, timelines and and this is dated April 17th, 2016. Did you mean to date it May?

F. Yeah, I did. Okay. Absolutely. So, uh, can can we change that? I mean uh absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I I uh I have another question on the on basically technicality. Are we the right people to appeal to? Is this supposed or should this be appealed to the appeals?

I'm not I'm not appealing. I'm only I'm not appealing to you. I'm I'm If you read the bottom of the cover letter, um I say given the we're looking at the top cover letter, the last paragraph. Given the circumstances, I request the appeal be stayed while my engineer and I work with the engineer engaged by my customer to reach an agreement which will resolve the CEO's concerns. Uh, it's my intent that we have enough time to work this out with the engineers, but I don't want to I want to protect my right,

right? So, I just want to clarify what you're asking us to do is to to stay the the period of time in which you have to appeal it to the board of appeals to to put a hold on. Yes. I I do not know as we sit here today whether or not that's something we have the authority to do, but that's certainly something

you do. You do have the authority though, I believe, to stay any further action from the codes officer until the two engineers can work out a compromise. has the authority. I I disagree. I disagree. I read it. I read it in the land use ordinance

appeals were in that ordinance provisions to follow that. We're not I'm not appealing. Right. Well, and as you said, we are going to take a little bit of time to that's all I ask and nobody's going to that would be good immediate decision.

Please call me with any questions. If you need any clarification after you've digested a little bit, I'd be happy to answer them. You miss your opportunity. You get 30 days. I I would be dealing. Let me try the application.

Well, okay. This is this is the application. Um I haven't enclosed my appeal. I'll really this is this is your form. So I'll rely on you. My intent is to protect my right to appeal and filing this, but my but I I would like to be able to have time for the two engineers to work out the compromise solution. So you're

the ordinances and so on. If you if you actually put in this appeal that starts the next clock ticking, I think which is a 60-day clock is that for for the appeals board to take it up, right? I I I guess what I'm trying to say and I I think you understand. I want I I want to protect my right to appeal, but my desire is and my hope is that we'll be able to work all this out before we get to that point.

Right. And I but understanding I think what Jeff is is getting at is that in an effort to make sure that your rights are protected. I anticipate that you would probably want to make sure that this appeal is properly filed with the board of appeals and maybe include a cover letter indicating your intent to

to stay the proceedings. But that would be the board of appeals rather than the board of select. Okay. So I I'll ask your assistant Sarah. So is that something I I can uh how how is that accomplished? Would that be dropped off

here? Here. Yeah. And then we would get in touch with the board because that, you know, they don't meet unless there's an appeal. So if if Mr. Dit all I wanted left the original here with you, would that be cons today? Would that be considered that it was filed with the board of

I think the fee has to be paid. I can pay the fee. Okay. No problem. Yeah. Yeah. I I think that in an effort to protect your rights to appeal and so on, I don't I I am not aware that we have the authority to extend the appeal period and things like that.

Yeah, we're all learning here. I don't know either. All I know is that there's an issue that we're trying to resolve and I don't want to run out of time and mostly, you know, I know that the the board of zoning appeals has certain authorities and and I don't want to step on on their toes and and box them into

on the board of appeals, right? That we weren't entire, you know, make decisions that that put them in a difficult Schneider is the chairman and that's who you would want to. Okay. So, so if I understand this, I can leave the original with you, Ruth. Pay you and we've I've officially filed the uh appeal. Is that correct?

Correct. And and make sure you change the date on the original. Okay, I'll do that. Um, can I accomplish that right now or do you want Okay, I can manage it. Can we How many copies did we have out? Can I uh I can get more, but can I use

I'll let him have that. Let me get out of the way here. Does um I assume that Paul doesn't have a packet like this, right? He doesn't, but you know, I will make another copy and I'll get it. He has a lot of the documents in there. The only thing he doesn't have is the timeline, which I'm more than happy to get to him.

Okay. Yeah, the timeline and the letter explaining each of the exhibits. He probably has all those exhibits here or there and so on, but at least explaining so that he knows where to look. Sure. Well, I'll we've been emailing back and forth, so I can make sure he gets it.

Yeah, if you have an electronic copy, too, you can just Sure. Yeah. There we did that. And that way I would anticipate the board of appeals could make a decision about right, you know, whether or not to to hold off on moving forward to allow

it. Thank you. Which one's that one? Elizabeth. Further public comment. Meeting House Road. And what they did to my front yard, I'm very unhappy with. Originally, before they started the ditching, they came and said that on the east side and the 125 side of my driveway, they were going to dig down and ditch probably 12 in to 18 in away from the skirt of my driveway. The ditch ended up close to at

6 in. They did, you know, grasp that in and do the best they could uh so that that wouldn't wash out my problem. I was afraid if that was going to wash out and take my the skirt right with it. They said the other side had natural runoff, they probably wouldn't have to do anything on the west side or the 136 side of my driveway. Uh when they get in there with that excavator, they I asked the road commissioner right behind me what they were going to do and he said, "I'm just going to clean that up a little bit." Well, if he calls gouging into my lawn, so when not able to ride my lawnmower down and mow that, it's just like a cliff just cleaning it up a little bit. Uh him and I don't think alike. And I don't know whether if any of you had a chance to look at it, but

you know, there was damage to both telephone poles. Central main had to come out and move one of the high tension wires because it it burned into the tree and the they carve the roots of that other tree all the way. So, it's going to kill the tree. And then they put all that stone there to hold it, which is a mess. An eyesore.

Pardon? Is the tree in the town's right of way? I believe I I believe it is the one that the one with the roots exposed you're talking about? Yeah. that the rightway is? Do we know how far up on the other side of that tree?

Quillways. Another stone wall goes up across the square behind that tree for the town's right of way. The town right away at the top of the hill and into his lawn area. Quite a ways beyond where we went. So we we run into that from time to time especially because people may have been mowing the property for a long time but unfortunately when when we do start doing the ditching unfortunately we haven't done any for 15 20 years. We're like way behind. We need to get some done. We run into this and people just assume that the town's right of way is the ditch into the middle of the road when in actually it may be 20 ft each side of the road of the tower. It's usually so many rods wide. Um, the road's not always in the middle of the rideway. Sometimes it is, sometimes it ain't, but I'm assuming that before we we did this, and I'm quite sure that that's what the process is. We always make sure that whatever digging we do,

it's town property. So, in some situations, we may scratch off the little bit of lawn that somebody's been using. You know, it's it for us, for the town, for the road crew, it's uh it's a never- ending battle. People want to mow what they've been mowing, whether it's theirs or not. They don't want the water here. They don't want the water there. So, we have to ditch it. Try to get the so the water gets out of the road, down the ditch, so the roads ain't falling apart all the time. So, I'm not sure what it is that you're looking for us to do, but if if the tree is in the town's right of way and the ditches, I went I've rode by there two or three times and looked at that and there is no culvert there in that driveway. And it looked to me what they had done and I asked the question. It looked to me what they had done is try to make it so that the water came both sides and off so it wouldn't necessarily

all of it come out into the road like it has in the past. And that was the that was the answer I got. That's what I thought I saw when I asked the question. So, I'm not sure what it is you what what are you looking for at this point?

What I'm saying is before they started on the 136 side of my driveway, that was already a natural runoff. There was no need to do what they did. Two of the road crew said the same thing. He said, "They won't have to dig on that side. That's already natural ditch right there. It'll run down. But when he got through with that excavator, yeah, it's deeper. And he ruined my front lawn and he messed, you know, look at that stone. You think that looks good? You want that in front of your house? That's crappy.

I The stone gets put around culvets and everything. I mean, I mean, whether I like it or not, I mean all that stone they put around the bottom of that tree to hold it. That looks terrible. What would you like to see, Doug? I want that stone out of there for one thing.

Well, if we take the stone out of there, what's going to happen is water that comes down through there, I can assure you, is going to erode it away then. So, I'm not sure if that's the best answer. I think the I understand what you're saying about your lawnmower and you want to slope. I understand that. I think the best solution here I can see, I rode by there quite a few times. Look, is take that tree and slope it down because what they're doing is trying to save that tree is what they tried to do. And I think if they take it, then they can make that progress your lawn across like you want. And uh that would probably get rid of the stone because right now the stone is trying to hold up with that tree which I agree with you is probably going to die in five six years from now anyways. All the roots exposed. Um Calvin, what do you think?

That tree will be there 50 years. Kind of tree is it? It's maple. And you can take all the roots off one side of that tree and it'll be there 100 years from now. Yeah, maple is a pretty hardy tree. If it was tree, they'd be dead. You can't touch roots on a brick tree, but on a maple you can.

But is that a is that a is that a solution? We smoked out. I'm going to go get those rocks. But I don't think the tree is going to help his lawn because if the tree was gone, I mean, can we make a slope so he can mow it?

I'd have to go back further. Yeah, right. I mean, right into his lawn, man. I don't want to go back. But the tree isn't going to help my lawn. I mean, actually, the tree is beyond where my lawn is. Anyways, what I object to is all that stone I put around the bottom of it. And I think we were going to put those rocks there, and then we were going to come back and put some smaller ones on top. And I think we said and I talked to you last fall was wait till this year. We'll see how it looks and and then we'll go from there. So I think I can go get those rocks and I honestly if that tree dies I'll be one. I'll go take it out in a minute. But I don't think it's going to die. But

I don't think it'll erode either because it's very clay soil. up. Will that work? I was just going to put some smaller rip wrap on top of those big ones and try to make a just try to shape it around the bottom of my tree.

Not those. Not like I mean, that looks terrible. Do you think that looks good? Well, I think what what Calvin is saying is that that was a temporary measure and then he's planning the spring to come in and and put some smaller rocks and contour it and and make it shape it more

appropriately or more aesthetically. Oh, any, you know, anything is better than than than what they got. You know, that that just looks terrible. My wife said, "I can't believe the town did that." And I've been trying to figure out, you know, there's no way you can you can hardly stand there to weed whack that. They did put, you know, grass in there and to hold that dang, but the thing is so steep, you can't even stand on it.

And I guess the point I want to make to you is that everyone else on that road has the same situation. They have to weed whack that ditch. That's how they cut it. That's that's what they do. Well, everybody else on the road lawn didn't come down like mine did. Number one, there was some places you had to ditch. And I'm I don't say that you had to dig

a ditch on the 125 side of my driveway. Not complaining about that. But what I'm saying is there was a natural runoff on the 136 side. You didn't have to do anything there. the water would have run right down there, but it wasn't running down. It was going out down the road and freezing the whole hill there. So, I needed to get it down out of your driveway. It shoots right down your driveway into the road. I needed So, I built the crown of the road up and tipped it back into that little bird's mouth. I didn't put a ditch in front of your house cuz I it would have been I talked with you about it. We went over it that I was just going to put a little impression there and I made no guarantees about what the hell the final product was going to be. But we just put an impression so that water hits the road, hits the crown of the road and goes right back into that that swale and hits the ditch down below. That's that's

what we were. If we put some of them bigger rip wrap rocks in there, you need something to hold that unless we're going to take the tree out of there. It's a maple tree. They're pretty hardy trees. I agree. Um, if we put some rip wrap in there, uh, to kind of hold that, we're going to be able to put some in there that will hold that bank so it doesn't come come apart. It might be just as easy to take the tree down. We're going to go through that to get those in the foundation and then it would take some I mean, I'm not sure if those rocks slid down over the winter or what. To me, it seemed like they were up closer to the tree and they might have slid down a little bit.

Well, they they could have. I mean, frost and there's no doubt. Yeah. I I just can't remember last year what it looked like. It seemed to me like they were up closer and they probably slid down. So, I'm afraid they would just lie down. So, you're going to be You don't care if the tree is gone or not?

I'd like to see the tree gone and those rocks gone. I don't know what I'm going to do to fix my lawn. It looks like that's going to be my responsibility to do whatever I want to do to try to fix the mess that's been created there. And I'm I'm not happy at all. I mean, I feel two or three of the town crew said the same thing. there's natural runoff. They aren't going to have to gouge into that

bank on the 136 side of your driveway. And that isn't what happened. What they told you was we wouldn't need to put a ditch there. And that's what we all told them. We won't need a ditch like the rest of the road has. All we did was we put just a little impression.

And so you you skydive so much out of that that bank that there's no way that I can Yeah. Well, we went back at as gentle of a slope as we could. I didn't want it straight up and down. So we went back as generally. Now what I would do, I mean I used to be in the landscaping business and what I used to do for a lot of people in that situation is they'd go and terrace that. You go halfway up and dig it flat and then put some land landscape timbers or some type of terracing. You put some junipers on there. You could make it look really nice. But the town unfortunately doesn't have the money to do that. If you want to do it, I don't think the town would have a problem with that. But it's the back slope of the ditch.

could put down some weed fabric and some back mulch on it or some uh blue rug juniper that will cover the ground or ground covering. There's all kinds of things you could do with it and then you wouldn't have to mow it. Wouldn't have to touch it.

Right now, everything we've done is on town's property. Yep. So, if your preference right now would be to remove the tree and the rocks, remove the tree and get rid of that those that stone. Good. And my concern is if if we're going to remove that tree, I want to get I don't want to be getting up into repairing his lawn.

No, we It isn't even in my lawn. The tree is The tree isn't, but the probably the roots once you start yanking out of the roots probably go a little ways. We'll cut them right off. I'd say what we do is get a price on I don't know that you got to get sealed bid, but I think you can get a couple prices on taking that tree down.

You're going to be four to 600 600. That would be fair guess I would think from what my experience. Um and whatever you think it would cost to kind of feather that the best you can without without making it so that the water doesn't run the way it needs to run.

Just chop that. I mean can we grant I didn't build the house. I inherited that driveway. And when I bought the house, I had no plans to black top it. That always looked picture perfect. Well, I bought that house in December of 97. And every time the get a little freezing rain, I'd go out and throw a little dirt on the driveway and it was beautiful. about April, May when the rain came,

every time it rained, the driveway was down in the road. I asked the tenant, I said, "How on earth did you keep that driveway looking picture perfect?" So, old guy was out there working eight hours a day, six days a week, and every time it rained, he was down there with his wheelbarrow and broom. I didn't have time. I'm I'm working full-time. I don't have time to do that. Um,

so I blacktalked it. And granted by black topping it, the the water does, you know, fly down that driveway, but by crowning it like they did in a little ridge at the bottom of the driveway, it it diverts that water, a lot of that water off in both directions. But the other driveway, it had a circular driveway when I bought it. And the other

driveway that went down was just low enough below that rise by my first driveway. If somebody came, all the we had daycare there and all the daycare people came out and they wanted to go left and I was just worried that somebody would come flying over that hill, we'd have a fatal accident there. So I did away with the other driveway completely. But you know, unfortunately, the way the driveway was put in and after it was blackted, that's where the water goes. Let me ask you this. Can you can we have a little bit of time to do this and maybe we can piggy back to the cutting with some other tree cutting we got going on?

Yeah, that's that's what I you know, if get the get rid of that tree and if we have to are we going to have to put some rip rat back in there? No, not if we take the tree up. Okay. Pick it up. Nice. It won't be any steeper than what's on his front lawn. So, I can I got room behind him. I mean, speaking from memory, the way I recall that there's

some room back there and make that work. Okay. Well, that's what we'll try to do. We'll soon as we get that information, get the price and a time frame that it can be done, we'll have somebody call you or he or Calvin will call you and

Okay. Just let you know it hasn't been left in the air. If you want me to come over and show you how to dig that back in and terrace it or flatten it just so you can put some plants on there or something. I could show you how to do it. That' be something you'd have to do on your own. I don't think we would have any issue with that. It' be no reason we would ever need to get back there for anything. I don't think we're going to have a 95 going through there anytime soon.

Hopefully not. Hopefully not. Well, once we get to run around pond paid, I never know what's might be a speed speed zone, but Okay. Okay. Very good. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. My future's so bright. I have to wear cheese.

But I don't work. I can't help you there. No. Good. Yep. Thanks. All right. Uh consent agenda. I move we accept the consent agenda as presented. Second. Any discussion? All in favor? Motion carries. I move that we go into assessor session. Second. All

in favor? Motion carries. Declaration of certified ratio. Um, so we have a thing here from uh Donna Hayes, our assessor's agent about our certified ratio which is uh 93% but for this for the purposes of the state is considered 100%. And uh we just need to sign I believe we need to sign this. Yes. And uh so that can be sent into the state.

this. This uh number right here depicts exactly what um it's for the homestead exemption. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I was wondering. the for the it's the reimbursement from the state for the homestead exemption. the homestead exemption.

No, this was ba it's basically last year's mill rate, right? Yes. Yes. And because we haven't committed yet, right? Well, that's what I was that was my thought. I know that we can't really commit until we have So, it says that the local tax commitment is not final for 2016. Use the 2015 rate. I was just wanting to be clear.

Yeah. I know can't really commit till we get to schools. Is there is there a motion on this? I thought I heard Sarah make one. Did you? I didn't, but I will. Okay. I I thought I thought I heard you make I move that we accept the reimbursement application and certified ratio declaration as presented. All in favor? Motion carries.

I didn't mean to put you on the spot. Discussion of commitment date. Yeah. So, um, we have meetings on June 14th and June 28th. The 14th is the election. So, we can't commit before the election because the the budget has to be voted in. Um, and the printers need it need the stuff by the 27th of June, which is before the second meeting. So, I was hoping that we might, you know, just meet to do the commitment maybe on the 21st, which is the Tuesday in between the two.

Why is there a deadline for the uh printers? Because they have to mail it by the July 5th, and they wanted it by the 27th in order to mail it by July 5th. Okay. Why do we have to mail by July 5th? It was that is that is that an arbitrary date or

it's a fairly arbitrary date? I mean, I know. I know. It's so we can start because the law Yeah, we can start collecting money. We can then we can pay off the tan sooner, right? And pay less interest, but Right. Okay. But

so it's it's an arbitrary date. It's not a hard and fast date, right? So, I suppose if we waited until the 28th, then we could maybe get the bills out. The 5th is a Tuesday, so maybe get them out by the 8th. Um, is it so I guess it's up to the selectman whether you want a special meeting uh on assuming that the school budget passes.

Yeah, that's kind of an assumption. Um, whether you want it uh special meeting on the 21st or just uh wait until the 28th and uh push the uh mailing deadline out in a few days. Well, the 21st would be basically just to set that, right? You're talking June 21st.

Yeah. Yeah. Yes, we're already meeting. We are meeting the 7th too with panel. Yeah. Right. So, it's whether the board wants to have a a special meeting then to to do the tax commitment. It shouldn't necessarily be a long meeting, but

I wouldn't think so. I mean, I I I don't want to drag it. I don't you know, I hate to throw in extra meetings, but I don't want to drag it out too long. So, I'd be all right with that if we could. Well, with the holiday weekend or with the Fourth of July, I don't know that whether you know the 5th or the 8th, I suspect it may turn out to be about the same within a day or two of each other because, you know, if it goes out the 27th, that Monday is a holiday anyway and no mail gets delivered. And, you know, I think to a certain degree it's a

Well, it would get mailed until the 5th. So, okay. I I I guess I really hasn't thought that far ahead. Makes no difference to me. Either or. Yeah, I I mean either way. I mean, I'm not firm on the 21st. If we can sneak it in, we can the majority wants to do it 28th. That's um

Shall we um wait until the uh the 14th and then people will know wait until the 14th of June. People will know their schedules for the for that for the next week and whether they can do it. Okay. Yeah, that's true. We can make that decision right then. Yeah,

that's fine. Okay. I move we go out of assess session. Second. All in favor? Motion carries. Uh action and discussion items. Um the ban and Tam. Yep. We got three bids for both. Um one from Camden National Bank, one from Andrew Scoggin, and one from um G Savings

Institution. and they were all really quite good actually. Um, bath savings is 1.04% for both of them. And um, for the the tax anticipation note, it's 81%. For the bond anticipation note, it's 89%. And then for Camden, they had bid 89% for each of

them. Um, so I would recommend that we go with Andrew Skyan because they have the lowest rate on the the ban and uh no on the tan. Um, and then we just it's the same rate as as Camden on the So, you're recommending Andrew Scott.

So, question, are these rates so low because they're such short-term? Yes. Okay. Because I know when we were discussing it before, if we were to go for the full bond with with um them, the rates would be considerably more. And the these rates are more in line with what we might get through the bond bank.

Ye. Yes. And I asked I did ask him if um if he thought he could beat the bond bank and he didn't think that he would be able to for a short term for maybe a longer term bond but not for something that's only seven years.

Okay. So I would move that we go forward with Andrew Scott for both for both. Second. Any discussion? All in favor? Motion carries. uh to go along with that. Um I don't Did you hand I didn't hand it to everybody because I

So I have another This is going to be um a motion to allow us to basically allow us to sign the uh the tan. This is Yes, that's for the tan. Um you gave a cop. Did you give a copy to Jill? I I didn't, but I can print as many as we need.

If not, I'll I can just give this one to her. But I will actually read it through so that it's entered. Um you yes. Okay. So I move that one un that under and pursuant to title 3A section 5771 of the main revised statutes as amended and supplemented there be and hereby is authorized the issuance of up to $400,000 principal amount tax anticipation note of the town in anticipation of the receipt of taxes for the municipal fiscal year which commenced January 1st 2016 and ends December 31st 2016. Two,

that said note shall be dated on or around May 31st, 2016. Shall mature on or before December 31st, 2016, shall be signed by the treasurer and countersigned by the chairman of the board of selectmen, shall be payable at Andrew Scogginan Bank, and otherwise be in such form and bear such details as the signers may determine. Three, that said note is hereby sold and awarded to Andrew Scogginan Bank pursuant to such entities bid submission. Four, that said note is hereby designated qualified taxexempt obligations of the town for the 2016 calendar year pursuant to the Internal Revenue Code. And five, that all things hereto for done and all action hereto for taken by the town, its municipal officers and agents in authorization of said no, are hereby ratified, approved, and confirmed. And the treasurer and chairman are here are each hereby authorized to take any and all necessary or convenient to carry out the provision

of this voting, including delivering said note against payment. Therefore, is there a second? So, all right. Any discussion? All in favor? Motion carries. [Applause] I'll make a copy and give it back to you, J. No, you keep

Yeah, I'm also All right. Um B, RFP on foreclosed property. so there's two pieces of property. I lost my paperwork about it. And I gave you guys all a packet. Here we go. With a calendar with all the dates that I had gone through and the minimum bids and the letters uh to the prior owners and all the account stuff.

were discussing. I would move that we uh go forward with the RFP on foreclosed property using the schedule listed. Um and of those so May 17th would be uh we will approve and we will mail the letters to the uh property owners. June 8th we will advertise in Tritown. June 22nd, the deadline for previous owners to pay the minimum bid. June 29th, advertise in the Sun Journal. June 8th is the deadline for bids at 2 p.m. July 8th, I'm sorry, July 8th, uh deadline for bids, 2 p.m. And July 12th, the uh award, we will award the bid. um using the um minimum bid prices listed. Um approving the two letters from the packet to go to the uh property owners and approving the um ads and the foreclosure notice.

Um any discussion? All in favor? Motion carries. Did I get everything in that? I think I did. Thank you. All right. Make sure we send the right one to the right one. information. that is or that was forwarded to us. Um it was from our attorney and basically

the courts denied a motion to stay all discovery until uh pending the outcome of mediation. So, we are going to have to go through the discovery process and um they are looking for and down below we have bullet points any discussion by the border council or any communications, emails or letters from the town or city regarding who has authority over benefits and salaries including complaints by the town. any discussion by the board or council or any communications, emails or letters from the town or city regarding the role of the budget committee or the commissioner's authorities to set the county budget. Um board and council meeting minutes and/or videos where litigation was discussed or voted upon. If video archives are available online, a link to those videos are sufficient. uh board and council meeting minutes where members of the charter commission attended and communications such as emails or letters to or from elected

officials, appointed officials andor staff regarding the litigation. So um for each of huh have we had any meetings at the charter commission? No, I don't believe that I believe that one we had none. So, um, pretty much I think what each individual selectman will need to do is look through their communications and emails and, um, any that anything that pertains to this. Um, should we forward them to you to compile

and I'll just print them up? Yeah. So, we'll forward it to, uh, Ruth to compile. Um, as far as the meeting minutes and video, um, I believe you can search for those. Um I think that covers most of those requests. Um in addition, we uh received this today uh regarding um

interrogatories and it's like a 30page deal that our attorneys have already filled out and we need to go down and review it to uh make sure that we agree with the what the attorney's position they're stating. And um so if each one of you can basically go down through it and let Ruth know if there's anything that you disagree with.

And then there needs to be a notary signature. Does it specify whether you all need to sign it or at the end? Um oh you mean the actual Yeah. Mark's got the actual document. Yeah. At the very end on the last page. be I'm going to guess it's the probably the chair.

yeah. Okay. So maybe uh next meeting we'll have this on the agenda and you can appoint somebody to um we can authorize somebody to sign this for the town. But that will give you a chance. What is there deadline on that email?

I don't know. Does it say on the email? I didn't see one. It doesn't I don't see one on the email. Um, somebody to sign it now, but I would like to hear I'd like to hear from everybody whether you have any objections or any any uh problems with any statements.

Right. If you want to make a motion of or Right. And I'm guessing that because you are a member of the budget committee that you would prefer to not sign. That might not be a bad idea. We could authorize you the town administrator or we can authorize Well, you're part of the uh you're part of the group that's working with the attorneys too.

I'm part of the So maybe committee. Okay. Then I'll make a motion that we authorize the um town administrator to um to sign and send this back to the attorneys after hearing from all selectmen. Second. Any discussion? All in favor? Motion carries. Make sure you uh include this meeting in in the uh as we were as we were actually discussing it. Um BCN contract.

Uh yeah. So the last time we were together um we were talking about the BCN contract. They had sent me um three separate contracts for 12 uh 24 36 and you had asked me to go and search out other options. Um I have a preliminary um savings which I gave to you all but probably didn't give one to myself. Um it turns out that actually we're not within the confines of a contract at this moment. Pam was the last one to sign the contract. It was a 12-month contract, so it would have expired um fall of 2015. Um I think we may be able to find a better price, but I'd like a little more time. And then the other option is to go voice over internet. Um which is an option that we could do in the future. I think that it's going to be um something that we're going to have to do. The only big issue I'm running into is all of the companies that I'm calling are telling me that that we can't portage our phone numbers um for

whatever reason. Um so I would suggest that I come back with some analog amounts the next time and we we decide whether we want to switch from BCN or sign the contract. and and looking at this um even though it you show a savings on some of the um VIP ones uh I

really don't think there is because if you uh if you look at our um 8570 number that's um the old town hall and we don't have anything there to be able to do VOIPE. So, we'd be paying uh another we'd be paying 51 or $52 a month on top of that and that eats up all the savings on any one of those.

Right. So, and it included in that is in in the Comcast prices um for the public works. we would switch them over to um cable, internet, and um phones if we went with with Do you Calvin, do you um notice any issue with your internet? Like, is it slow? Do you have a lot of lag time? Do you not care?

I don't know what to compare it with. That's because you have DSL. Seems to work fine to me. Yeah. Um when after you've gotten the uh other other quotes from other uh landlines and so on, um when you bring it back, can you also include as a side note what we are paying today for phone and internet uh or for internet and television over there? Because if if the quote includes it, we we need to understand the impact that that would have as well u because it we wouldn't have to keep paying it. So the savings might be greater,

right? Well, we'd still have to pay for television. The is it? Well, Comcast, you said include television. Yeah, Comcast. Is the 3538570 is that the It's the security system. It's required for the security system. Yeah. With the phasing out, it would appear, of traditional landlines. It may be worth a discussion with the security system of what they are what they're doing to address that and and whether or not there are other options available. I I read that the I mean we we need we probably should be kind of just keeping ourselves a breast of it. But um being the town as it is and things like that, I highly doubt that we will be seeing that any in any time in the near future um here. Um maybe some of the bigger cities, but things like that take a long time to propagate out here.

You mean other options besides uh cable for the VO? No, you the article that you gave us about the phasing out of um traditional landlines and the the possibility of that and so on, but it's coming. Yeah, I know what you're doing.

We we tend to be on the tail end of that. So, I still got my chisel and rock and I thought I was old thinking about, you know, the phone attached to the wall there was rotary dial. Yeah. Okay. Um, so you'll come back. I'll come back next meeting. And

we lived in a small town. You only had to dial the last four digits. I don't remember that. All right. So, uh, workers compensation audit. Yeah. This is sad news. So, we had our audit for 2015 for workers compensation. Um, and we we

significantly underestimated the payroll for 2015. Um, so there's an additional charge of $9,620 from 2015. Um, I had talked to Chief and um, Calvin about this and I did reook at yours and I I redid all the numbers. They had the numbers right, but yours was too high. So, I did adjust yours and I adjusted yours because

I thought he was trying to give me something. He Yeah, he gave you $10,000. So, so I've I've readjusted totals, which you guys are welcome to take a look at. This is the um effect that it's going to have on on your departments and my department as well. Um and then I did go back and I did check our 2016 so that this wouldn't happen again next year. And it looks like we're okay for 2016. Actually looks like we if we stay at the same levels as last year, we would get somewhat of a refund from workers comp next year.

Oh, no. Actually, I think my question doesn't is is that something that you can send uh you know basically send to them and say, "Hey, this is what this is what I we expect to pay in wages this year. Can you verify the you know can can you verify so basically a verification of what you what you what you're expecting

um so that I mean it will help us with budget planning and stuff like that. Well I'm not really sure what I'm what you're asking because what they send me um when they sent me the bill for the 2016 they send it all broken down as to what the estimates are for all of the pay pay. So, I took that and I I compared it to 2015 and that's where I did the comparison and actually the the amount that we paid in in workers comp is higher than 2015. So, in other words, I think it was $620,000 in salary. So, I'm not sure. I mean I

I was just wondering you know because you um I I didn't know whether there was a way that you could whether whether they would be able to say hey yeah based on these estimated numbers that you gave us this is correct or you're just using the numbers that they gave you and and plugging our numbers into it.

Right. I just don't I'm just not wanting to be caught again next year with a surprise. Right. Well, I had gone through all of the all of our 2016 estimated ones and then the 2015 reconciled and then the 2016 versus the 2015 multiplied them by their multiplier and then I had also taken into account our um experience mod which is 1.49 which is

not a good one um and multiplied that all through. Okay. And so theoretically, we should have a credit of about $1,800 next year. Okay. So, so unless we really go way over what we did last year for payroll, and I don't see it happening.

A lot of this was probably from 1415, that big winter that we had. I'm I'm It was 1415. It was also 14 was the first year that the public works department, much of it is in the public works department. And um I remember last year I had forecast that we were going to have a big overage from the 2014 and

I guess it was a year behind. Um so it was it it was kind of a weird estimation since since it was based off of a half a year of work and not a big winter. So So we should be on So do we have the funds in the budget to absorb it

absorb the That's the one that we're that's really going to be concerning is I mean we've got 80 almost 8,500 for public works but do you see that do you see that that's going to be an issue or where this was a milder winter do we actually have some um will we maybe have some leftover funds in the uh in the labor line that might be able to cover this

in this oh Yeah, I haven't looked. Okay. Uh I haven't looked. So, I guess we'll leave it with you to to check out check out your budgets and if you if you feel that this is going to be a problem, bring it back to us. Yeah. I'm sure we'll probably have enough in there to cover it.

I mean, his his is considerably more, but yours is still almost $1,000. So, yeah, I'll be honest. It's pretty hard for me to really tell if it's going to be an issue until I get closer to the end of the year with minus 8 or 9,000. I could tell you it definitely will be an issue. Okay. So, um, keep an eye on it and let

us know if you think it's going to be an issue. Yep. All right. Anything else on the workers compensation audit we need to discuss? All right. uh comprehensive plan ODS. 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12. We we have 12 uh members listed

and I'm not Ruth had asked me about being the selectman leazison and I'm not sure that I'm actually going to be able to do it. So So I'm tentative on that one. I'm It's I'm concerned. I know um it was mentioned a couple meetings ago, hey, how about the chairman be the liaison and

we tried I I am I am actually concerned about the time and I I anybody that's would take that on um if if it requires attendance at all the meetings and um this year may not be too bad but as we get into other year uh next year and beyond uh the time commitment may become quite intense. But

well, I'm going to I'm going to try to make some of the meetings anyways. I you know, I don't I don't know where this is just getting started out. I kind of want to be there when they started and see what happens. So, I kind of try to feel it through to see what the commitment is. Um but I I plan on trying to make most of those if I can. I mean, I've got other meetings that I I have to pass on because of this one. So, I'm trying not to shrug off too many more.

Um I I mean, even if somebody commits to it, I still would try to make because I'd like to be more informed. position initially, but um I would have to gauge how it right. There may be there may be some selectmen rotating through. That's that's fine, too. I think

um I do have a question at looking at these applications and I see that in several cases we have um family members and people or people living in the same residence and am wondering is that is that good for the makeup of the committee having uh family members or do we want it is it should we be looking for more diverse more diversity or I we need they they have expressed interest. So that's

right. I think that this is a good start. I think that you know ultimately it's that balance between not wanting the committee to get so big as to be unwieldy but also understanding that this is a long-term huge project and

there's going to be some attrition. So you want to have a big enough committee to absorb potential attrition. Um, but I don't think that people should be disqualified because they live in the same household. They have they're all individuals and have their own ideas and perspectives and bring different skills to the table,

it would be good to maybe get some some more people as well. Is there is there been a number attached to the size of this committee? Not yet. Um I mean I know I know Paul said the more the marrier but I think typically when you get beyond nine

things can bog down unless unless the committee decides to break up into subcommittees and where they um each subcommittee is tasked with doing a specific set of things and then having a large and then the larger committee meets uh uh on smaller shorter

occasions or whatever and the small committees do their business and I mean that can work. Yeah. And I you know some that are are like the Kathlingers there they got kids. It may be they got to switch back and forth or they may find that it's too much for the both of them and you know so

that'll end up being a open and maybe the other ones down there too. I don't know if they have kids or not but that could be an issue down the road as much as they want to be involved. family's usually first no matter what. So, I guess we could go we can go with that. We'll see what Paul's thoughts are. He's kind of heading this, so to speak. So,

we've got a wide range of people with different amounts of time in the community. People bring a a variety of different skills. Do you want to wait for Paul's opinion on this before doing the appointments? Uh, that may not be a bad idea. Okay.

So, we can bring this back at our next meeting. if you want to. So yeah, that way we can see his what? These are Paul's handpicked the Oh, people. Okay. This isn't everybody that Oh, no. No. This is everybody that we've gotten applications for.

Paul has reviewed them all. Paul has Paul has reviewed them all and we Yeah. Okay. So, okay. I will make a motion that we appoint um all those listed here and I will go down and read. We have Lon Butcher, Wade Kaplinger, Juliet Kaplinger, Jake Athetherton, Paige Crowley, Chelsea Stewart, John Simino, Michael Cop, Sarin Seni, Steven Seni, Kevin Nadu,

and are we actually appointing you to the committee? Okay, so the uh so we'll perhaps in the future I'm concerned about the time. Second Any discussion? All in favor? Motion carries. And initially I will volunteer to be the uh play on um and I

would be at this point I would consider myself an exeicio member It's okay. Yes. I didn't think I didn't think there was going to be much fight. All right. Uh, next up, and um I won't go into a lot of detail on this, but um our former road commissioner is

having some health issues and there was there has been a GoFundMe account set up to help with um some of the expenses. Um and we were bringing this forward to see if this might be a um appropriate use of some of the selectman's discretionary funds. Typically we have done it for um flowers or something like that but I think this would and our typical donation towards flowers or anything else has been $50.

from our selectman's discretion funds to uh be put towards this gofundme. Second. Any discussion? All in favor? Motion carries. All right. Apartments and committees. Chief, before we start, can I make a little comment? Um uh this this board of selectman and past boards and I'm sure future boards are usually put into place department heads and I just want to make sure that we're aware of what their positions are and that we don't inadvertently step on their toes. but they're put in place to do certain jobs and it really isn't our place to go and do the research for them

behind the behind the around the back door or however you want to look at it. Um, if we have suggestions for the department heads to do some research or they bring some to us and we think they should do more, we should roll that forward. But we as selectmans as the board and as individual selectman should not be doing that work for them. That's their job. That's what we paid them paying them for. And frankly, I got a full-time job. I don't have time to do it anyways. So, I just want to make sure that we're not stepping on their toes unless they've asked for our help or in the case if the if the chairman has asked for help. So, just to keep that away and not let's not let's not make more problems try to find out information that they should be finding out. No matter whether it's the fire chief, the road commissioner, the administrative assistant, doesn't matter who it is. We think that that we need

more information. Give it to them. Let them do the research. That's their job. That's why we're paying them. If we start doing too much of that, what's going to happen is the ball's going to get dropped and all of a sudden it's going to be, "Oh, I thought you was or I thought you was." So, department has to do the job and we shouldn't have any issues. Thank you.

Okay. Uh departments and committees, we've fire chief is up. um a note that uh you should have in your packet um basically a synopsis of the uh of the corporation meeting or uh what was addressed at the corporation meeting. Uh the chief has provided this for the last couple of months and if it is useful and helpful um he will he can continue providing it. if it's not anything that you're interested in, he he doesn't he

would be just as happy not to provide it basically. So either way, but if if it's if it's useful, he'll continue providing. So it but it's something I've always put together. So I'm going to continue putting it together for the department. It just yeah, when I sent it the last time, I was like, well, you know, when I first sent it, it's maybe I was having a hard time finding time to do a written report. And it's like, well, a lot of what I put in the written report is here. It's just a perspective I present at the department. So, I thought it might help. And then afterwards, it's like, well, this probably gives them a better idea of what's going on with the department if you guys want to continue to get at it. So,

I think it's a good idea. Personally, I like it. But, right, I think it gives a nice sense. doesn't it? We don't necessarily need to go over it, right? At the meeting report on it unless you ask questions, right? Occasionally I have people ask me and

I don't really know sometimes. Sometimes I think I know and I might not. So I don't When has that ever stopped you? Well, okay. But what you got? here's my official report around now. there. Gosh, I thought my ears around. Probably just read it and wondering where it is.

I was security cameras. I don't know what a UPS system is. Uninterrupted power supply. Thank you. It's backup. So CMP, you don't lose that right away. Downside of UPS systems is they're limited to how long depending on the draw, it's limited most of the time. Something like this heavy activity in the station and power outage. So it's working off the UPS system. I'd be shocked if it's in peak performance if we got more than an hour of operation or something like that. But and really in our case it uh the benefit would we have the generator actually even here with the generator it just gives you that supply just in case or while the generator is kicking in. So they're not as critical as where we have generators in place as they are in some locations. The other thing they do is usually offer lightning protection and surge protection to the systems which usually sometimes even brown outs or bad

power surges can cause problems with the electrical equipment. So So they're not bad. Well, the first one discusses the security cameras. I ended up with two price quotes. There's $14 difference between the two price quotes. It one is eight heads and the other is five. I actually think the equipment and the five head setup is probably better equipment and we can get by with the five head setup if we need to. But the eight head setup is being provided by u

a local Joe Whispel who's done most of the cameras, wiring, and uh phones and a lot of that. in most of the town buildings. So, he always takes pretty good care of us at a very reasonable rate, if a rate at all. Um, so I think it would be in the best interest of the town to keep the the business local. And

you don't happen to know this storage space on either one, do you? Yeah, it uh I brought my p you. Uh 360 hours on. That's the one on that Joe provided. I think the other one's probably going to say about the same thing because we talked about two months. worth of storage and then it just deletes the old uh

internal and external? both because the eight eight gigabytes of memory is on the uh other one. that's on the that's on the Yeah, that's that's that's not that's on the recorders themselves. Yeah. Um Okay. I mean the three Did the other one give hours?

You can spot it instantly. No, I don't think so. U yes the cameras are supposed to be inside now primarily inside but there's um whenever we've had issues at the station the issues have been in the back of the building where nobody can see illuminated but nobody can see back there. So actually what was discussed with both vendors is at least one if not two cameras going on the back of the building. One of them would be positioned so that you could look down at the it would view the modular as well. So it's a four they say four terabit system but I think they mean four terabyte system and uh so that that's a considerable amount. Um I I I would guess it would be similar storage as to the other one. This one is done not an expert at this stuff but if I understand the corre the explanations correctly they're not always done with a PC. This one that you just looked at, I I believe is done with

a completely separate PC, whereas the one that Joe is proposing is not done with a separate PC. It's actually done fed into a DVR system, which a lot of them do go into a DVR system now. And um I don't know that there's necessarily

we're kind of going with some of my stuff. the way of what little I know about them, I think this is probably the better the the five camera system is probably a better system. Um, I don't know if it's a more expandable system because the other thing I talked to both vendors about was down the road being able to add the modular into the system so you could put more heads on it. And in both cases, it would be kind of like a subsystem, but in both cases it was achievable.

Okay. I So I I would guess it said three the other one said 360 hours. I guess you'd have to divide that by the number of heads. So and they're motion activated. So it depends on So they're not always reporting, right? They're both motion activated. They're both The other side of it is they're both set up so that um like I'll be able to put it on the phone and receive an alert if there's activity. Um, you know, that way there I can tell, well, no, uh, there's supposed to be somebody there. There isn't supposed to be somebody there.

It's going to drive you nuts. Yeah. Keep tabs. We get animals. We get everything over ours. Ours go off. Everything, branches, everything. Yeah. So, it uh Yeah. So, I think either system will do that stuff. And like I said, I the system Joe's providing I don't think is anywhere as near the same quality as the five head system. I don't know if it's like this, but they there there definitely is differences in the quality.

Does his list what type of camera do they both list the type of camera? I think it does [Music] 2.1 megapixel IP6 bullet and dome cameras generating 1920x 1080 video at 30 ft per second. I guess means feet per frames per second.

Frames per second. Okay. Okay. His is the other thing with his his are 75 degree. the other I don't know if they wrote it in here, but what they told me when they came out to visit was there's a 90 degree Oh, the uh they didn't write it in here, but that's what they told me.

Okay. So, how wide an angle they get. Yeah. Okay. So, um discussion. Are you okay with this recommendation? Yeah, I was going to suggest that we go with his recommendation. And this was within what we planned, right? We we planned

it prices exactly what we used it uh well, it's actually a penny less than what we used in the the budget the money I sent over was put in the Okay. in for telecommunications is what it was under. Yeah, I think it was uh in there there is 3391

and his price is 3390.99. penny. That was my motion to go with the chief suggestion. I'll second. Any discussion? All in favor? Motion carries. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. And the other item I had was that and I pass that around separately. Was just a short sheet. The request for proposals for the um work at the trim work and the painting at the station. Uh, I put down a, uh, the original proposal included a little bit of painting inside. Um, but out of concern, I I I separated anything that was inside painting and put them in as options just in case numbers come in too high so that we don't have to do it all over again. U, I think I covered everything. The only thing I'm not sure on is I have them coming here and it's May 31st, but that it gives if I get it up there by say Thursday, it'll get it advertised by Thursday. I won't get it in the Tritown newspaper this time around, but I can probably get it in there for the next

time. I figure the town tritown newspaper, the town channel and department website, the town website that um probably So this is a local flavor at first at least. So, this is not taking in uh doing the floor project. That's going to be something separate.

No, that's something separate. I actually Yeah, I don't know if I really need to go out for quotes again. I need to meet with the I have three. Uh some include floor the flooring piece of it. Some of it include the concrete piece of it. I mean, some are just concrete, some are just floor. One or two do both. So, I've got to sit down and review the proposals all over again um and see where we're at cuz I the camera part of it's not an issue, but this painting part, especially if we do the option for the meeting room, um

I don't want to paint and then have Jack hammer up the the floor in there. Yeah. So, any any objection to the uh proposal? All right, go for it. Thank you. I will get it advertised. They may they may call you composite ASAC, but that's okay. It's some of it is plastic, some of it's different, but you got it covered. You're in there.

Okay. Yeah. Throw that out there differently to you. But you're all set. Yeah. I I I guess I didn't want to tell people. I tried to I tried to tell them what I wanted without being too specific because I don't want to tell them how to do their job. I want them to tell me what they're planning.

I mean, they'll they know that's that's what that is. That's And you know, to be truthful, you could paint that stuff if you really wanted it. It comes white generally. You're talking about the trim composite. Yeah, it comes white anyways, but you can paint it. They have paint for plastic and composits and all that stuff. So,

didn't use it though. You did notice it. I called I did. That's what I said. Composite in there. Well, I said somebody might say, "Well, I'm going to use ASA. Is that all right?" Yeah, that's a safe. Yeah. Um, the other thing I had was that the uh 402 training, I know we talked at your last meeting some about it. Then after I got done, I got thinking about it and I know, yeah, I don't know if I was supposed to register you guys if you're going to do it independently. And so I just wanted to throw that back out there. Do you want me to register you or are you going to register yourselves if you can make it?

That was the I got down here the 26. Right. I'm happy to register myself. I didn't get that email though. I checked my email board. I was thinking about it the other day. I can Yeah, the Yeah, the 26. We talked about it at your last meeting.

Yeah. Right. Right. Absolutely. Because this is actually a cut and paste from my last report, right? Oh, no. We talked about it and you I just don't have her email address. Oh, all right. I will forward it. Thank you. And the 26th is the I do think the 26th is the one you guys talked about, the evening one. Yeah, that's the one that I said that I I can make.

I just didn't know where we left it. If I was supposed to notify her that it'd be probably be ex from Durham or Yeah, I would. Yeah, I don't I don't know who to notify. And I do need to take care of that. Yeah. And just tell me exactly where this is at. I know you told me, but if you want, what I can do is I'll take care of that. I'll actually send Ruth or Jeff an email with the exact address

and everything in it so that you can punch it in your phone or whatever your Really? Have you ever seen my phone? Only thing that's punched in that is somebody's phone number. All right. You can look at the main map guide now.

Yeah. Yeah. I have an old flip phone. I don't have all that fancy stuff. So, if you send It's an old street in Lewon. So if you get old street out your Yeah. No, not that's not the name of it. It's an older street in Leon. So if you get out your Del Long Atlas and it here, I know it will be listed in there. Okay.

If you're not using your phone, you don't use GPS. That must be what you use. I'm using an oldfashioned map and you tell me where to go. I will get you the exact street address. Oh yeah. So should I tell a couple? Tell her a couple. Um,

I was just checking what my day was. What the 24th? You can go to it, but it's not going to satisfy what they say. You decide to go on the 24th. Your stuff easier to do. You can go, but your stuff is easier. It's online, I think, off the top of my head. Did I put it in the report? Cuz I'm not going to and I didn't bring that folder.

You put it in last time, but yours I think is actually the the 100 and the 800 and maybe the 200 which are all online classes. You just go to the FEMA website and do those. This one here, they don't have an electronic version. You have to go set to two hours.

I'll do the online one. I won't do it. You get that address to Ruth. My wife's updated our computer, but I haven't gone and tried it yet, so I don't know. And two for class. I don't know if I'm back on track for saving 600 more or not, but

it's a two for class email address and I'll email you a link to the website with with what uh Yep. Okay. Um said something about the parking was parking is tough up there. So the parking lot across the street, it's under Central Station and Lewon Central Fire Station. So you can cruise that they will this time of year you can park on the back side street so it's not quite as bad. So depending on attendance you might be able to find parking there. Um but if you can't find find parking there you got to go back down a couple of streets but you can park in that parking lot with a parking garage right across the street and they don't charge

isn't after a certain time central stations on bait street and then here's the parking garage. I think it's Bates and Oak or College or something. College Street is to College Street is the address of the place and it's right on the corner. The entrance is actually on the left hand side as you face it, which I believe is the College Street side, but I'm not positive. So,

the bus station across the street, you can't miss it. And you can't just crank the door open and go down it. You got to there's a buzzer there. You have to push the buzzer and they allow you in. and all all the and as far as if you're not going to be able to do training and so on in the waiver that just basically says that um I I'm not I haven't taken the classes and I understand that I can't be part of

Yeah. Yeah. I think you provided that in your packet last time or well I don't think it had the waiver. I didn't put the waiver in there but yeah it really says right now I don't have time or whatever. For whatever reason, I don't want to take the classes right now. So, I'm just waving any responsibility during one of those events and stuff. I guess it's probably not a bad thing to do. If

I take this class, someone has to be responsible. Yeah. Maybe I want to do the wa. That's right. Okay. Um last time too. It we had the cleanup. The cleanup went pretty good. We had about 15 members showed up and I think everybody had a good time. Um the garden we got the garden squid around out front. We did a bunch of washing on the walls inside and stuff as well as we got through one of the apparatus. But recruitment's not going very good. We had it posted advertised and I got Yeah. I had one person to show up, but they showed up because they wanted to check out the ladder truck and the model A. Yeah, I tried I tried diligently, but it didn't work. So, I don't know what the answer in the end is going to be. We'll keep plugging away at it. We got some a lot of work to do and with the structure in the organization. That's part of my report there from

like a lot of volunteer fire stationations like this having that same problem. It's getting worse. It's getting bad quick. It's a ton. It's a ton of time that you have to put in for very really very little benefit. Yeah. And it's not just that though really. I mean you look at your committees and stuff that you try to do stuff. People just don't step up and want to volunteer or be part of their community. And even when they do because of the financial restrictions, their job commitments and stuff a lot of times they can't. So

yeah. So I think anything that relies on volunteers is really struggling right now. But then we compound it and say, "Well, hey, we got to have you do the same thing that a full-time person does, which is right. It's in their best interest and their safety that they're going to be exposed to the same thing that somebody doing a career would be. The other side of our case is where it's at. Most of the guys that do it want to do it, not guys, most of the people that do it want to do it periodically, but they don't want it to become a second full-time job. But it uh I think you guys heard the sirens a minute ago, but that was the second call tonight. We're at run number that was run number 152 or 153 so far this year at uh so approaching you don't really think about it when you but when you start to approach that 365 that's one a day it averaged out. It's not always that way and some of them are little calls. Some

of them are you know whenever we do a transport that's two hours they're tied up. So we'll keep working on it. We'll work on the inside stuff. We'll get that squid around. I'll keep plugging away trying to find some volunteers and and if we don't get that squid around, I guess we'll have to go to the drawing board and figure out what we are going to do to what we want, what we're going to do.

give you a heads up that we'll be tying up the traffic. I think tomorrow's supposed to be a good day. We have a this is EMS week. So we have the grades 5 through 8 come over for visits during the day during EMS week. Cool.

Okay, that was it. Anything else? No, thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Administrator. Um I had all my stuff addressed already. Thank you. Uh, road commissioners. Oh, I got it. Get one more. Get the jaw seed. Give him something to eat. That's gone.

like much after all the work that went into it. It does. That's all. I guess just there's a lot more work going into it than what it appears appears on a page. But what you were reading. That's okay. I didn't mean to skip you.

in because it was too complicated. There's parts of that they're going to be ground up at the end and so it really didn't fit into the formula. So, but basically that's a uh 3/4 shim and inch and a half overlay. In the end of the road, the last 600 ft are too far gone for a shim and overlay. So, we got to grind it up, add reclaim and redo it.

um towards Panel or towards Auburn side? We went last year to Bowie Hill. I mean uh to Stackpole. Mhm. So this would complete from Stackpole all the way to the Panel town line. So okay, that road in its entirety would be chip sealed would be finished. Okay, that's good cuz I I knew we'd uh actually done uh paving on the other end four years ago or something. We we' done a fair amount and I I didn't I was hoping we weren't having to do that redo that,

right? And which section how much of Davis Road does this reflect? That's just the one mile piece, the new the new pavement piece that's breaking apart. Yeah. Yeah. So, that has to get that has to get done. That that's a given. which I'm guaranteed we'll get a lot of questions on why are we doing that? That was just done

in ' 09, I think. Yeah. And we did we did more work in like 11 or 12 and Yeah, I've looked at the records. I see the money that went into that. A lot of money went into that. Is that just a a that was the under an underlying engineering bad base, bad product,

bad pavement, just there there was a lot of things that um were happening at that time including uh changing of specs in the middle of in the middle of the project. Uh it the road was originally I believe a 20ft pavement road and in in the middle of the project they decided to go 22 ft which uh made the de ditches steeper than they were supposed to be.

Um there was an awful lot of issues that went on on that. Um did the contractor have any responsibility or or any Well, that's that's a long story as well. Um it's we don't I just it we've done it and we've spent a lot of money on it and it's one of the few roads we've spent any money on in the last 10 years.

Um it was that was a as many years were that was a transition year. Um after 20 years of the same road commissioner that year a new road commissioner was voted in. Uh it was the only year he was road commissioner and there was a lot of um selectmen uh involvement in the project being on site directing what was going on from what I understand and I I don't

we don't have to get into all that. I just was curious mostly about which section because the far end of Davis the the runaround pond end is it's horrible. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's it's going to need a lot more than this to do it.

Yeah. Yeah. So, hopefully next year. Working on that plan already. But, uh so that's this plan gets us uh pretty close to that four mile mark, which is what I'm shooting for. That gets us to 3 88. Yeah. Between between that and then the rebuilds, we're doing about 3.5 miles. That's

3.8 3. Yeah. That's so that's about seven or eight seven or eight miles this year. So that's getting us moving in the right direction. Well, after not doing nothing for almost ever. Yeah. You got to start somewhere. Ain't going to all ain't going to get it all done next year. Ain't going to get it all done probably the next 5 years. It looks like the roads were just paved and left and just no maintenance, no overlays, no shims, no nothing. So this is what you get. 25

years later, they're all falling apart. Davis Road's premature, but there's some issues there with that. Do you think that this will set it up for a decent length of time doing this then? Yeah, this is our best bang for a buck right here. This we're using a lot of pavement in the shim, but we're using it regardless of how we're using it, but by using it in the shim, we're getting a lot more surface treatment done. So, let's stretch that.

Then I have the the vacation schedule for the summit. Uh Scott still has a couple of days to put in here, but as you will see, the only day I have two people out is on August 4th. can do something else. So there's day after tomorrow we're going to be preparing for the bulky waste day. So we won't be doing any work out in the field. We're going to be setting the garage up and getting everything ready to go. Are they bringing trucks down earlier or they just going to bring them down Saturday morning early?

I'm not sure. I not that it matters. I distribute they have three or four there last year. I wasn't there. They had quite a number of It was like the week before I started. So one in every bay, I think. I think there were four.

Yeah, I don't think there was. Yeah, I've met with the company and we've laid out I had the guys draw out a diagram of how it's going to go this year to run better and they all agreed that that should work. So are we I didn't do anything.

I think it went too too bad last year actually. Of course, I have it over there, so it can only get better. We found out the areas that didn't work well, and we've addressed those. So, we got to do anything as far as kind of direct, you know, directing. I know last year it was the the line along 136 um

was actually causing some issues with traffic and maybe pushing the push, you know, coning it. So, pushing the center line over or something to give a little more room. Yeah. Well, one of the things we've worked on is uh we're going to have somebody from the crew uh

moving people through. So hopefully you don't get the same buildup, right? It's not a little bit less chatting. Well, it's just it's not the place to be. I know people like to get together and see each other, but what happens is the guy behind you ends up waiting and we just got to move people through.

They work, you know, as they keep pulling in. Next one crowds out just a little bit cuz they want to see what's going on. Next one's so we'll try to keep a tighter rain on that this year. Yeah. Sometimes that that line gets to be 50 60 75 cars long or more. It's pain in the butt, but you know.

Well, I appreciate that you and the crew sat down and did this so that that we can really start kind of looking at how the summer's going to actually helpful to see it anyway. So just the visual of seeing it all laid out is it's helpful so that they all know if I take this day off the whole crew is going to pay. So I probably better not better not call out sick that day because we already got two people. We already got somebody else out or I mean it's probably helpful for everybody to see how they contribution impacts others in the

such a small crew. Yeah. So this uh I just soon have you not mention any numbers. I'll pass these around. Oh, uh the quotes on the uh I might be short on copies on that. Yeah, we have that. This is the original. Company on the lining of that 12-in cover. Then it dawned on me afterwards. I thought we had discussed the other thought we had discussed the other

extra one. Thank you. Yep. There's no reason I need one. I was thinking we had already discussed the quote um for the price ahead replacement for replace it and we hadn't discussed we discussed it but we discussed we discussed discussing it but we didn't actually I didn't actually pass those around so I I have that here but I just forgot to make copies of it but we're within we're within uh

u that's I think $2,000 more. approaches to it. One would be to line it. The other would be to to remove, replace. Yep. Yeah. So, actually, we're talking uh $2,600 difference. Um this is $2,600 more to do this. The what I like about this is that I don't have to dig up the road. I don't have to worry about 12 ft of material settling. Um, it's not really 2,600. I take that back cuz with the with the replacing it,

I have still have to buy the culvert. So, that's probably around $1,000 right there. So, so it's really $1,600 difference. And I don't have to disrupt the road. I don't have to close the road. I don't have to take up the road for $1,600. I think uh I'm I'm still um

looking at the uh numbers. This is a lining. It gives us 127% of its current volume. So you get more water flow with a lining. It's not a lining. It's um what they call it uh they put u it's it's a secure in place. Yeah, that's what it's called. Well, it's not like sticking another pipe in. That's really a lining. And then they put grout around that. This is actually uh

it's not like climbing a chimney. No. Put the boot in, they pop it. Yeah. No, no. This is a actual soft material that goes in and then once they put an ultraviolet light through there, it it forms to the it's to the structure around it and then u

kind of like what they do when you do your teeth. Yeah. Yeah. They put that they put that light in there and then it hardens up once you Right. Now you could take it and it's pliable and as soon as they put that light on there. It's pretty cool stuff. I uh sorry

would be less disruptive. Yeah. Replace it. You got to close the road and then you have the settlement and the compaction issues. And what's the life expectancy compared to a new culvert on something like this? According to these guys, it's indestructible. It's last forever. But u

it will is it like the oneline roofing that was guaranteed forever that went out? These guys are doing this in every town, every state. They're putting this stuff in the ground in every city. Yeah. So I'm telling you with Structal, I mean they they're backing it up quite a bit.

Yeah. Um so I'm just still kind of looking at that. Okay. So So you don't have a recommendation yet. No, I've I've I've still looking at that that that 127% and doing a little math on that and making sure that that all works. And so and and and

um I did because it actually takes the ribs out. So that's why the flow is actually better. Yep. It actually uh sometimes they have a problem with flow uh the speed that those ribs slow the water. Sometimes they have to actually add um they have to add turbulence. They have to add bars and it create turbulence to slow the water down.

Right. Yeah. Or sometimes they cause problems at the discharge. They the velocity blows out the ground. They have to do some extra stone and stuff. So, it's pretty knowledgeable on song. It's it's it's actually it's impressive

to think that you get more out of it, but today's technology if I only had a different phone. You could look it up if you had a different phone, right? Uh so, there's that. There's that. Um the Let's just pass these around. So, I got all kinds of stuff. [Applause]

flaggers. I did find um company in Lewon for $18 an hour. That's I couldn't get most of them to call me back. back and the one I did get was $25 an hour. So, uh, I got this one at 18. So, they started on, uh, started on Monday.

And so, I'm just basically have them on a day-to-day basis at this point, but uh, yeah, you always have the same ones or whoever they send. You never know. Today, all we've had the same one so far, but you never know. I'm

sure they ain't falling asleep. That one guy looked like he was falling asleep by. Did he? I don't know if he did, but he he looked like he was going to. Yeah. Well, I was I I've heard some comments about that already today. So, I' I've actually already talked to the owner of the company and so I was interesting that you saw it too. So,

yeah. Well, I didn't see it because I was running back and forth and I heard about it. Could have been just not feeling well or something. They know they know your truck when it's coming. Yeah, maybe that's says, "Well, thank he says, "Welcome to the world of flagging if you It's not like you're going to get the

It's got to be just incredible." Well, that's what he said. He He said, "I'd rather you punch me in the head right now and I'll go home." He said, "If I had I can go home." He said, "I can go home and be miserable. I don't need to stand here."

Yeah. I can't imagine that much, especially in the heat, man. I couldn't do it. I don't I don't do good in the heat. So, yeah. It's not a job most people want. So, roofing, but just about. Yeah. So, I got the copy the back.

insurance and stuff and I got to get that all to uh to pay him because they'll want to get paid. They'll they they work for Freeport. They do Freeport's flagging. They do crooked flag. They do some of Crooked Flagging. And so, I stole them off.

I said, "Hey, who do you work for?" He said, "I own the company." Oh, good. How much? So, uh, so I'm sure they're going to want to submit a bid for I mean a bill for next time around. So, we have their W9 and stuff. So, hopefully that helps us with the workers comp issue next time around that that's less impact for us because we they pay all that. So, um, so I guess that's, uh, I I should say I did get another price. Actually, I should have given you a copy of that, too. For some reason, I thought we'd already discussed this, but

you did. You mentioned something about it last time. There was another price for another price for the uh Yeah, it's it's it's double. Yeah. Yeah. He was more than No, it's triple. I triple. I believe he mentioned that last time.

Yeah. It's three times the other one. So obviously we're not going to go with that one. So So um so well that that's that's uh let me look at the report. Uh I got to do if I can find my report. So, we did the shoulders on phase one of uh Sand Hill. Somehow it never got done. So, we had to go do that and this edges of the pavement were breaking off. I don't know. I don't know what happened, but it was something that we could spend $1,000 now or we spend 20,000 later. So, we had to get on it and go do it. Um

I got 20 bags of grass seed from Alen Sterling and Lothrop. saved about 50% from what we've been paying, but I had to use two times together to get you had to buy 20 back. So 10 pound old 10 to when I get the bill, we'll split it and either one of one of us will pay it and then the other one will get reimbured and one will bill the other one. But uh we save quite a bit of money by buying that uh in bulk. Um, uh, Barry Baldwin, I need the trees are in our way. So, that was $1,600 for for Rabbit Road. So, I just said do it. Got to get it done. He's starting in Pel. He said if he does pun uh Lawrence Road and does run around and rabbit that he would knock some he would give us better prices which which I

guess I put that on here so you can see what that that second number he's got there. Is that second number is the better price or if that's the better price. Okay. I mean, that's if he does all three of them, but you know, I I already told him to go ahead with that first one because it was we just got to have it done. So, um he's um I really need that

second number. And really what I need is about I I'd like to have is like $10,000 to put towards tree work on that job cuz I know this other trees are going to come up. and you get there and you start ditching and then you realize I need you end up with another tree like we talked about earlier tonight and then just take it you you you try to work around them but I know there's already some big ones that

see some signs on some trees up there I saw the sign yeah save my tree there's two trees there that need to come down you see that up there I didn't see that now but let's go check it out yeah so which road rabbit road rabbit road

yeah this big fluorescent banners and Oh, yeah. phone numbers. My phone number, the town office phone number. You got to go. I will check. Oh, yeah. They're right in the ditch. They're right in the ditch line. And and and I mean, that's not even close. The line, the stone walls way back there.

Yeah. And and their house is way back in the woods so far. You can't even hardly see it from the road. So, it's not like two trees around somebody's lawn. It's it's it's woods. It's a couple trees in front of a dense densely wooded area. So you can ride by and look at it and see what you I told her we wouldn't

town right away. I told her I wouldn't touch them until I said we'll ditch around them until at some point we'll discuss it. So let's let the board discuss it. See what they want to do. So this this first price right here you feel already go do it.

If he does these other two that's actually included in this. So it'll be this second price not including the first price. Well it'll be the total of those two. Okay. Well that's what I was wondering. Yeah. Total of the second one and the first one.

Yep. Okay. That's what I And then he's doing the Lawrence Road and Panel for for for he 2,800. It was going to be 3,200. But he said if I can get all three of them. So I said, "Well, he's going to have to wait for an answer on that until tonight because I couldn't give him."

is he the only one that does all this? He's the only one around that I know of that could get it done this quickly and that that we've used pretty much on all the panels work. He's done everything in panel and I think he's um I think Sean used him as well.

He's done a lot of Sean told me he's the only one he's ever used here. So just I really don't see anybody else doing it for that price. But he he always does it. That's just Well, not like he's Lucas Tree out there with all that. He's out there with a flag himself and

little overhead. Yeah, little overhead. That's what you got. So, okay. Wow. Sounds good. Yeah. Then Yeah, it's good. For our policy, we need a motion on Did Did this need approval of the whole board or was this something that uh

I just like to get approval? I was thinking the selectman and the administrator or the department head was okay for this coming out of that 1.1 anyway. Anything anything over five would be it's just nice that it's all moving forward and it's

it's coming out of that 1.1 right it's all coming out of there ain't like we got to come up with this one so you know and so you know the flagging also Yep. that's going to come out of that if we have them for four months you're talking $25,000.

Okay. So, I from what I could tell the board is okay with that. Okay. All right. So, the new truck is ordered and I'll keep you posted on the status of that. Um, working on the RFP for the roof still. I talked to New Glouester today. They have done one and I probably have an email waiting for me uh with what they came up with for specs and they have a preferred bidder list which they put together. Not sure how that works. We have we ever done that preferred bitter list.

No, I don't believe we've done that before, but I understand it. I don't understand. I I understand what it is. But basically, you shortlist people. Really? And to me, that sounds like a recipe for for Well, it's it's I I know it's done more at the state level to expedite um processes. They they pre-qualify people and that

Well, they I guess they did that. So, if they did it and he's going to send it to me and then looks like if I can see that they I don't know. I'm not sure how that would work. I guess we just put it out to bid. But but uh once I get those specs, I'll give them to Ruth and she can put um that on the website. And the way theirs worked is just call the town office for the specs. They just advertised that it was a job out there and we'd keep the specs and

pl you're pling asphalt again, right? That's Yeah, I I would think it just replaced what's um so there's that. Am I forgetting anything? Okay, so Oh, this this here tools for the shop for the garage. If I'm not mistaken, there's 6,500 or so.

The bond? Yeah. Yeah. We still have money left. Um and I just, you know, was thinking, uh, this is something that I'd like to have. It's um $3,900 so that we can change all the tires on one tons and pickups um from winter, from winter to summer tires and back and forth. that

what what would it cost you to go out and I mean on a year or by yearly basis and do this? Well, it's the inconvenience of losing the vehicle and then you lose a man with it and then you lose sometimes you lose two cuz you're going to have two go cuz one's got to bring the other one back cuz it's going to stay and it's nice to be able to do our own.

This is a changer and a balancer. Yeah. Two separate machines. This is the cost for both of them. Yeah. The lesser of the two prices. Yep. The list price is 78 cuz they tell you that. But yeah. Damn. You buy parts for your car. That's Yeah.

They inflate it. So it looks like you're getting a deal. I don't Do you think you'd lose less time having one of your one of your men doing this then you would have lost sending them? Oh yeah. They take him minutes to do it this way or

Uh I had Scott research it and this is what he came back with that he wanted. So I said, "Well, just go research and figure out which the best deal is." And this is what he came back with for the best deal. Okay. Everything else was significantly more. This comes from Napa. So you can kind of

can I mean I would expect that he would have looked at those specs, but can we verify that? that it will work with he said it would do everything except for the big the big truck. So except for the big the wheelers. Okay.

Right. So I mean yeah it'll do it'll do that. So I mean I I did ask him that. So he said it'll do everything we want to do. So cuz I asked him if we do the big ones and he said he said no. I said why not? He said he said unless you want

we do the big ones or we have somebody else do them. We have somebody else do those. Right. Because you got to put them in the cage. Yeah. Yeah. So there's no splitting ball and all that stuff out there then. What what how many vehicles do would this cover then? Three.

Yeah. So this is basically a long beyond my knowledge base that I I think I think the savings is there. I just think with something like this it might take it It take a little long to get it, but it will save and then you'll actually really save in the end.

Three vehicles. I mean, twice a year you're going to I mean, you've got to plan at least a twohour round trip on it. You lose you lose a good part of a day. You lose a day per two hours per vehicle at least. Yeah. And and that that's just to drive and drive back.

Got to take two vehicles. You know, it's it's bad enough when we have to go to Augusta, the Okconor to take two vehicles, one's going to fall, the other one, drop it off, come back, and then then you got to go back again.

You go to Augusta. So, that's Yeah, that's Yeah. Okay. Well, we do to get it serviced cuz that's where we bought them and that's the dealership. So, if you feel that that is I mean, as far as I'm concerned, if you feel that's the best best way to spend what we do have left on the on the bond. Well, that still leaves some more in there, too. Anyways, don't I do

We have um 6393. So, that would leave 2400 or so. We did just buy a transmission jack cuz we lost a transmission and we lost a clutch or throw out Baron in one of the trucks and we had no jack. So, we bought one. I think that was $4 or $500, but I'd like to put that on there, too. But, I mean, I couldn't I couldn't believe the shop didn't have one. So,

right, we were like, "How are we going to get that transmission out of there?" I have no idea. So, we had to go. I just said, "Well, get one cuz we got to we got to have it." Yeah. That can go on that that same thing. Yeah.

Yeah. I could I could bring it. We're all set with welder and plasma cutter and Yep. Yep. So, we don't we don't do we don't do much as far as aluminum. Anything we use doing welding right now, it's all steel. Yep. I don't So that it

anything for Yeah. the schedule for crook. Are we on a schedule yet? Well, we're still working on grinding and paving. Still working on the schedule. Talk to him every day and I know Lisbon's July July 17th. They're rolling in over there.

Yeah. Well, um, he's going to get me the signed paperwork and he's I mean, they've started in tunnel already on Fit Road and started doing overlays, but we got to be ahead of them in the in the ditching and Calbert crossings, right?

Yep. So, so that'll I don't think they're they haven't had their town meeting yet, so I don't think their big project has been Yeah. I'm just saying being ahead of you got to be ahead of Krooker. We got to be ahead of Croo when Cooker rolls in here as well.

Well, Crooker's already been down and painted everything. and they're putting out their stakes and so um so we're going to switch over and go back to replacing pipes uh cross cross culverts and then try to ditch off the off the base. They're going to put the base down and we're going to ditch off that so that um I'm hoping and that we can uh

not have to go back through and do our inslope work that we can as we're ditching we can pull that material up to the new road height. You pick the road up 8 in and then you have your ditch all done to to this grade. Now you're picking up 8 inches. You've got this you've got this L-shaped piece. So if we then you got to go back through and you've got to fill that all in and rake and seed and that's inslope work. Whereas if we can get that on and then ditch, we can pull that up to our new elevation, smear it back with a bucket and be done and just go all the way through. Not have to go back and not have to go back and do that. taking it out of the machine, out of the back of the truck with a bucket and setting it in one following an excavator with a truck all the way down through.

We could do all that in one shot. So, so we're going to switch over and go to changing cross covers. Um, one of them is uh particularly challenging. I've got to do we've got to do a coffer dam. The first two on there off 136. You'll see that all the pipes on that route are HTP plastic except for those two. And the reason is because they didn't want to build that dam in the pond and keep it pumped and replace the pipe and then take it out. Let the water come back. You have to divert the water into the other pipe and they didn't want to deal with all that. So, uh that's why those are the only two that are still metal. They pave it over. So, we're not dealing with that. So, so I've got to go get some uh bags and uh a Terrace sells some that you can set in with a machine, put the sand in them, you just set them in place and where we can use the we can fill them by hand and use sandbags and I haven't but I'm still

working on that. I also got one more. Uh all the guys been trained on how to handle the public and the taxpayers on when they ask questions to them. I mean, they all know what the knowledge what to say to them. wake them up, get a question asked.

Well, they should just and I'll throw I'll throw something out that happened to me and that's why I'm not really not pleased about it. Um, gentleman come up to me. He says, "Mike, I need to talk to you about my culvert." And I said, "Well, that's public works department." He says, "Well, that's the thing." He says, "They are fed filling potholes in front of my place." I went out and asked them when my culver's going to get replaced cuz I've mentioned it to for two years now. And they told me to talk to Mike. And I said, they go, "Mike who?" He says, "Mike Stewart, the town guy, said, "You ask him when your cover's gonna get gun."

Does he know who that was? He sure does. And I'll mention it to his name after off camera. Yeah, that'd be nice to know. And uh so he says, "That's why I'm coming to you. I guess I got to talk to you on my cover because that's what the town people. That's what the town crew's telling me."

And nobody should be talking to the public like that. So, okay, I'll mention to you as soon as we get off camera. And actually, they whenever the public comes to be better off, they should refer them to either Ron or you.

They should come right to me. That's our town guys telling them that. That's me. That's what I'm saying. That's what they should. Very interesting. All right. Okay. So, that's all I've got. Any other questions? All right. Thank you.

meetings will be held here at the town office on Tuesday, May 31st at 6:30 p.m. and Tuesday, June 14th at 6:30 p.m. Bulky Waste Day will be held at the Durham Public Works on Saturday, May 21st, 2016 from 9:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m. Uh, they are asking that you separate your bulky waste before coming there to make the process go smoother.

Is there a list what people can and can't take on the on the website? I believe so. And uh yeah, there's one out front, too. Yeah. Uh RSU5 budget meeting will be held at the Durham Community School on Wednesday, May 25th, 2016, beginning at 6:00 p.m.

Be there. They told us 6:30. 6:30. Okay. 6. Okay. Beginning at 6:30 p.m. 600. Sorry. I mean 6. Yeah. If you're there at 600, that's great. Uh actually, if you can show up a bit early to get signed in because you have to sign in.

Yeah. Get a get a vote card. Yeah. Uh, Memorial Day parade and Amvat's 5K fun run will be held Monday, May 30th, 2016. The parade begins at 10:00 a.m. and the fun run begins at 8:00 a.m. Applications are available at the town office. There will be a special joint meeting of the panel and durm selectman Tuesday, June 7th, 2016 at 6:00 p.m. here at the Durhamtown office. Anything else that needs to be mentioned? No. I'll take a motion. Make Dorson know we adjourn.

Second. All in favor? Motion carries. What do I got to sign, Ruth? What you think you get it first? Yeah.