TranscriptSelect Board Meeting ~ November 1, 2016

with him. Yeah, he he it sound like he may or may not be here tonight. Yeah, he was hunting. Okay. So, I So, if he gets a deer, he'll be here if he does. Well, he didn't want a deer, actually. He just wanted to go hunting. He didn't want to have to do the work.

basically. Yeah. Yeah. While watching. Yeah. Sounds like he wants to get written while while everybody else is out there with a gun. Yeah, probably not a good place to be. just Is it a nightmare or is it a nightmare at times?

Fine. Good to see you. You turned the furnace on yet in the shop? Yes. Last week was when I did last Wednesday, I think, is when I turned mine on. It was I had 23 this morning. Yeah, it was 27. 23 at my house. Yeah. Huh?

23 at my house. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I cheat though. I have a space heater in the room that rooms that we usually stay in. So, I just turn that on and don't have to turn on my furnace for a while. Course your electrical systems ring for that, right?

Absolutely. Yeah, grandfather. April We still have the insulated one downstairs where the freezer was there. Yeah. and one right across the street from actual I forgot what I and these are other things documentation and stuff.

Beautiful. Thanks. How are you Terry? Did you get what you needed paperwork? No. Okay. I was wondering about that where how Kevin rated it and Terry didn't. Well, that that's generally the way it works. Oh, come on. for?

I did not. Oh, yes. Pine Tree couldn't give them to you. Pine trees right there. Karen, I'm working on them. Terry, I'm the hold up on the 2013 in the uh two date. Did you miss something? I have I got 15. I was looking for 16

to date 16. Date 16. Yeah, I've seen some of them coming in. Um, they should be done by I'd say the end of the day tomorrow. Thank you for asking. So that match. Yeah. So I'm actually kind of think Oh, if you can Yeah, I should have waited for

I'm sorry. I thought it was open. Oh, it is open. Oh, you wanted me to just Yeah. I guess that is that watch. Yep. Wow. excuse me. Is there anything that you need to discuss? Really? I don't really have anything. Give us a written report and have a good night, sir.

Excuse. See you later. Wi-i. for somebody else. Oh, we don't give our We don't so much have a guest Wi-Fi at this point. We There used to be a guest one, but I don't think it's the answer in here for everybody. For everybody, but you didn't ask for everybody.

For everybody. I'll take care of it eventually here. Time catches up with me. Does Does he give us slack? They want to do it now because before everybody comes for those meetings. Anybody hear from I haven't No, I haven't either.

Did she say something at last meeting about not being here? And I can't Vote for Chase. Vote for Chase. That's right. Surprised I didn't hear something about someone in scary clowns shot over throughout the country, but Yeah. Yeah.

It wouldn't have surprised me if we Well, there's the woman in Auburn there pulled pulled her firearm on one. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She just kind of said, "Yeah, right back at you." Yeah. Right. Yeah. I guess that's smart.

Well, that that was wrong. Okay. I So, It's It's not a resident. It's not. She lives in Auburn. She I apologize. I apologize. I mean, I I mean, I wasn't going to go anywhere with it. I just Well, yeah. I did read this wrong. It's a what she calls. So, it's growing. We'll have to buy a box of those like really annoyingly bright headlight bulbs. And for everybody that sends us one of these, we'll mail them a package. Here you go.

The bad thing with those ones, I mean, I I've gotten them before and I've gotten them before and they're nice when you've got them, but they don't last very long. They they've got like a quarter of the life of regular bottles, and they cost about two or three times as much.

I don't even know what the difference in technology is. I haven't looked into it. I just know they're denying. I see them coming. I didn't see. order. We do have a quorum for the five selectmen are here. Could we please rise for the pledge of allegiance? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

select now. I have um couple here. uh 8 uh C and we're going to add a four four under that uh under the correspondence uh correspondence from Shiloh Chapel to the fire department and nine we'll add G and it's a notice of return for an RSU5 boat that we're we've got to sign. Were there any other amendments that you know of that you're aware of the notice to return and the uh correspondence from Shiloh Chapel? Yep. No, that's it. As far as I know.

All right. Public comment. Is there any more agendas? Yes. evening. Consent agenda. presented. Second. Any discussion? All in favor? Motion carries. Action and discussion items. Uh discussion of solid waste uh RFP. Um last meeting we was it

last meeting or the meeting before? Two meetings ago before we opened uh the two bids that we had for solid waste. uh one from pine tree waste uh in the amounts um first year was 22,534 second year was 26,584 and third year was 210,716 and Ty Waste Management um out of Norway

uh all three years were 187,000 each and we had we had a few questions um specifically for uh TIC waste management um uh as we're not familiar with them and uh we wanted to ask some questions. Um just a quick bit just to make sure you are aware of the timeline on this be. Um we're getting this prepared for our budget season which is coming up and we'll be making a recommendation but we won't be able to uh sign the contract or approve the contract until our meeting in April which is the first Saturday in April. what uh we the board of selectmen will re make a recommendation uh to go on the town warrant and the town will vote on it at that point. But so at this point we're kind of doing information gathering so that we can make our recommendation and we've invited members of the budget committee to be here because they are going to have to make a recommendation as well and uh we thought it would be good for

them to have the same information that we did. So, um I know we have at least four. Are you a member of the budget committee? So, we have five out of nine members of our budget committee here this evening. So, um I guess at this point um I'll

open it up if you um Mr. Ty if you want to introduce yourself and just kind of let us know um who you are and what your what your kind of plans are and so on. Uh if you can come up to this so that the microphone will pick you up. Thank you. Uh I'm Jeff Ty from Ty Waste Management. Um I've owned it for four years. Uh the business was prior to that Harris Brothers Rubbish Removal. Been in business for 22 years. Um I I inquired it um last year. We uh bought out a company in the town of Bridgton and uh transitioned that into our customer base. Um right now we're looking to grow. Uh we have an opportunity here in the town of Durham. Uh I have a great amount of um staff, office staff. Uh they're excited for this opportunity as it should, you know, it acceptance of you guys. Um I know you guys had questions about our ability to handle such a uh task. Um I've been up all hours of the night all for the last couple weeks. Um and

there's no doubt in my mind that my staff and I are more than willing and more than prepared to take on such a task. Um, I've ran the numbers. There is plenty of room. Um, I have good relationships with recycling facilities. Uh, one in Mechanic Falls actually. Um, a good relationship with Mimack. So, um, as you've seen in the letter that I got, uh, that I received from my bank that, um, upon acceptance of this contract,

um, we will be prepared to purchase the truck that you guys are requiring. Right now, my business doesn't call for it. So, it's just an unnecessary cost that, you know, I want to keep my cost down for my customers. Could I use one? Absolutely. But, we've been going strong for four years now, four and a half years. Um, it's made sense. Right now, we currently use uh Ford 350s. I have a 550 U with dump dump bodies. Um, and our

clients like that. It's better for the roads. Um, if you know it's not they're not so so big. We have a lot of clients on deadend roads, uh, camp roads, so it's been effective for them. Um, I am very interested in getting into the compacting field and, uh, being in that market. So,

how many trucks did you say you had? Right now I have six. Um four we use on a regular basis. So what do you do with recycling? Is it single stream? Um so we service 15 different towns now. So every one of them has their own requirements. Bridgton is the only one that currently has single stream. Um town of Norway, Oxford, um they all have the regular recycling where you recycle the the cardboard to the plastic. So, we, you know, we abide by what they want. Um, we also do the city of Auburn, uh, different apartment bu buildings there. Um, and it just all goes into one. So, um, yeah, I mean, we kind of adapt to what each town likes. So, right now, I mean, my plan uh for Durham is to

uh take the recyclables and actually sell them to a uh contractor in Mechanic Falls. therefore keeping the cost down. Single stream, you could do that. Um, but where you're able to separate it, um, it allows them to it's a they pay more for it. So,

um, one question I I had because I I saw this letter from Norway and that you're not going to be able to move on to this until we sign the contract, which is not going to be until early April. Um, is that enough lead time to get this compactor? Yeah, actually I just talked to Ian this evening about an hour before I was here and just to let him know what what I was doing. Um, and he's fully prepared that once you know the contract is signed um and we're ready to go. I already have a truck in mine. Um, it's a company out of Ohio. There's also one in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. So, uh, I know it's kind of like a short leeway. Um,

the way I look at it and and I and I and I understand there was there are some concerns there is that to take on unnecessary cost when I'm not I don't really need to. But um, Norway Savings Bank moves fast. They have all the stuff that they need to to uh make the decision and the trucks picked out. The money's there. We just need to know that the account's going to be there to support it.

Yes. And we've been the last couple years we've had it down at the town garage and we have a a cold storage shed out back shed. It's a building 60 by 100. And usually when we do this this day, I don't ask where the stuff comes from. I don't know cuz it shows up. Same people every year. But anyways, and we usually have six to seven packers plus a roll off and then we have an outfit that comes in helps with uh TVs and light bulbs and stuff like that and it's pretty steady all day. So, I mean those amount of trucks and I think last year, I'm not sure about the year before, but I think last year we actually swapped out one or two of those trucks possibly. I don't remember for sure because they were full. Yeah.

So, um, and they were all packers. Y, so if you only have one packer, that's one of those things. That's one of my concerns for that particular day cuz it's it's a huge day. They're lined up for half a mile down the road trying to get in. It's only open from 9 till would be at 4:00, 3:00 or 4, something like that.

So, there's a lot goes on in the course of that day. Understood. And so, I've already planned for that. So, what we would do on that kind of case, take the compounding truck. we'd have it here. And we also team up with Corkin. I u put that into my letter that I told you guys about. They have um compacted machines that we could place here and they would come and take them as well. They they also have 40 rolloff containers too. Um and you know they are right on the road from us. So they're prepared to uh team up. Um that's how I keep my cost down. I mean as I grow I am looking to buy that stuff but uh you know to take competitive and profitable it hasn't been in my business yet but I've already talked to the owner Pat and he's all set set to go upon you know the acceptance of this contract.

uh references too and uh one of the references mentioned that they had a concern of that you may be um let's see let's see if we can actually see the uh the uh concern is uh that you're you're juggling a lot and so on and he's concerned that you may may be overreached and so on and uh Just wondering if you, you know, could answer answer that. Um, how do you feel on that?

Yeah, sure. I mean, that's a concern that some people have. I mean, people look at me and they look at my company and they think it's a small little uh mom and pops, right? Um, it's taste waste management. It's not the big boys. And I understand the concerns. Um, that's one of the roadblocks that I've had to uh face and overcome. Um, and I've done that successfully. I bought the company four years ago. I've doubled the um customers. I've doubled the income. Um I bought out the company in the town of Bridton and that's been successful for over a year and a half now. Um so I understand that people think that um it's a lot. It is. I mean it's it's going to be a big account, but I wouldn't be here today if I couldn't look at all you straight in the face and say that I have no doubt my mind that my staff and myself have more than it takes to make this happen and make it successful. Um, I mean, yeah. So, I

mean, I have no doubt it is going to be uh different than what we're dealing with now, but I'm excited. My staff is is is excited. Um, and we're going to work hard day and night to make sure that it's it's a success. Yeah. And, um, understand from us, we have had um, excellent service.

Absolutely. Over uh, I don't even know how many years it's been. It's been probably a couple decades almost that we've been with uh Pine Tree Cassella and um if we if we make changes uh the expectation of the town's people is going to be is going to be high because because they've had

the bar has been set high. The bar has been set high. So um if if we do decide to go this direction there there's going to be a very high high bar to to meet. And that's why I mentioned Sigle Stream too. We used to do sorting recycling and the participation rate was not there and you know we used to do the silver bullets and I mean I think that since we've gone to single stream you see a lot more people getting involved with it. So

sure. Yeah. And we are prepared to do I mean whatever makes sense that's the most profitable for myself and that kind of kind of keep the cost down. Um there's no doubt that Pine Tree is a great company and I see them all over the place. They've been in business probably before I was alive. They know what they're doing. Um, and I respect that and I respect that. Um, they've been so successful. Um, my goal is to be in in the market and uh, have some fun with them and kind of be in that, you know, that that type of feel. I got to start somewhere. And I know uh that it's a risk that you guys are probably wondering uh, because I'm a much smaller operation, but I think the reward will show. And um I will give the same service and you guys will see that I mean my office is a bunch of local people. For instance um one of my best office people is is my mom. So she is running that office for me um along with

two other staff. Um and and it it runs smooth. They're on the phones all the time. they there's not well 12 hours before a phone call or an email comes in before that customer is taken care of. So we have a good operation. Um it's a smaller operation but it's familyowned. Um it's locally owned, you know, Norway sell Paris, but uh we're definitely prepared to make it happen.

They all for the small person. Pine Pine Tree started small. I'm sure. Yeah, these young brothers, they all started small and uh Pine Tree ain't backing off the price either towards the taxpayers. That's for sure. your trucks, and I also noticed in here that you have uh you got a mechanic on duty 24/7, which that's a good thing. I mean, I don't know if the trucks break down that much, but

no, we used to do the same thing. We used to sub out our plow. We used to go and inspect all their vehicles, make sure that they were copyrighted. That doesn't mean something wouldn't happen over the course of the plowing season or whatever, but we always tried to be proactive cuz as as Jeff said, uh the

phone will ring here every time there's a hiccup, even if it's a little one, and then we have to deal with it. So, they have to deal, we have to deal with it. So, that's one of the things, you know, that was one of my concerns was whether you had enough equipment, especially that big that big one day. Um, I think currently we only have two days in town that the trucks are here from Pine Tree and you've got three is it three days.

Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. All right. I guess I'm not on that side of town. So, I didn't see it. But anyways, so that that was one of my concerns cuz we got to make sure that no matter what decision we make, we got to make sure that we're taking care of the town. It's

Yeah. And I and I will tell you um I would love to tell you it's a perfect world and nothing would ever happen and that truck is going to work 24/7. We all know that's probably not going to happen. Um, we've faced where uh, you know, I've had guys in Bridgton and they're in the middle of a 12-h hour day and a truck breaks down. We make it work. We have other trucks that are on back, they're ready to go. Um, I have a great staff. The guy who fixes all my stuff, you're right. I mean, he doesn't fix it 24/7 or I would have been, but he's available. Right.

I spend enough money with him each year that he basically puts everything else aside and he'll travel. He'll come, he'll do whatever it takes to make my business um a success, too. So, I think you'll find a town people don't care if it gets picked up with a Volvo little pickup or it gets picked up with a great big compactor. Long as the garbage is gone by the end of the day.

Sure. I mean, long as the product is not there, they're driving when they get home, they don't care what it gets picked up with. And that's Prius. If you want to come around with that, I will tell you it's not there. When I first got started, I uh unfortunately when I first got started, I had a um truck break down last minute and I was picking up trail uh the trash with my wife's SUV and a trailer behind it. Got the job done. Wasn't the uh you know, the best thing to do, but my customers need to be picked up. So, stuff does happen. Um and we'll adapt to it. And you know, I don't care if my guys are out here till late at night. They will get the trash done and they won't stop until it does. Yep.

They've done it before. So, Budget committee? Oh, would would uh recycling and trash be picked up the same day? Yeah, what I would prefer is um I would actually have a dual truck. So, I'd have the rubbish truck out here and then the uh recycling truck following it or shortly after.

That way it stays organized. Okay. Budget committee. Kevin. Yeah. Um, I had a question on on the trucks. Can you tell me, are they open back trucks? You said they were dump trucks or dump beds. So, yeah, they're dump Yeah, the dump bodies. So, they're four 350s and 550. We also have a Dodge. Um, they are all open, but we have covers for them, too, because some town like Bridgton, they require us to uh keep them covered.

Yeah, that would be a concern I would have. And then on the under the heading of, you know, if if the recommendation is to take a chance on a newer company and to, you know, kind of try it out, are there other cont is it three-year contract or a bust or is there a a contract where we could um have some sort of an evaluation opt out at the end of a year if if you know things aren't going well? I mean, how are there different ways to structure that contract? Um I

right I mean we put the initial RFP out for three years and yeah that's what so yeah we put it out for three years that's what we got back um and I suppose we didn't word it any other way I mean that could be you I mean if if I suppose it might be a negotiation type thing that the final contract that we sign you know if we're going to go with you have that opt out or something but I'm I'm not sure. I think we'd have to run that by legal where where this was a true RFP. I don't know exactly how that

All right. And one of I don't know does a current contract have any um time stipulations in it like you you know can't you when you can start and stop collecting like times of the day and and is is this would this contract be the same like you mentioned you know guys working all through the night. you. Well, I'm not sure people want their trash being picked up out front at 9:00 at night or whatever. So,

right. I think he was just talking about in the event of a breakdown or in an emergency situ. Okay. Not a weekly or daily activity. My guys don't work all through the night, but I'm saying worst case scenario, you know, the trash is not going to be left out here. That's Yeah. So, ideally, um I believe the start time is 7, correct?

Mhm. Yeah. Um, so yeah, that's when we would start. Okay. Um, Terry, uh, getting to what Kevin said about the opt out, uh, I, in defense of this contractor, uh, if he's going to, assuming that he gets the contract, he's going to go making purchase of some serious money. Because a compactor isn't something you buy off the lot. It is an expensive piece of equipment and to opt out in a year, okay,

could bankrupt it. And and that's that's also one of the reasons I was I was going to say we'd have to run something like that through legal anyway because this was an RFP and I'm not sure how much leeway you have afterwards once you get the uh proposal in. I don't know how much leeway you have. There is always if if the service isn't there, it's a breach of the it could be the breach of a breach of contract and you could always contract in its own. So there is I mean if if the service isn't there then that's that's a wait.

Yeah. Mil question for Mr. Ty. Yes sir. I'm on the budget committee. Um so I was I certainly wasn't impressed with your um your quote but but also was surprised that you looking three years down that your price would remain the same. How did you figure that that you would have any increased expenses three years into it that price?

Yeah. So the way I based upon the last four years um the increase you know we we have seen some increase obviously with gas or tipping fees. I accounted that for like three years. Um right now a lot of the facilities just did their increase and it's typically every 3 to four years. Um, so

I'm a much smaller operation. I have a lot smaller overhead. Um, that's what I could only suggest. I have no idea. Um, I know with my cost, there is some room for the whatifs. You know, if costs do go up that I am able to absorb that, too.

Okay. Just a couple comments and really echoing what some of what the selectman said. I've been here over 30 years and I experienced the Emerson dump meeting. I experienced the silver bullet uh and then the choppiness afterwards with the having to sort and all that. And I think what we talk when we talk about a high bar, we talk about how high bar compared to much of what happened in the past. And what we have now is really a a precision. the people pick up my trash every uh Wednesday at 7 o'clock in the morning. I mean, it's amazing. They're there at 7 o'clock in the morning. Uh and and um my trash buckets aren't scattered down the road. Uh so so anyway, I mean, that's sort of what you're facing here is is a certain amount of predictability in a town that really doesn't offer very many services to its taxpayers. There are very few services that we really offer and this is one of them. and we got it down

finally. Uh it works it works very well. Uh I love startups. I've been involved in startups. What I know about startups is costs are unknown. Um capacity is unknown. You never know until you're two or three years out. And that's my major concern. It's not that I and I don't buy what you're saying because I I really do. I think you you have some experience. You have some good references. Uh but my experience with startups is hold on to your hat and really at the end of two or three years you know what you got. So

but this was a going concern when you bought it. Correct. With me right as far as like what? Sorry. Didn't you say that you started you bought out Harrison? I bought the Harris brothers. Yeah brothers. Yeah. And I mean they were 22 years into it. I bought them out. I had no idea what trash I mean I never owned a trash company. Never even thought about trash. Um my wife and I um also own LA luxury limousine. So um we've been in business for a long time. Um there and I say this in the utmost respect like I don't I won't fail. I mean that's not an option. I know there's going to be some hiccups um as far as you know we've been in business for the trash company for four and a half years. I absolutely love trash. Um it's people wonder why. I mean, it's I'm I'm in the trucks myself, so I'm up at 4:00 every morning with my guys throwing trash um five days a week, and it's just a thing that I love. It's peaceful.

You're out there in the the day. I'd much rather do that than running the Linazine company. Um understood that, you know, this is scary. It's a risk that Durham could be taking. I'm a little guy, but in the big scheme of things, um I know if this should happen, I do have some big shoes to to fill and I respect that. Um I do

have the backing and the ability to get the the uh job done and uh like I said, my guys are excited uh for this opportunity. As far as um you know, your experience, I can appreciate that. If you see some of the towns that I go into and maybe go to the neighborhoods I go into, what you'll see is that a lot of the people that choose us is because of the service that we provide, my drivers put the uh caps, the covers back on. They snap them back on the the containers are up. They're not scattered throughout the um road there. If their bag rips open, we have shovels, brooms, rakes in our trucks that we clean it up for the people that's not in the middle of the road because it's their property. Some people literally pick us because of just that little portion that it means so much to them. So

did you say you you support Bridgton? The town of Bridgton? I do. Yeah. So the Bridgton I mean Bridton is very hard. Yeah. I was going to say I mean if you meet their standards then Do you do you do you pick up for the whole town or is it

No, I don't pick up for the whole town. Um we currently have right there about 700 people. Okay. including um hospital, colleges, restaurants and residential. Any other questions from the board or from the uh just do you have any m municipalities that you do now or No,

I do not currently. Thank you very much. Um this opportunity and um I'll let if you want to just present. I mean, we we have we know who you are and so on, but if you just want to present whatever anything, you're more than welcome to.

Sure. Thank you. I'm the I'm the new guy. So, my name is uh Nate Chapman. I'm the general manager for Pine Treeway Southern Maine. Um and Karen Mcgon is obviously um my missing sales rep, which you guys all know. My only thing and I and I do want to start by saying with um you know to m about Mr. Ty I'm all about small business too because before I came to Pine Tree that's what I did. I had a landscaping business for almost 10 years. So I get the small business and I get trying to grow and I get all that type of stuff. I just want to make sure that we um are talking um or you guys are thinking apples to apples on this on this whole uh procedure that you're in the middle of right now. Um there's there's so many different facets when you're talking about doing a collection on a municipality versus what we call subscription. So you have certain amount of stops per town. Um it's a whole different animal. Um I think it's been

said here in this room, we kind of have it down to a science because we have been doing this since John Cassella did it with his brother of one truck 100 years ago. Uh now we're you know we have pretty much every municipal contract in in um southern Maine having a truck for this contract a um and I don't care if it's a new packer or not. Um trucks break down and um you

know I want I just wanted to make sure everybody thinks long and hard about you know what is the backup situation? Is there a backup truck? You're talking about two different commodities. you're talking about one single truck trying to do two commodities, not even a split body truck. What happens when that breaks down? Um, you know, um, whether it's a one, you know, whether it's a one ton, 550, whatever it is, um, that

doesn't really support what the RFP is talking about, which, um, really states that you has to be a compaction truck. It talks about compaction on route, that type of stuff. Um if you're doing this type of stuff with a um a stake body truck, you can't contain the recycling, you can't contra contain the um uh the swill from the trash. Uh D has a real issue with that. Um we spend a lot of money cuz we have a lot of trucks, but you know, we make sure all of our permitting is done. We make sure that um all our trucks have a non-hazy sticker on them. Um, what a non-hazy sticker means, by the way, is is is in order to haul non-hazardous material, different categories, but trash is one category. Um, if you're picking up six residents within a town, you've got to have that. I don't care if you're driving a a a half ton, one ton, a 550, you have to have that. If not, you're running illegally right now. Um, so, you know,

that's something to think about. Um, you can't run drivers all hours of the night. Uh, you might be able to do it with a pickup truck or a one- ton because that's a class C license. It's a whole different animal when you get into a packer truck. Uh, now you need to have a CDL driver. There's a lot of DOT regulations about that. Uh, with time off in between shifts, how many how many hours you can run on a shift. Uh, there's just a lot to do with that. Um, and I just want again I want to make sure we're talking apples to apples. And we have, you know, we have 150 drivers. cuz I get 200 trucks in my fleet that when something breaks down, um, we can get it done. We have guys that are legal to do it. We have mechanics on on duty 24/7. Um, it's a and it's no disrespect. Um, but it's a completely different animal than than doing um subscription type collection. Um,

yeah, and I I might add to what Nate is saying as well. I know a lot of the drivers and the laborers that are employed uh with Pineree, they live here in your local community. Um in my local community, we employ a lot of people because we do have many contracts. Our drivers are radio dispatched. So, we

have our main dispatch center down in Scarboro. So, if Mr. Smith calls down the street and has a problem. He sees the truck go by and maybe they miss something, he can call in and while the truck is still out there, we can radio them and he can go back and get it. We don't allow our drivers on a cell phone um at all.

It's a federal law when you're once you have a CDL license, you cannot be on a cell. You are not supposed to be on a cell phone and it is it is mandatory in the company. Um, so with that said, how do we communicate with them? All of those trucks are equipped with radio dispatch. Um, all of our drivers are drug screened. They have to be screened and, you know, they go through quite an application process before they get hired. So, kind of getting to what Nate was saying, apples and oranges versus apples and apples. Another key point, I'm dating myself, but I remember the days of your silver bullet, and I remember working with Terry and the group back then and understanding what this town struggled with. I personally would hate to see this community go backwards in your recycling program. We just built a a facility in Lewon in

conjunction with the city of Lewon where all of your material goes now to be processed. Towns are not going back to separated. They're not reversing back to separated. They're going forward with single stream. Why? Because of the volumes that you're diverting out of your waist stream. Unfortunately, Unfortunately, the commodity markets aren't what they were a couple of years ago. the markets have not been good. Um, so we're paying

at the facility per ton to p have your material processed, which is part of the reflection in your pricing. Um, we hope it gets better, but no one has a crystal ball to be able to to determine that. But I I did want to share with you, I go back quite a ways when your community struggled with the recycling and when Pine Tree stepped up to the plate. We were shipping your material down to our facility in Charles Town to have it separated and processed. Now, we're able to get it into Lewon and keep it local because there are really only two places in the state of Maine that accept a a single stream sort of all that material. So, keep in mind, bulky ridges would no longer be acceptable if you go back to separation. I'm not sure what your list of recyclables is actually going to look like. Um, do you have to go back to taking labels off of your tin cans? I I don't know. All I know is that towns I

get calls at least once a week from new communities that are interested in taking a look at the program because of its success. So, I just wanted to share my sincere years back with your community and how well you folks have done. I brag about Durham when I'm out at new communities because you folks do such a phenomenal job out here. You really do.

One question that I would have because you do have the size that you have and the number of towns and so I would anticipate that there would be some some transfer of economies of scale for a company your size versus a company Mr. Ty's size, but and we are ultimately we're responsible to the taxpayers and and he's beating you on average of almost $20,000 averaged out per year.

And so that's a hard thing for us to to justify to taxpayers because that's coming out of their pockets. And so it's given your scale, I would actually have really expected to see this go the other way because you do have volume and and

yeah, the the the thing about that is to keep in mind is um well, a couple things. So, let me touch on the commodity markets a little bit. So, the way recycling always worked was it was kind of a a neutral zero for us. Sometimes depending on what the markets were, it might cost us a buck or two to get rid of it or make a buck or two depending on how that works. So, it was cost zero. So, we've always been able to do zero sort to zero. Um now those markets have changed and they're I I don't anticipate that they're going to go back to zero ever. Um we're down to $20 a ton right now. Currently, uh was as much as $38 a ton 4 months ago. So those markets have just changed. Um as far as the economy of scale, um you know, I I I guess the only thing I can say is because we do have this experience, we do know our true costs on on these trucks.

Um and I don't care. We get brand new trucks, a few every year, too. um the the maintenance costs um especially if you if you're brand new to it is just phenomenal. Um new or not. And the the the cost of trucking goes up every year. Tires, parts, fuel down right now, which is great. Um 3 years from now, we don't, you know, we don't know where that's going to go. Um there's a real cost to running these trucks. I mean, it's it's um it's it's staggering actually at at some points. So, we understand that because we do have so many of these trucks in our fleet. We understand true costs. So, it's not about um you know, it's not it's not about that piece if that answers your your your question at all. Uh if anything, we know our our true costs um get nuts and we know what it costs to get quality CDL drivers right now that can that can um pass the random, you know, drug screens and that are going to show up every day um

because we're competing with the Shaw brothers of the world. And then this time of year we compete with the oil guys that pay 24 25 bucks. So our niche is how do we find these guys that are going to be here, you know, for four years, 8 years, 10 years from now and make careers with us. Um there there's a there's a cost to that and there's a cost to those mechanics that know how to maintain the trucks. Those trucks are so computerized right now that it's not it's not basic maintenance 101 anymore. I mean, these guys have software and laptops and it's just it's it's just phenomenal. What's in a trash truck these days? It's not old school trash anymore. So, there's a cost to that. And we also try to give these guys, you know, a raise every year. Um, so we did factor in all of those factors into our our our pricing. Um, and we, you know, we we we thought it'd be it would be competitive. It's it's tough to compete

with um, you know, somebody smaller, newer. Um, I think if you had a waste management, they bid on this in the RFP, you see pricing the same as ours, probably if not more. Um, the true trash companies that do this stuff understand these costs. Um, and that's what our price reflect and and to get the service that you guys all seem to like, you got to have that ability.

So, for by taxpayers right now, you're nailing us about $4,000 increase every year. So that's going to be the norm for now on if not more like you said if or fuel goes up after this three years you're going to be enough but right now you're going 4,000 4,000 you're adding 4,000 every year a year

is that must make we did that we did a 2% years two and three and and just to give you an idea in calendar year 2015 this town produced 270.83 tons of zero sort recycling. That is huge considering what your trash number is. When you run $20 a ton against that,

that's just over $5,400. And we were paying 28 earlier this year. 38. Oh, was it? Yeah, 38. So, it's it's it's coming down a little bit, but I just ran the $20 on that for 2015 and we were paying more last year and you know, we that's something we had to absorb.

The numbers you guys got to deal with on on your tag weights and everything. I understand that. I just got to tell my taxpayers. Oh, I understand. It's going to be $4,000 a year if we go with you guys every year. I mean, and then even if it goes into another three years, this looks like it's just going to keep on climbing. This ain't going to tell off at all.

You know what I mean? It's just Well, that's not true either because um you know there Well, you said you just get new equipment and that costs money and your guys cost money and you just said that fuel is going to go up. So, that probably going to cost money. So, I don't see you ever plateauing off and not raising us tax and make us pay more. Well, there's actually different ways there's different ways to do trash collection, too. Um,

so now the the thing that's coming down the pike and it's coming down very very fast for municipalities is is um food waste. Yep. So, pulling the pulling your food waste out of the trash, which you're paying I don't even what you're paying um 70 bucks call it for disposal on trash.

So, now when you you start to pull the food waste out, right? There's a way that's like when recycling first came, right? Food waste is where recycling was 8 n years ago. Mhm. is coming fast and furious. You guys are primed to go to an automated system.

So now we're talking about taking um uh the truck down to an automated system. You get two cars per resident. Um what we typically find with this Cadillac program. Residents love it because it's easy. It's a car program. Um we can save

money because of the efficiencies of the truck. Pass that along. Um, and then you can, if you really want to get crazy, you can look at doing a third tower if this thing really kicks in. Same truck come down the same road. That's it has three compartments in it. That's, you know, we have the ability to to do that. Um, all kinds of savings there. Big upfront cost.

You know, you're talking about two cars, three cars per home. Trucks are more expensive, all that type of stuff. But when we run the numbers, um, usually it's a little more or break even, um, with a longer term contract cuz we can depreciate. We can we can buy those cars, depreciate them over a 10-year contract. Also, the numbers start to make sense,

right? So, there's different ways to to collect trash um, which which can can bring savings in, but yeah, I mean, we can't stop fuel. Fuels fuel, you know, tires are tires. We have no control over that. And like I said, we can only go on the pitch of the three. what you gave us for three years here.

Yeah. And it's an $8,000 increase from year one to year three. And Terry, you have a question. Yeah. What is the percentage increase from this contract to the last contract? Year one first year for the last three years as opposed to

this three years. So year year three of this last the one we're on right now to to year one of this one basically is what you're asking. It's a it's a 2% it's like 13,000. What? Right. No no that was the difference. Yeah. Uh no it's like the the money difference is 15 three or I did it.

Yeah cuz I was thinking it was like 192 or 193 or something like that. What the price was? Okay. I can tell you I do have that. Let's see. Um because I I know you actually at the beginning of the last year's contract or the last contract you dropped the price um from the time before and then you started increasing but I believe this is the increase from year three of this to year one of the next one is a pretty pretty steep increase if I

yeah okay right now you're at 198 and some change and year one is 2025. So that's actually about 4%. A little a little more than 4%. sorry. No, that's fine. Yeah, 2%. Like I said, I have some questions on what the gentleman there is just discussing on this uh bucket pickup thing or whatever it is. Mhm.

Uh first of all, I I want to go back and I want to look at I didn't get this year's figures for some reason, but uh the trash tag sales in 2015 was 15,586 assuming these are tons 500 167.71 tons. Is that correct? That's correct, Terry.

Okay. What I'm concerned about is, and I'll tell you my reasoning here in a minute, as to date, we've only brought in $11,484 for trash tags, which is a $4,000 decrease. No, it's not. We're only 10 We're only 10 months through the year. You've got I'll I'll tell you I'll I'll calculate it out so that we can have a a better figure. It's

And the other thing, Terry, is you'll find that most of our sales are at the end of the year because this is now used up all their free tags at that point. Well, that that's the reason that I was asking for the tonnage so I could compare the tonnage with a fraction.

Now, that being said, okay, is with this u new system that you that Hindere is proposing with the buckets. Uh does the driver get out of the truck? No. How does he take the tag off the buckets? How does he make sure that this is a 30 lb bag and not a 60 lb container? Because we have a tag system in this town

which Karen knows when when we had the solid waste committee and that was decades ago, right? All right. And we implemented this system was to encourage and if you want to use another word force more recycling. Okay. and it has worked phenomenal.

But now you're proposing a lift truck that the driver never gets out of the truck. He's not going to remove the trash tag. He's not going to know what this bucket's going to weigh. And it's a 30 lb limit. And if it was 35 or 40, who

cares? You know what I mean? But this is the reason we've done this. and I would like to know is how you're going to enforce the rules that the town voted on to make this whole system work. Yep. All right. So, a couple things. So, um I'm not really proposing that system. I'm just talking about what's out there for technology. And we do we do run those systems.

You did state that this would be a possible cost saving to the town. Possible. Yep. Okay. So, there's different ways to do it. So, we do we do the cart system with towns that have pay per bag currently. We do this in Kenny Bunk. So, one of their questions was how do we enforce that um we're still getting our bag revenue. Um so, you know, we these trucks have camera systems and we use a tagging system on our own. So, for that type of program, we've made that work for them. These these carts all have um tags in them, scanners. space where the trucks have scanners, the cars all have tags. Another way to do this type of program is a pay per lift versus um a paper stop

type deal. So you can look at, you know, a recycling tote is free to lift and a trash tote costs whatever that number is, you know, 12 bucks a week or whatever. So that that is u another way to try to force the recycling piece. Uh there's just there's so many and we we could spend and we'd be happy to come back in, but I don't think we have enough time tonight. There's so many different ways to to um tailor a program with this system that we could maybe make this work.

Do do you do you understand what I I understand what you're talking and and we had the same cons because they put this as an option on the last contract too. We had the exact same concern that if they if they want to move towards this and you know offer us some incentives to do that,

we've got to figure out a way to to keep a a system similar to what we have in place right now to to encourage you know and so I know we're aware of it and they're aware of it. Um it's not anything that's it's definitely not anything that's going to happen right away. I don't believe they've not come to us with a proposal saying here's what we can do for you and here's what it can do to your bottom line and so on because that would definitely have to be a consideration on anything because um as you as you've stated that is probably one of the main reasons that we have the recycling program that we do and that we do as well as we do.

And I would just add to that it's not just uh encouraging recycling. I think it's also a um there's a fairness element to it whereas households that produce more trash are going to incur more expense by purchasing tags whereas households that don't don't have to pay quite as much. So there's a fairness element too on top of the recycling promotion.

And just just so you know uh Terry if I if I calculated this out um at at steady a steady rate and not trying to say hey we're near the end of the year we're going to sell more tags. it would be $13,780. So, we're off um we'd be off by about $1,700 uh sorry, $1,800 um from last year's. Um my guess is we'll be it'll be closer than that because people buy more tags as we get to the end of the year.

want to make sure that whoever gets the contract is enforcing this tag system that we and and Karen was involved in it. We worked on this a long time. I' I'd actually like to note something on here too. In uh if you look at 2012, revenues from tag sales were was uh considerably lower than it is now. and the curbside pickup was considerably higher. And that was because we had talked with um Pine Tree about cracking, making sure that they adhered to it because it had gotten a little lax around that time. Um some of the rules

stuck a tag on their can and that same tag. You can actually see uh at 2013 there was a big jump and I and we I think that was largely due to um Pine Tree cracking down and and making sure that they were following the the rules in place.

Just a concern citizen. Yeah. And and we we understand over here. Um any other questions for Pine Tree from anyone? Would you do you want to speak to anything more from what was said from Pine Tree at all? Um I I'll just make one comment that uh talking about the recycling zero sort versus the actual recycling. We're prepared to to do whatever is best for Durham and that's also going to save Durham and uh ultimately be profitable

for all of us and football. Um, I guess there's a benefit of me being the truck every day. Um, there are some towns going to single sort, but the majority of the towns that I service can't stand single sort because it cost them more money. Um, they make more money selling their um, cardboard, their number two plastic and all that. I'm at the facilities all the time talking to them how the what the market's like. Um

and they're telling me all the time because I like to know because I can engage and what I am helping them out with what I'm making them. So from what I'm seeing um Bridton is the only um town out of let's say 14 that I currently service that actually um participates in signal store. So there still is value and they're a recycling business and the prices are going up. Um, one thing I actually based on something they said I'm going to request and see if we can get is um, if you can get us a list of allowable recyclables. Um,

because we are we already know what what the allowables are for them so that we can do a a comparison. um if we could get a list of the allowable recyclables um and if there's a difference between um I highly doubt we're going to go back to to uh sorting them, but uh if there's a difference in what's allowed between single sort and uh sorted uh what that difference is too, but um I I I very highly doubt we'd go back.

Yeah. And I will state on that. I mean, I'm not requesting that you can have your all your residents have multiple buckets outside their own house. All of a lot of the towns that we have right now have one bag of recycles. And our drivers um take that and they'll put it into the appropriate um it's quick. And so we've been trained to do that whatever is the most convenient. I'm not looking to come in here and change the way. I don't reinvent the wheel. It's working. I'll keep on it. I'm just seeing from what my experience is being in the trucks, seeing what works for a lot of the young towns um and what doesn't.

I just I wanted to add one thing because as I mentioned, my parents live in Oxford, so I wasn't quite familiar with Ty Waste Management. Um, but it's rather interesting because I know that you had mentioned that your material would go to Mechanic Falls and you have a facility in uh Norway and Paris that's run by Oxford County and they're disbanding completely next year and the towns Livermore, Greenwood, Woodstock, Bethl, Hanover, Nury and I can go on they've all switched to zero sort and that's the reason why that facility is disbanding next year and will no longer be available. Um, so I was kind of curious as to why the material didn't go back to Norway, but now I understand. So, um, but the fact of the matter is any town that is interested in looking at a single stream program, nine out of 10 times they they go on board and they love it. They absolutely love it. So,

Okay. Thank you. all for coming in tonight. And do you look like you had another question, Terry? No. Okay. You sure? Not yet. But thank you very much for coming in. Thank you. This is going to be a process for us. Uh I'm sure,

but uh we'll keep you informed as as to decisions and so on and what's going to be on the warrant and and so on. And feel free to reach out to us if you have any more questions. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much.

Thank you very much. company I think from Auburn used to get involved in they not used to participate this year. These were the only two and actually three years ago we only had one. Um but no no we did not get any from the in front. I I do know like about maybe nine years ago they put in a bid and and so on, but I haven't seen anything from them in the last six years.

Yeah. Anything else from the budget committee? one one question and I don't understand the legalities of how the bid process works but you know what you just said you know the fact that I wonder if uh perhaps Pineree wasn't as sharp with their pencil as maybe they would have been you know you knowing last time they were the only bid you if there was a similar assumption this time is there an opportunity for like a second round or how how does that it's completely unfair to the people who have bid when you to do I know the prices. Anybody can beat them,

right? You know, and that's why I was kind of drilling them under 4,000 every year. I mean, it's it's not going to stop. It's gone up every year since it's not going to stop. Our taxpayers have been paying more and more money throughout the draft.

But you you didn't go through the last one, right? We're already in just in time for the for the last threeear proposal. That was uh and that was surprising. Our last one, it actually stepped back on on year one and then started increasing again after that. But it wasn't that was unusual. Just just think of it. We're paying over $200,000 now by trash. I mean, that's quite a chunk of change.

That's a lot. And that was why we had the companies in tonight was because the the difference between the two bids was so large that it really did raise some questions as to, you know, was this a viable? No, I think I think that's a good conversation. I think again clearly the difference between the two companies and the risk you would take um having this first year or so fall flat in his face.

I mean that's that's that's a I mean that's the biggest question for me. What the it's we're going it's a high risk. Um and um that's where if if I if I didn't see that high risk, if he already had some of this, if he was doing one other town, something like that, it would make the decision much much easier. But

I ain't going to fault the guy if he hasn't I mean, I ain't going to put him down when he hasn't even I ain't going to say he's going to fail and he hasn't even started, you know. Who knows if he ain't going to do that to him either, you know?

And if he fails, it's like like we said, you know, that's breach of contract. If he doesn't if he doesn't meet the terms of the contract, that's breach of contract right there. So there's our out. Yeah. You just have to be you have to be careful if you and this isn't that I've making a decision either way. Just

because we went through this with a whole lot smaller contract earlier this year and the guy didn't fulfill his contract even though he said he read it and he signed it and we had to go in another direction. And the same thing could happen here. You got you just have to be careful. If you if you hire a different contract than what you've had for so many years and it doesn't pan out and you got to go back to somebody else, that price can go up a whole lot more than what it looks like here now cuz now they know they got you type of thing. So, you have to kind of weigh that out, too. I mean,

I don't want to go with the most expensive. I don't want to go with the cheapest. I I try to look at it as what am I getting for my dollar and is this the best for the town? We don't need to go backwards at all. So there's going to be

and I was happy with the things he said. I'm just trying to weigh everything else out. There'll be discussion on the floor, I'm sure. Well, you know, I think he's a hardworking guy trying to to start. Absolutely. Absolutely.

Hey, 10 years he wants to be their competitor. So there's only one way to do it. Do you have something, Kevin? No, I'm good. I'll wait for the discussion. That's right. So to be honest, I I would value any of I mean, we've got to make a decision what we're going to present to you in February. I'd value any of your inputs ahead of time too on this because this isn't going to be an easy I don't think this is going to be an easy decision. Um,

good. The only thing I was going to say is that you know I understand you know the that there is a uh, you know, 20,000ish difference and you know if you look at 1650 households in town it's it's it's an extra 12 bucks per household per year um to do. So when you start to break it down, it's not it's not a huge impact to a typical household. I understand that, you know, yeah, dollars add up to more dollars. It all adds up,

but we uh you just I I worry about like like Mike said, there are very few like next to roads, trash is probably the most visible public service that we offer. And um I would really hate to risk going backwards on that. Oh, there's fire and

I hope they're not so visible. Unless there's flames coming out of my house, I don't want them visible. Yeah, for for me, one of the big things was that was that weekend that we that's a that's huge. And that's a lot of trucks down there. And that's,

you know, that's like I said, I don't know where some of these people get the stuff, but the same people get the same amount of stuff every year somehow. So, but I did have to I mean I had to give that guy credit that he'd already met with vendors and already had Oh, yeah.

people queued up to to cover that. He didn't just go into it blind and figure he'd sort it out when he got there. No, that was a good presentation. What I was wishing that there was somebody else that you had actually three

it would have been nice but someone more experienced the waste management or tornado Terry. Yeah. You you you you said that or somebody said that you couldn't go back and ask Pine Tree to sharpen their pencil. Uh you know uh

but it doesn't mean you have to accept the bids either. No, we can I mean we we could throw everything out and start over, but we really don't have the time to uh we're we're running out of time because we have to have something ready by April. Really? Um

have something ready for the budget committee. Yeah. So, so we want you want us to tell the budget committee we turn down almost $20,000 a year savings. Is that what you want me to tell you guys and you guys show up? Well, the the other thing

that's why we invited you to this meeting and I'm going to throw this out there is I question the automatic two or 4% increase uh and and it was mentioned here tonight that price of fuel and oil and whatever. No, the price of fuel has dropped.

Yeah. And it's dropped hard. I mean, it's not dropped 10 cents. It's what, a dollar, dollar and a half cheaper per gallon than it was when the last contract came out. And and that's it is it's not that they're thinking about what are we going to have to worry about. He's just saying it's a flat 2% every year.

That's what I was trying to get him. I was trying to get him on that. And we all know the fuel has gone down, but his he keeps on giving us 2%. Yeah. He jumped right out. You know what I mean? He had no saying we're going to do easy on you guys. And if you take a look at this contract, uh, and if it's going to continue to rise at the rate of 2% or 3% a year, okay, at some point it's going to be unattainable,

right? Look, 10 years down the road, right? That's what I'm looking at for my taxpayers, for me sitting here. I mean, no, I mean, so I'm just throwing that out there. And I I don't want to be in your position, but Well, you you're not going to be in our position, but you're still going to be uh making a recommendation.

In our position, right? One of um one of the Pine Tree folks asked about something that I and I don't know if if he provid Mr. Tyson provided the information or you could add it to your follow-ups with him is they raised some issues with regard to um you know once you get to a certain size truck the licensing changes for the drivers and then some environmental concerns like control of I I don't I can't remember the term from the trash like how he controls that.

We did actually ask him about the environmental stuff and he he he actually replied to that. Um, but they were talking about him also using stake body trucks and I think he my recollection was that he made it clear that they were using dump bodies which would be

if they're full dump bodies and that would be oozing out the sides. Well, but there I mean for the tra for trash he's going to be using the compactor. For for um the recycling he's going to be using the dump bodies. And the problem with that is if he doesn't cover it, they're open tops and you're gonna have cardboard and papers and stuff flying out.

But he said he would cover it. Yeah. I mean, but do you I'm wondering how that works, but that's up to him to that's I mean, Pine Tree was trying to trying to shine their penny by saying about drug testing, which is their company is state. They have to do it. A smaller company don't have to do truck testing on the class B and A drivers. They don't have to if they don't want to. That's up to them.

Say he does. If they have a certain license, you have to be drug tested. No, you don't. We don't I thought you did CDL is automatic. You have to be tested. Yeah. You got to have a doctor certificate. They won't renew your license.

No, they don't. That's only That's right. That's only in state, not in state. That's right. All right. tonight? I'm sure we're going to beat it some more. Oh, we're going to pound on this. All right. Thank action item B now. Yeah.

Yeah. We wanted to give you a preview. You didn't let us down. Fire chief or what? Um, he does have a report. You guys have something. Soon as you're done with the conversation, of course. Thank you, ma'am. Didn't stay for the rest of the meeting. I'm shocked. Uh so next up act on uh website request for proposal. Um we did we we had quite a number of proposals. Do you remember how many?

12 or 13. 12 or 13 proposals ranging anywhere from about 6,000 to 48,000. Um and Shannon um has taken them and started going over them, looking at them and is going to uh take have the telecommunications committee look at them and come back um in a couple weeks or or four weeks whenever they can with some recommendations on that. Um, there are actually some that look that like they might be decent, but we, you know, the 48, not really, but all right. Uh, C, act on public works trailer. Uh, we did, uh, here the road road commissioner says we can do the electrics. So, um, we have the bid here.

He already did. He may have. I don't know. Yeah, that's that's what I thought he said. And that was the only bid that we received. Went through the whole process. All I got to do is just Yeah. So it's it yeah it's it's a formatable.

Yeah. So the bid we the only bid we got was for $252 and uh from uh Larabe Construction. Um I am open for a motion. Make a motion we accept the bid the 200 what is it 50? $252. $252 from Larab Construction. Second. Uh any discussion? All in favor?

Motion carries. 252. Yeah. Yeah. Cuz if somebody bids 250, you do two over. That's right. Okay. All right. Credit card discussion. Yeah. So, the last time I came to you with this, we were all excited about going to get the Capital One credit card until I figured out through uh another manager and also through going online that not only if I get the Capital One credit card for the town, um do I have to put my name in my credit credit rating in there,

which may or may not help. I don't know, but I'm also liable for any charges that occur. All in favor? ALL IN FAVOR? for governmental entities um where that is not true and so I would like permission to go through and bank and get credit card

and and actually looking at the uh reward it looks like the rewards are very similar uh about one and a half%. I move that we authorize the town administrator to apply for a credit card through for the town's use through Andersagan Bank.

Second. Any discussion? All in favor? Motion carries. Uh waiver of foreclosure on the uh Emerson tire dump. What's that about? I didn't give you guys a copy of it, but every year um we every year we lean um the Emerson tire dump. Um they're years and years behind on their taxes. Um but we don't want to own it because of the liability involved. So every year we have to wave the foreclosure. And so that's what we're looking for. We're looking for you guys to to vote to wave the foreclosure on the tire dump.

So moved. Second. Any discussion? Anybody want to own it? All in favor? No. Who seconded it? What happens as far as it ever getting cleaned up? I mean, we keep waving the foreclosure, but it just tires anymore. There's there's no tires there anymore. It's been cleaned up. Um the uh EPA did that. No, D.

Yeah, one of those. That'd be a good question. House Representative, but and they uh there's a two I believe there's a $2 million lean on that property by the organization that cleaned it up, right? And there has been a some interest by a gentleman who wanted to purchase the property for use with ATVs and hunting and stuff like that. And um we've been working at trying to encourage this. Um but a lot of it remains to be seen. and and if he ever really became interested, he would probably come before the board and ask us to to wave some of those.

But we don't we don't ever want to be in a chain of ownership of this property. Absolutely. I just was curious as to the state was cleaning it up. They carved they they said it was carved in blood, the contract, but we never saw the blood. That's right.

So, okay. So, so it's been moved and seconded to uh wave the foreclosure on the Emerson tire dump. All in favor? Motion carries. uh email uh regarding the county budget seat with that in here. Yeah, it is. Yeah, it's somewhere. Yeah.

Okay. And basically um because the position that was vacated was from the uh the person was from the town of Durham. The town of Durham has the opportunity to appoint somebody to fill that. I appoint Kevin But um so actually Mark has been kind of doing some leg work around seeing if he can find anybody that would be um willing to

any bites. Uh not yet, but uh I talked with Ellie Esping and she said call Paul Chase and and run this by him. He may have someone in mind. So I'll try that before we go any really wants to step up. The the budget season this year is basically done. Tomorrow is the uh public hearing and the basically the last meeting of the budget committee for this year. Um so uh

it's a good time to get in. It's a good time to get in. Really is. There's no there's no probably really no real rush at this point. However, I would like to be able to name somebody or kick it back so that the um other communities have the ability to name someone. Um, so just want to keep on this and and not forget about it until next year cuz our communities really need somebody to represent them.

I'll try to get a hold of him tomorrow if I can or some before the end of the week and let you know what I find out. All right. G notice of return for RSU5 vote. Uh, well, yeah, there's a a vote coming up uh in January regarding the track and field and what you guys need to sign is something. Do we don't do we actually have to vote on it or do we just have to sign it?

I think you just need to sign it. What am I signing before I sign it? Huh? What am I signing for I sign it? Uh it's a you have counter signed by the board. It's it's the posting it's the posting of the notice of return. So basically you're posting

the election not I'm signing for what? It's basically the election notice. Yes, the election notice right. Does it include the question as to the bond issues for the the lights and and using the savings for the building and repurposing the money for the fields and borrowing additional money. It's all in here.

It's very very wordy. I'm just asking before I give my signature and something. Yeah. It's curious. Yeah. We're not It's purely formal. We're not volunteer to pay for the field. Right. Right. Right. Or in favor of it at all.

No. Well, you this isn't the vote yet. Okay. Okay. This This is board isn't voting. I mean, this is to set up the vote for for the town to vote. Yes. Just wondering. All right. I know. I've been watching the the meetings. Um, and I know there's been a lot of back and forth about how the questions were going to be phrased, so I didn't know if it had actually been

finalized. That is that the deal? Um, no, we're not tableling it. We're going to sign it. We don't we don't need to vote on it. It's it's just a signature. Uh, departments and committees, the code enforcement officer has been excused this evening. Chief

report. I do some now masonary the catch basin at the station. We completed the catch bas at the station. Otherwise in the I don't have the cover there. Um but that that piece of it done. I'm assuming probably some Phil's got to go back in around it. I got to get a hold of cooker and see if they're going to need fill around it or or not. I know they came out and they set the the level and the height for it. So, it's and they talked about when I get a hold of them the last time around be they talked about coming out the tail end of this week and first part of next week to actually start the paging piece of it. Um the striping quote that I brought before you, we went to call and coordinate Huh?

Uh, well, what we got back for feedback was that it was a two-part deal that they didn't plan on doing cold weather even though we told them that there was going to be paving. So, um, I don't know where it's going to end up. It right now I'm not ready to change it. It it be honest with you at this point. I'm not sure we can get it before cold weather sets in or not. And we might be better off to just say no, it's going to get too cold. We wait until next year to put the lines on and stuff.

I don't know where it's going to go. They're showing up tomorrow morning to do this parking lot and mine. Good. So, tomorrow's warm. So, I don't know. They can't do mine, though. I don't know if that'll affect whether they do yours or not. Telling you they're doing this one.

Is that going to affect the price? All right. Well, actually, one of what I'm sure their price, the price for your parking lot, I'm sure offset the cost of my parking lot and this price quote. So, it was probably virtually back up to the same thing again.

Calvin, you dug around that. You something you're going to be able to back fill around? I was planning on back filling it tomorrow actually with the compactor and the grade for you. Just waiting for that cover. I don't know what he's got over that. I don't know what he's covering that with.

Okay. Some kind of a frame that we can take down now. It must be cured by now, I would think. Mhm. So, we just take that off and I come back fill that with gravel and compact it. I can contact it with inch and a half gravel.

Not sure what you're referring to is when I got the frame. What do you What do you put on the top of that? You know, over under that tarp under the top. Yeah. What's he got on there? He's got a metal ring on the top of the the cover where it was. He's all set cuz he's just going to do a gravel.

He's going to go gravel under all that. Must be some wood framing. What do you call it? The form forms. Yeah. There must be some form of some sort in there that's holding that together. They just put plastic over it. Looks square. Looks looks rectangular.

Yeah. He actually used bricks. It uh used bricks to form the pieces that he needed and stuff. So it there was no form there that I know of. But work on it tomorrow. I'll uncover it tomorrow. We'll back to Okay. Thank you. There you go. Well, back to that price of price because we when we went back forth, we got the better you had the better price. But didn't that include what I'm asking, I guess, is if he's only going if he's going to have to make out two trips, one here and then maybe in the spring there, is that going to affect this price? He was probably thinking

may not really We called tried to schedule it and he said, "Well, no. That was a two-piece. We did them both at the same time and it wasn't for cold weather even though we told him about the paving. If Calvin has replaced our piece by doing his parking lot then they're probably back at virtually the same price. So um it may impact me in the future but I'm sure that's why

you got doing yours change as long as they're doing this one for 350. Right. Is that that was my understanding he didn't mention anything about the change price. He wanted to just have him write you up something before Well close. Yeah,

Kelvin Laames is doing yours. I assume I just figured it was a unit price, but everybody's charging you per foot, right? That's what you got. Same person, right? I would just extend that. Yeah. Okay. I would imagine the same price per foot.

Okay. Yeah. But yours would be a lot less than either mine or cheap though because you only have six spot, right? Yeah. Yeah. So, they didn't mention to me. Is it cuz you're not getting it done this year? Is that what's going to talk to you about it? Okay.

There's no pavement. You guys have any pavement yet? Okay. No, not yet. But you were planning I thought it was scheduled like November 12th or something like that, but now they're saying it would be cold weather applications.

Sorry. I I was out of room for a second. I understand what you're saying. We're good. I'm good. Yeah, I'm I'm good now. I just I'll get it. Yeah. But I'm not sure if it'll be that 650 price, nor am I sure it will be him. Nor am I sure we're gonna have time after the paving to get it

right. Well, if it if it ain't done this year, then obviously the time that it would be different probably. If I can get them, I know you guys approved it for 650. So, if I can get them for 650 and it'll work for this year, I'm going to make it happen.

Golden do that then wait till spring. Yeah. Well, I if it Yeah, that's fine. Yeah. All right. Um, Curtis Demick has been uh selected to serve as the assistant chief and the assistant EMA director at uh you guys typically appoint the deputies as well as the assistant EMA director. I guess I'd ask that you guys also consider appointing him to the position.

We don't have appointment papers right now. Appointment papers, but I can make for next meeting. Yeah. Yep. Uh the recruitment on 1024 actually cost a little bit of money to get the information out there, but it worked better than the other two recruitments that are that I've held because the other two recruitments, like I said, they we had maybe one or two people show up for the recruitment part of it or and none of them follow through with applications. At this particular event, we had six people the night of the event and then we had three people before and after. And out of those nine, we ended up with four applications, which actually is what it says here. But we actually had I had one more come back today and give me their application. So, we got five applications out of it. They're progressing. The first four are progressing to the interview process, the process. So, um we've already done

the background stuff and everything and it's good to go there. So, we could have four or five. None of them already have licenses or certifications, but we'll work on that. Hey, we'll start. We'll work on that. Uh meeting room floor project that started last Friday. He's got the hole all cut there at uh put the rebar in today. Planning on pouring on either tomorrow or Thursday.

So, we should have that poured. And then it's going to set until probably the end of November, first part of December before we put the tiles on it. Before I actually pause tomorrow, I want to try to get in there and make sure that drain cuz that drain was never really plugged. That floor drain that I talked about could be the culprit. It was never really plugged. The floor drain was pulled off there. It was capped off with concrete and then left like that. So, I don't know. That might have been our issue all this time. So, see if I can't get some paper down there and get it partially plugged and then when he does his pour, he'll get another couple of feet of concrete into it and stuff. So, hopefully that'll stop that. Um,

the van over at the station that been fixed. We went to look at the other two at the um Rabbit Road. I got to go put the raise that dry hydrant up. I'll probably go raise that dry hydrant up before the week's over. get that raised up. There we go. It uh the drought PSA, they got a bunch of calls on on that. Um I would think people's wells are probably starting to come back around now, but uh we had actually more people than were reporting it in the first place. Several people that actually drilled wells are putting the wells in. So, but if there are more people out there, there is it's not free money. it's an opportunity for low interest or no interest loans to make it actually happen. So, they just don't want that publicized. So, they need to call to get the information or they can go to the state hotline if they don't really want to call. And

and we just uh I had a letter in my box actually two letters, one to farm farm owners I think and one to homeowners from the state re regarding that if you uh if you Yeah. to just take it out and look at it. Maybe information that can be posted or something. I don't know.

Yeah, they they didn't want because they're going to lose the record. Initially, when it came out from EMA, the the PSA that I I did the cut and paste from in the first place came from um EMA and it actually included a bunch of them like the Small Business Administration, Department of Agricultural Rural Development. I think actually there was a a main housing authority and the contact information form. I printed it and we've got it in the offices over there. I can get it to you if you guys are going to handle get it. But um I still kind of need them to call so that I can make sure we I'm sending the reports up to EMA.

Y okay. The firetruck rides, those were last Friday. Those went over pretty good. Uh Lance Lemieux from R services was there last Friday, too. Last Friday was a busy day. But uh um yeah, even though they were there working on the floor, they still wanted to come in and work on the floor. I was kind of surprised at that when I told them I was going to have an insurance inspector there, but they still came in, worked on the floor, and he went through the station. as far as I know. We'll see when the report comes out, but I'm assuming the only thing he's going to write us up on is he wants now they want uh on our crossways on the hose beds. They want netting or solid covers on the end of them. Don't know about in the southern part of state, a couple of departments have had hoses come off their bed.

So, yeah. Anyways, we'll see when the report comes. Maybe if we get to right tech screw them on, they won't come off with that. You tech screw them on, they won't come off. Yeah, if they're loaded correctly, they won't come off either.

It uh Oh, let's see. The pump repairs, those went in last week. Have the pump repairs taken care of that. So, that piece of it done. Uh truck 24, they've been out. That's not on the list, but truck 24, they've been out. they um went over that and it's in the the wiring that goes up through the channel of the ladder was not providing voltage all the way to the tip. Um so there's a couple of breaks in there. They've got the wiring harness on order, but it has to come from Smeal and it's specific to that ladder. So once I get it in, I'll get that fixed. Um the truck 24 is down right now.

What's that? Truck 24 is down right now. Nope. Nope. It's up and running. The only thing it impacts right now is the gun. The gun. Yep. Yeah. If the if it already busted two and started to crack them, it could impact more down the road. But right now, it's just over the the tip, the nozzle on it. So, it's still in service. In fact, we sent it to a training on the 27th. Yeah. Yeah. 27. I meant the

weekend before that. 22nd and 23rd maybe. We sent it to a training for sure. Um, yeah. And the boards on the ramping stairs to the modulars, those were those were baking in the sun. So, had them resecured and went over and put waterproofing on them and stuff. It was starting to get pretty hazardous. Never mind the pain when you tried to shovel. It was starting to get pretty hazardous.

That's about all I had. Okay. Thank you. Did you I said thank you. Okay. Uh, we gota have previews next meeting now. Okay. I had them for tonight, but that's all right. Oh. Oh, you have them for tonight. Okay. I wasn't You guys want to do them tonight? I have them.

We We That's what we had originally planned on. So, I think we'll go ahead and do that and get them all get those all out of the ways. But, um, for the board, we will do department head reviews at our next meeting, right? Yeah.

Okay. Thank you. Y, Commissioner the road paint and the lady that emailed? Yeah, the the complaint. Yes. Okay. So, that's in there. Yes. You guys read that? Yeah. I I hear about this frequently. So, just thought that that's what this GP cog addresses the paint on the road. I know we discussed it last meeting. I said I'd get back to you with some prices. So, those are the GPCO uh prices for the 2016 year. I did contact this individual. He has said they'll be back in Maine here probably in a couple of weeks and he could do it. I said, "Do you want to know these prices for GP COG?" He said, "Certainly." So, we would uh

I you know, I haven't checked to see if there's anything cheaper, but they were the I mean, they were the Well, if you read the front page, it talks about how they came to this bidder, how they chose the bidder. I mean, but I don't it could have been the only better. I don't know.

So, is it is there some state guideline as to what I mean? Obviously, they give the price for all different types of road striping. Do is there are there state guidelines as to what we would be required to put on that road?

I don't know. I'd have to check. I'd have to check that. I would assume many of these would be acceptable. So, so I'm just looking at the double yellow. If I'm reading this right, it's approximately 7.4 cents per linear lineal feet, which in my quick calculations would be roughly $400 a mile.

Yeah. Well, uh, so just so you know, uh, if we're talking about doing runaround pond, rabbit, and Quaker meeting house to get us from Yeah. from from Panel to 125, that is um 16,2 and 75. If you had those feet together, there's your feet. But

but no, I was just trying to c figure out how much per mile roughly about swamp road, too. I know a lot of people complain about that. That's what the That's actually what the complaint was. I thought it was quick meeting how she was calling about, but

Oh, uh cuz she she called it she called River Road and then to 136. But she referenced all the new pavement though in in the letter, but we just did swamp road not that long, right? Or the year before. Yeah. So, yeah. That's what I mean. And then just if you picked this road, why didn't you pick this road? How do you come to the

Yeah, I was just trying to kind of get an idea if if I if if it's seven seven cents a mile. Yeah. I mean, seven cents a foot, I think it's about $400 a mile. Yeah. So, you'd be looking at uh one, two, three. Well, you're looking at uh

um 3.89 to get you from Pel to Route 136. Another two to get you to probably another 16,000. Another three almost to get you to Okay. And then Swamp and Soer Road would probably be another three roughly. Mhm. be repainted?

Well, can you maybe you can skip Maybe you could do every other year. Uh I don't know. You're probably going long in that. I'm sure that we I'm sure that we don't do you're talking close to 10 miles and so you're talking 4,000 anyway on those roads and there might be some other ones in the future that we might want to think about. Those would probably be the

Stack Pole Auburn Pound Avis maybe. But um so the roads that go from one town to another I think. Yeah. okay. So basically you'd be putting in a budget every year and you know six to8 $6,000 let's say a year. Yeah. So and the thing is I I spoke to him about um because I noticed that some towns had deadlines and I'm assuming those deadlines are probably to do due to the temperature. Um thinking that one town picked July 1st and the other one it could have been they could have been for budget purposes though and the other one picked September 1st be the other three. So, I'm not But I talked to them about that and they said that it was not a problem. They paint all the time in cold weather. They can paint down to 30. They can paint right down to 30° and

I'm just I'd have to check and see if that affects the quality. The other thing is this is a binder coat. So, Right. You You don't really I mean, we're going to be putting pavement over it next year. So, should we wait until

I Yeah, I think we can wait. Yeah. Okay. Put it in for next year. Those temporary markings wouldn't last through plowing, would they? They just stripped right out. They just are sticky. They just stick on. Okay. So, they're not even stapled. No.

Pretty rugged. Sticky. Pretty rugged glue. But um so, um unless you wanted to do a very inexpensive U. I'll have snowbankers pretty soon. That'll keep. Yeah, that'll follow the snow bank. So, just so you know, that's what it's going to cost if you put that in next year's budget for planning purposes.

Uh, if you noticed in front of the church on a pond after that storm that kind of all washed out that next driveway, we put a swale in the end of our driveway. Before we did this, every storm we'd have to go down. Well, we didn't go down, but we looked and it was just deposits of debris all going right down in her her basement. So, the way I designed it was I put a sway on the end of her driveway so the water would shoot over the top of the driveway and then down a ditch, but we didn't have it armored well enough. There's a lot more water coming there than I I thought. So, we fixed it. We put the erosion control in, the juke matting, the jack dams, and didn't have any problems this last. So, I think that's going to work. Um, we noticed another problem upon uh upon Barry Baldwin's driveway coming out of there. That whole thing let go and washed out there. So, we had to uh ditch that, check in at erosion control. And

so, no problems. The last storm I think all we put a nice rip wrap swale in there. So, I think that's going to work. That worked well. We certainly found any uh weak points with that 6 in of rain. We knew we now know where they were going to develop. What happened on Barry's driveways everything and what happened in almost all of them was uh water comes down their driveway and then dumps all in one spot. So Barry Baldwin's driveway was you know 800 ft,000 ft long and all that water just coming down then dumping out. So we can't go up on their property and fix it. So we armored our part so that won't shouldn't be a problem. Um the four-wheel drive road there on the right. There was some concern by the land owners there that water would come down and run down their road. That road on the right just up past Rangdale that goes right

Oh yeah. Big I put a 4% swale in there down and up and the water didn't even think about going down that driveway. Just comes right down the swale. No erosion. Everything's worked out perfect. Uh, we put up a stop school bus stop ahead sign on the runaround pond at the bottom of that hill by Barry Baldwin's um the school department paid for it to send them that bill right just going to forward the bill straight to $22. They told me to send them the bill. So we ordered it but it sent them the bill. So RSU um will pay for that.

Um going to pull the crew in Thursday, work on trucks and then later in the day decided we're going to do it tomorrow. We're going to start tomorrow. So um give them the fire station. There's a lot of odds and ends we got to get caught up on. So we're going to start closing those up. I don't see any more issues with ditching that's um really uh pressing. So I mean that all needs to get done, but I don't see anything right now that's holding water. That's we've pretty much drained everything. So, we finished painting the trim boards on the garage. Um, those are all painted

green. They all match. We put the new radio in the um new plow truck. So, that's all ready to go. Um, so I already talked about already talked about the wash out sonar around Pondro and Barry Baldwin. We got the stencils for the paint. stop ahead um paint and um we've got paint, we've got stencils. I just have to figure out how we're going to apply it. I mean, normally we spray it, but I don't have a sprayer and so I'm a uh most people don't want to rent don't want to lend out their sprayers because if you all it takes is a little there's just something people don't like to lend out. So, um

if it ain't clean properly when you're done, it's it's junk. If you don't lend out chainsaws or paint sprays and the thing is is it is it a five gallon bucket? Well, I have five gallon buckets of paint, but I'm afraid if I roll it on, I'm afraid that it will seep under the

Yeah, it might a little bit. And then the lines when you're taking them off won't be How thick's a stencil? They're 8 ft long. So, they you roll them up from here to the wall and there just like you don't realize how big those are until you thick standing on one.

Well, they're thicker than what we use. We usually roll them, but um I don't know. Maybe you could just cut around the edge with a brush and roll the in. These came in a roll. Yeah, I understand. If it bleeds out a little bit, it bleeds out a little bit. You're going to cover it up next year anyways. I just might get them to stop so they don't cruise through there.

Whatever. I might have to get a sprayer and spray. I'm going to go see if I can go talk to Port and see what they've got. Spin has one. Yeah, they must have one, too. You guys must do a lot of spraying over there. This has one.

Yeah, we had one right at Crim. We had one, but we could use you could use it to push behind or you could take the handle off and use the sprayer. That's what we use. Um so we're planning on getting that done this week one way or the other while it's warm probably might be our last opportunity. Um so do uh is uh contacted us in and they

want to put up a four-way stop with um blinking flashing lights. I checked well I guess because of the number of accidents. Yeah, I know. It's triggered um crossing that route nine. I was talking to one of the selectmen. He said he sits there every morning waiting for his ride to go to Bath Island. He said every morning he watches cows go right through that lake. Come come come off Elmwood and right across Route 9. Okay. So

where is that? Where is it? Down the center center. Right below Bradbury. Yeah. Right in the middle of town about right right there. Right. Route 9 straight through and Elmwood's supposed to stop at either side. They figured they didn't add enough uh four-way stops when they added the one in North Yarmouth. So they

Well, they they've approached us that they want to do it. They said they'll pay for everything except for the light bill, which is like 20 bucks a month, but they're paying the light bill now for the blinking light. So, I'm not quite sure why.

So, yeah, the light billing light there. They've already got a meter there. They're already paying the bill. So, what's the difference whether they pay? So, that came up from me. That's that's in pound anyway. We'll be discussing that.

Yes, it But just so you know, um, there will be a four-way stop. If it's if it's east west, east west traffic, um, appears to be a problem on Route 9. So, if it's a problem there, it'll be a problem at Rabbit Runaround and

Right. Aren't they doing an investigation or or recommendations or something at the Route Nine and and run around and rabbit? That's done. They finished. Okay. It was on the news. Did they they um I didn't know if they had any recommendations about traffic control at that intersection.

I had I had received an email to from somebody from GP COG who is um investigating dangerous intersections. Um and there were two that they were looking at. Well, we got that email and panel for the intersection of Elwood and then immediately right after that they just cut that all out and DOT came right in and said we just we we just want to do it. They stopped the investigation on it and just said point blank with a number of accidents. We just want to do it. But um so this guy was he looking for input from us. That's what

Yeah, he was looking for input from us and I had sent that to you I think and I sent it to Chief too. I think I've already Oh, that's right. Yeah, that's right. Uh asked for input on what you consider I responded. Yeah, you did.

You did get Yeah, I did get your response. I got two of them. So I hope I didn't get them confused, but but anyway, uh um yeah. So, I don't really have any input as far as u I haven't been here long enough to know. He's he knows the number of accidents.

Was pretty detailed actually, but at this point, they haven't said that they're going to the the DOT hasn't said that they're going to step in and do anything at that intersection. Not yet. You put stop ahead signs on uh runaround pawn and rabbit. Did I see that you said that you put stop ahead signs or something?

No, we have the stencils to paint in the Okay, there are signs on. They may have been there before, but there are signs on Runaround Pond Road coming up coming up to it. A stop ahead sign. Oh, yeah. Those have always been there.

Yeah. Okay. But we just want to put something on the pavement so that you if you're not looking at the sign, you that should get your attention and a white line at a stop sign. So, you know that that should grab your attention.

Spikes that come up if you're traveling over. Well, they could put the sign with the blinking lights or something that say if there's somebody in the intersection, you know. I don't know. Blinking light. That's up to DOT. Yes, they road.

We really wouldn't have any input like like on 125 in Quaker meeting house. That's dot. I I actually wouldn't like that there because then people say, "Hey, the light's not blinking. I can blow it." Wow. Yeah. Yeah. So, I don't know. A lot of people stop at the blinking yellow light. Stop. They stop and wait for it to turn red and green. I don't

I just say it's not just at the intersection. That whole stretch of road is an extremely dangerous and dead not because of the road but because of people don't travel the speed limit on that road. They don't familiar with the road

and driver in tentiveness. So it's not just the intersections. I can I think in my email I pointed out at least four fatalities in the last six years that have happened not at the intersections on that stretch of road. Yeah. So it's

Yeah, but if somebody has to keep stopping at every intersection, it'll slowly intersection might help, but it's not going to resolve the problem with that road. Okay, so we just finished grading all the durm roads, gravel. Um I just got to go check

I didn't I didn't see Ross Road on your side. We check a couple, make sure they got done. um the Brown Road which I had discussed with you last time about thought we had to pay well Jeff had forwarded me a um article an article from uh 1995 in which

the three towns of Durham Palmel and Freeport had uh hired John man the historical societies had gone together and hired John man to determine the exact location of Pope's corner because they thought it might have been moved over the years uh Pope's Corner is and

so he did you 52-page report findings and he went out and set a monument and it says D and F on it. So Durham and Pelport and it is Grant Road used to come across 136 and come right across Brown Road. That piece of 136 wasn't the

the intersection. It was right at where you can see the old road bit if you look to the left where the Freeport sign is. So I went over to the stone the monument and uh it is u that is the stone he put in and uh that's why Freeport put their sign there and the 1951 letter from to

Mr. Tuttle in Freeport, chairman of the board at the time, came from the end came from the Kremlin County uh commissioner's office uh gave them the findings that the court prior court ruling or yeah court ruling was that uh

Durham was responsible from Pope's Coner to 2,78 ft and that panel was responsible from that point to from Pope to from there to somebody's wood lot, which I don't, it's really irrelevant to us. So, that 2,78 ft takes me right to the exact point where we stopped munching the pavement. By sheer coincidence, it was just exactly right there.

Can't be good, be lucky. And I looked over to the side and there was a big rock sitting there that looks like somebody probably put it there on purpose. It's out of place. So, I think someone set that rock. The problem is that the sign is 145 ft back. It says

welcome to Dur. No, it's the Durham Town sign. The standard white, not the welcome sign. That's Yeah. But uh and uh that the the question is confusing. It looks like you're coming into Durham, but you're not. It's the same thing all the way down Brown Road. If you're on the left, you're in Durham. If you're on the right, you're in.

So why that sign is there? And one of the selectmen in um panel has the same problem in front of his house over there on off uh off panel road. Um and he said somebody just went out and put those posts everywhere and they're in the wrong pl in the wrong spot. So that sign should either be removed because it's it's inaccurate. You're not entering Durham. You've been in Durham the whole road on the left. The court ruling was that Pamel owned two rods and Durham owned one rod of the road. So two rods go to Panel, one to Durham. The line goes right down the somewhat left one/3 side of the road. And

but they in the ruling they decided rather than try to make them take care of this part. And yeah, they they said, "Okay, you're going to have this length." They took two/3 I think what they did they just said 2/3 of the length will be funnel and one third of the length will be will be Durham and so that's how it was uh resolved

uh so now I know exactly where the point is and pel went out with me seen the point showed them the stone measured it so that's no longer an issue you at some point to discuss what to do with that signpost I think I think I'm just remove it because it really is deceiving.

And I don't know is there are there any uh state laws regarding those posts, the town town line posts? I because I was under the impression at one point that there was some sort of uh state laws uh regarding those and I don't know but I don't know.

Well, it certainly wouldn't apply there. Okay. Cuz when you get to Freeport where there's is definitely the line goes across the road that's free. But right when you have this, it's very confusing. 50/50. Yeah. Uh especially when you have the addressing. I I I do the addressing in Po and one side addresses don't match the ones on the other side. So there this guy's mad because he doesn't want to be 652 when the guy right across the street's mailbox is 358. And so oh it's quite a confusing. Uh, but one thing I did notice is that um a lot of uh happy taxpayers in Durham, but I didn't happen to think about the benefit to the Durham taxpayers of Beachwood Road and all those other people in Durham. You saw one in here today that was very happy and people are just ecstatic about getting there. I'm getting a lot of phone calls and people are just so not only did we get the 3.89 miles that we did here, we're getting uh another 1.29

29 miles of road that we just don't pay for, but our our taxpayers get the benefit of that road. That road. Yeah. Not not that next year we won't have to address the Yes. remaining piece, but uh so covers my next point. Still working on the D application that's due in January for the streaming. And so that's about all I've got

question. Sorry. I I just thought I'd let you guys think for a while. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Thank you. So, are we doing Yes, we're So, okay. We will be having three different sessions, one for each department head to do their reviews and

Okay. and others. Ruth's got nothing. She's I can see it. She's got nothing. What do you got? So, um, I mean, for your town administrator, any report? Oh. Oh, my report. I see there was one thing that I just needed to light on.

Yes. Well, I've been sick, so you're going to have to excuse me, but Shannon want me to wanted me to tell you guys um that she did call the state troopers because they're the ones covering us and they are going to stop by the election on the 8th every once in a while to make sure that everything's doing good. So, she is not going to be hiring or asking to hire um the Scottish sheriff. So, we're good with that. Um and Thursday is the last day for absentee voting. So if anybody wants to get here,

is that just getting your ballot or getting your ballot? Thursday at 6:30 when we close the office, that's the last day you can get a ballot for absentee ballot. Absentee voting. Okay. All right. Um I want to avoid the crowds. I know they're predicting a bit.

I mean, I from what I understand, we've had a very high. We had I think it was 820 requests so far and we've received I think it was 674 ballots back so far. We're we're good. We're organized. Just a quick reminder to the public, it is hunting season. So, if you're out walking in the middle of the morning, because I've seen a lot of people, there are a few out there that are walking. flashlights and got the right on. And I've seen probably a third of them that are out there with nothing but dark color clothes on. You can't see them. So, you don't want to get run over by mistake. Just think about that when you're out there in the deep dark in the morning.

And and don't wear white, gray, or brown, right? Try to wear something fluorescent and a flashlight's a good idea. I've seen a bunch of people have flashlights. Just kind of shine it. So, okay. Um, selectman's comments. upcoming meetings be held here Tuesday, November 15th, Tuesday, November 29th at 6:30 p.m. Uh, and um, so I'm going to

as far as reviews, I think I'm going to because of um, what I of some things I'm going to go I believe chief, you and then Calvin and we can then you can be excused because Okay. But we also have to do the real estate one.

Oh, okay. So, we'll do uh pulled in. Or I could I I could put it off till next week or next time. How about we put it off cuz we're running off really late. Yeah. Yep. That's fine with me. I'm good. Okay. So I move that we go into executive session pursuant to 1 MRSA 4056A personnel personnel matters discussion of fire department